#241
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
How about the obvious droughts in TX and Africa and lack of hurricane season for the Atlantic?
You don't need a graph for that do you?
You don't need a graph for that do you?
This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
#242
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss
Awww... Whatsa matter Big Windy? Don't you have the 'full info' already?Give me the full info. so I can put this into perspective.
Also, fleece the sheep. His baas are starting to get annoying now.
Knowing this, it makes sense why your posts are so full of shyte as you don't have a clue about what's going on.
#243
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
--How about the obvious droughts in TX and Africa and lack of hurricane season for the Atlantic?
You don't need a graph for that do you?
#244
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
No no no. Facts are facts bub. Cool oceans make for droughts and light weight storms.
Look up the causation for the drought in India and up into Russia.
When did in the Indian Ocean become la Ninaesque?
Look up the causation for the drought in India and up into Russia.
When did in the Indian Ocean become la Ninaesque?
#245
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Cool oceans aren't the only cause, first of all. And secondly, you can have cool oceans, with drought-stricken areas while the global average temperature is still rising.No no no. Facts are facts bub. Cool oceans make for droughts and light weight storms.
#246
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
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Sometimes patterns cross and blammo....a perfect storm of bull****.
Sometimes patterns cross and blammo....a perfect storm of bull****.
Quote:
1998-2002...wasn't that the last solar cycle peak as well?
Cold sea surface temperatures in the eastern tropical Pacific and warm sea
surface temperatures in the western tropical Pacific and Indian Ocean
worked
together to create an abnormal pattern in tropical rainfall,
according to a
January 31 NOAA press release. Climate scientists Martin
Hoerling and Arun
Kumar came to these conclusions after entering actual sea
surface temperatures
in climate simulation computer programs.
The scientists said, "What is suggested by the atmospheric modeling results
of 1998-2002 is an increased risk for severe and synchronized drying of the
mid-latitudes in the future, if these oceanic conditions continue to
occur."
#247
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Cool oceans aren't the only causes, first of all. And secondly, you can have an some cool oceans, with drought-stricken areas while the global average temperature is still rising.--
#249
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Atmospheric pressureWhat are the other reasons?
Climate change
You can use east Africa as a perfect example. While droughts exist in the area, in part due to less rainfall (which in and of itself is an effect of less condensation from oceans), the global mean temperatures for Kenya and Ethiopia have risen by --
#250
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
Atmosphere eh? What keeps our atmosphere in place?
Quote: Originally Posted by mentalfloss
What were temps in Kenya 10,000 years prior to that? Higher or lower?Atmospheric pressure
Climate change
You can use east Africa as a perfect example. While droughts exist in the area, in part due to less rainfall (which in and of itself is an effect of less condensation from oceans), the global mean temperatures for Kenya and Ethiopia have risen by --
#251
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
So you say...without any reasoning. Just because you say so isn't a good enough answer..Sure, 50/50 is a probability, just a piss poor one...
Quote:
It would be pointless...Maybe the author could incorporate a 95% margin of error as well, at least it would add a little more comic relief.
Quote: Originally Posted by petros
La Nina cools areas of the Pacific, but through teleconnections in the global climate produces impacts across the globe. Global cooling is not one of them...Comprehend?
#252
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
So why is the Atlantic and Indian cooling along with the Pacific? Coincidence?La Nina cools areas of the Pacific, but through teleconnections in the global climate produces impacts across the globe. Global cooling is not one of them...
#253
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
They aren't? There is no coincidence...So why is the Atlantic and Indian cooling along with the Pacific? Coincidence?
#254
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
Notice how the drought hot spots are all on the lee side of the cold spots?
#255
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by petros
That's called teleconnections...notice how the oceans aren't cooling like you claimed?Notice how the drought hot spots are all on the lee side of the cold spots?
#256
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Sure it is, my comment is based on a probabilistic statement. If I say the odds are 50-50 that you roll a 1, or a 2, or a 3 on a fair six sided die, and you roll a 5, the probabilistic statement wasn't wrong.So you say...without any reasoning. Just because you say so isn't a good enough answer..
You ought to brush-up on this, it will make more sense the more you comprehend.
#257
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Really? One month showed it all? How was your summer? Above or below average?That's called teleconnections...notice how the oceans aren't cooling like you claimed?
#258
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
So what were the odds then in Jun of 2008? You say it's crap, but that's all you have. That and your horendous track record with understanding math and stats.Sure it is, my comment is based on a probabilistic statement.
Quote: Originally Posted by petros
You said cooling. Let's look at the other months:Really? One month showed it all? How was your summer? Above or below average?
July
No coincidence there either...
How about June:
Hmm, not there either.
Maybe March up to May?
Nope....Some cold spots and hot spots, but no definitive cooling of the Atlantic or Indian oceans. And the cooling in the Pacific is not basin-wide...
My summer was not cold...it was filled with precipitation though.
#259
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011
WOW! I got it's warmest in August...who would have thunk?
When do we all drown from rising sea levels?
When do we all drown from rising sea levels?
#260
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 19th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
The odds were 50/50 according to the coin-toss science which you are foolishly defending.So what were the odds then in Jun of 2008? You say it's crap, but that's all you have. That and your horendous track record with understanding math and stats.
... And it is crap: Your use of one (or a few) shallow statistical tools to extrapolate across a massively complex, dynamic and forever changing 'system' is deserving of the utmost pathos from any and all that read your words.
#261
Re: This summer may see first ice-free North Pole
Sep 20th, 2011Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
Keep telling yourself that. The odds were 50/50 according to Mark Serreze, a polar researcher. A NASA ice rsarcher put it just under 50/50. Another researcher put it at about 1/4. The odds were 50/50 according to the coin-toss science which you are foolishly defending.
50/50 odds could have been wrong, but the fact that it didn't happen doesn't mean the odds were wrong.
I'm not actually defending the odds. If you understood some basics about probability besides a coin flip you might have grasped that.
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