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#811Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012
Your gauging climate with weather? That is a major **** up T.
Our cooling world
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#812Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012
I didn't slog through 28 pages of dim witted bs ,so this may have been mentioned,but I boubt it.The lobster season in NS was pretty much f..d,the bugs weren't as valuable because the shells were soft,and that was because the water,of the Atlantic Ocean was two degrees warmer than normal.Now I may not be a climatoligest,but wouldn't it have to be generally warmer to warm up AN Ocean !!??
#813
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
No...I'm saying that nobody needed to burn tires. I'm saying that denier predictions fail yet again.Your gauging climate with weather?
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#814Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Which climate-truther predictions have come true? Used to be cooling, then warming, then climate change and now it's climate disruption. Every time the prediction fails the goalposts are moved.No...I'm saying that nobody needed to burn tires. I'm saying that denier predictions fail yet again.
#815
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Walter
None of your conspiracy minded ilk's predictions have come true, that's the point. Conspiracy theories shouldn't be expected to make successful predictions...far too many assumptions. Which climate-truther predictions have come true?
As for scientists, well plenty of predictions have come true. The cooling stratosphere, the warming troposphere, warming of ocean waters, the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance, polar amplification of warming trends, to name a few. All predicted by the physics before the monitoring was in place to validate the predictions. Some of those predictions even go back to the 1800's Walt.
There are some projections that are failing. For instance the ocean level is rising faster than projected. Arctic sea ice is declining faster than projected.
Quote: Originally Posted by Walter
Maybe you can provide an example, you know like I did with your shifting goal posts from one cycle to the next?Every time the prediction fails the goalposts are moved.
#816
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012
All I know (locally) is that this has been a very warm winter (with a
few exceptions) and I've only had to plug my car in 8 nights so far,
with 5 of those being last week.
This follows last winter that absolutely sucked! It was very cold, with lots
of snow that followed lots of rain through the year that lead to flooding
through the spring into early summer.
few exceptions) and I've only had to plug my car in 8 nights so far,
with 5 of those being last week.
This follows last winter that absolutely sucked! It was very cold, with lots
of snow that followed lots of rain through the year that lead to flooding
through the spring into early summer.
#817
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Nothing wrong with burning tires. Good way to recycle them. I don't know if you can get a residential sized furnace that can do it but industrial ones do.No...I'm saying that nobody needed to burn tires. I'm saying that denier predictions fail yet again.
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#818Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012
Post #807
Yeah, burn more tires just to warm another another ice age. Like that'd help.
Genius.
Well, I hope this research that Walter found is accurate, but I have doubts. It said in Walter's link about what the University of East Anglia says that there's been no warming since '97. That contradicts the information from NOAA, GCDC, GISS, HadCRU, Berkeley, etc.
It sounds to me like UEA researchers need to get out of their offices and look at something besides their models.
Oh, and BTW, Walter and people of his ilk just pounced upon the info a couple years ago that UEA had been fudging data and analyses. Now Walter and ilk are all into believing UEA? lmao Credibility is about 0.
There's vastly more water on the planet than land and it's a pretty good educated guess that if the water has warmed quite a bit in the past 50 years or so, so has the land.
Yeah, burn more tires just to warm another another ice age. Like that'd help.
Genius.
Well, I hope this research that Walter found is accurate, but I have doubts. It said in Walter's link about what the University of East Anglia says that there's been no warming since '97. That contradicts the information from NOAA, GCDC, GISS, HadCRU, Berkeley, etc.
It sounds to me like UEA researchers need to get out of their offices and look at something besides their models.
Oh, and BTW, Walter and people of his ilk just pounced upon the info a couple years ago that UEA had been fudging data and analyses. Now Walter and ilk are all into believing UEA? lmao Credibility is about 0.
Quote: Originally Posted by relic
Pretty much. I didn't slog through 28 pages of dim witted bs ,so this may have been mentioned,but I boubt it.The lobster season in NS was pretty much f..d,the bugs weren't as valuable because the shells were soft,and that was because the water,of the Atlantic Ocean was two degrees warmer than normal.Now I may not be a climatoligest,but wouldn't it have to be generally warmer to warm up AN Ocean !!??
There's vastly more water on the planet than land and it's a pretty good educated guess that if the water has warmed quite a bit in the past 50 years or so, so has the land.
#819
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Are 'they' yet aware that if you keep driving ice-breakers through ice that the ice will eventually get thinner. Are they also aware that if you want the ice to get thicker you drive around on the top and compact the snow to get the air out and that will allow the frost to penetrate deeper. In any Canadian city in winter the 'lawn' might see 4ft of frost, the roads that get traffic and no snow-cover had 12 ft of frost.Sea ice at lowest volume ever recorded this past year in the Northern hemisphere.
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#820Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Walter
Nope. You just don't understand much about climate, so it's confusing to you. lolWhich climate-truther predictions have come true? Used to be cooling, then warming, then climate change and now it's climate disruption. Every time the prediction fails the goalposts are moved.
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
As is the Antarctic ice according to recent research.None of your conspiracy minded ilk's predictions have come true, that's the point. Conspiracy theories shouldn't be expected to make successful predictions...far too many assumptions.
As for scientists, well plenty of predictions have come true. The cooling stratosphere, the warming troposphere, warming of ocean waters, the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance, polar amplification of warming trends, to name a few. All predicted by the physics before the monitoring was in place to validate the predictions. Some of those predictions even go back to the 1800's Walt.
There are some projections that are failing. For instance the ocean level is rising faster than projected. Arctic sea ice is declining faster than projected.
Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
Well, things fluctuate from year to year and this year we had La Nina, too. What shows trends in climate is data over years, not just one year.All I know (locally) is that this has been a very warm winter (with a
few exceptions) and I've only had to plug my car in 8 nights so far,
with 5 of those being last week.
This follows last winter that absolutely sucked! It was very cold, with lots
of snow that followed lots of rain through the year that lead to flooding
through the spring into early summer.
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Good source of energy, yup.Nothing wrong with burning tires. Good way to recycle them. I don't know if you can get a residential sized furnace that can do it but industrial ones do.
Quote: Originally Posted by MHz
That isn't much help if the warmer oceans are melting ice from underneath. It's why entire shelves were breaking of the Antarctic ice sheets. They were being eroded from underneath. Same thing concerning Greenland's ice.Are 'they' yet aware that if you keep driving ice-breakers through ice that the ice will eventually get thinner. Are they also aware that if you want the ice to get thicker you drive around on the top and compact the snow to get the air out and that will allow the frost to penetrate deeper. In any Canadian city in winter the 'lawn' might see 4ft of frost, the roads that get traffic and no snow-cover had 12 ft of frost.
#821
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
They also make a good structural support for a retaining walls once they are riveted together, buried or unburied they would last forever. If filled with foam and plastered with clay in and out it might even work as a windowless wall in a house that would withstand a direct hit from a tank shell.Nothing wrong with burning tires. Good way to recycle them. I don't know if you can get a residential sized furnace that can do it but industrial ones do.
#822
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012
Its not getting hotter or colder. What is happening though, is, Its going from hot to cold much more wildly and that's going to cause weather to be more extreme and potentially dangerous for all living things on earth.
That's the effect we are having on earth.
We make weather un-stable. nothing more.
That's the effect we are having on earth.
We make weather un-stable. nothing more.
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#823Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom
There is a school of thought that says life/reality is exactly what we believe it is. If the weather is unstable, then it must be a reflection of the state of the human mind as a whole.Its not getting hotter or colder. What is happening though, is, Its going from hot to cold much more wildly and that's going to cause weather to be more extreme and potentially dangerous for all living things on earth.
That's the effect we are having on earth.
We make weather un-stable. nothing more.
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#824Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom
These global warming/cooling trends take place over a millenium or more, not 10 years like a lot of people seem to think. Its not getting hotter or colder. What is happening though, is, Its going from hot to cold much more wildly and that's going to cause weather to be more extreme and potentially dangerous for all living things on earth.
That's the effect we are having on earth.
We make weather un-stable. nothing more.
#825
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Who thinks that?These global warming/cooling trends take place over a millenium or more, not 10 years like a lot of people seem to think.
#826
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
I would guess most everyone who has been talking about it for the past 5 years. Who thinks that?
#827
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
You don't look like you understand at all what I'm saying.These global warming/cooling trends take place over a millenium or more, not 10 years like a lot of people seem to think.
I'm saying that one day to the next, weather will vary wildly like a seesaw.
I agree with you on the global warming/cooling.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
I don't want to give the human mind that much credit, There is a school of thought that says life/reality is exactly what we believe it is. If the weather is unstable, then it must be a reflection of the state of the human mind as a whole.
I don't think where that amazing. I See us more like simple little compost bugs
but who knows, maybe.
Last edited by Angstrom; Jan 29th, 2012 at 09:14 PM..
#828
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
There are certainly some who would like us to focus on only the last ten years or so...try the first post in this thread...I would guess most everyone who has been talking about it for the past 5 years.
Also you are mistaken about the time required. Climate change does not require millenia. There's no set rule for how long it will take, the climate responds to climate forcings...that's physics. The universe is governed by cause and effect, and things can change very rapidly. Google "--" to see how fast climate can change.Quote: Originally Posted by WalterPrepare for Cooling, not Warming
By Dr. Tim Ball Friday, October 5, 2007
By Dr. Tim Ball and Tom Harris
The world is cooling. Global temperatures have declined since 1998 and a growing number of climate experts expect this trend to continue until at least 2030. This, happening while carbon dioxide (CO2) -- continue to rise, is in complete contradiction to the theory of human-induced (anthropogenic) global warming (AGW). The CBC and other die-hard AGW proponents respond by publicizing selected glacial melts and the impact of dramatic but improbable sea level rises, the only warming issues that seem to grab public attention.
#829
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Angstrom
We are but we have been lied to for so long that we are powerless and need smarter people to lead us around by the hand. It isn't true. The human mind is the most powerful tool on this planet.I don't want to give the human mind that much credit,
I don't think where that amazing. but who knows, maybe.
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#830Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
Google "
Quote: Originally Posted by Tonington
--" to see how fast climate can change.
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The processes behind the timing and amplitude of these
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events (as recorded in ice cores) are still unclear. The pattern in the Southern
Hemisphere is different, with slow warming and much smaller temperature
fluctuations. Indeed, the Vostok ice core was drilled before the Greenland
cores, and the existence of Dansgaard–Oeschger events was not widely recognised
until the Greenland (GRIP/GISP2) cores were done; after which there was some
reexamination of the Vostok core to see if these events had somehow been
"missed]
The events appear to reflect changes in the North Atlantic ocean circulation, perhaps triggered by an influx of fresh water.
The events may be caused by an amplification of solar forcings, or by a cause internal to the earth system - either a "binge-purge" cycle of ice sheets accumulating so much mass they become unstable, as postulated for --, or an oscillation in deep ocean currents (Maslin et al.. 2001, p25).
Ethical ice cores?
#831
Re: Our cooling world
Jan 29th, 2012Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Ethical
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Gobbledygook? Or crack in your cereal??
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