Oil Companies Don't Advertise Like They Used To


tay
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B00Mer
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LOL maybe it's the cut in profits, I get my fuel for $0.83 a litre on the Akwesasne Indian Reserve.

Benefits of living in Ontario.
 
tay
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Quote: Originally Posted by B00MerView Post

LOL maybe it's the cut in profits, I get my fuel for $0.83 a litre on the Akwesasne Indian Reserve.

Benefits of living in Ontario.

Ummmmmmm, no, it's not because of profit status that they don't advertise like that anymore.........



Despite its efforts for nearly two decades to raise doubts about the science of climate change, newly discovered company documents show that as early as 1977, Exxon research scientists warned company executives that carbon dioxide was increasing in the atmosphere and that the burning of fossil fuels was to blame.

The internal records are detailed in a new investigation (external - login to view) published Wednesday by InsideClimate News, a Pulitzer Prize-winning news organization covering energy and the environment.

The investigation found that long before global warming emerged as an issue on the national agenda, Exxon formed an internal brain trust that spent more than a decade trying to understand the impact of rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere — even launching a supertanker with custom-made instruments to sample and understand whether the oceans could absorb the rising atmospheric CO2 levels.


video.


Investigation Finds Exxon Ignored Its Own Early Climate Change Warnings | Environment | FRONTLINE | PBS (external - login to view)
 
taxslave
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Still trying to push the globull warming lie.
 
Cliffy
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They don't have to advertise any more; they own the government so they don't give a sh!t what people believe or want. Besides, they have greedy sheeple like Slave, Petroglyph and Rummy to spread lies and attack anybody who disagrees with their agenda.
 
petros
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Greedy people with jobs. See ya at the pub on welfare Wednesday.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

They don't have to advertise any more; they own the government so they don't give a sh!t what people believe or want. Besides, they have greedy sheeple like Slave, Petroglyph and Rummy to spread lies and attack anybody who disagrees with their agenda.

I'm voting for Suncor this election... Let's see, that'd be PetroCanada which was PET's brainchild, so I suppose that I'll be supporting Justine
 
petros
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I'm voting for the Union coalition that did the physical work.
 
captain morgan
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Which is the banking syndicate party that did all the underwriting?
 
petros
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Who backs the Credit Unions?
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Who backs the Credit Unions?

We haven't touched on the real finance guys in terms of bookies and loan sharks... I'm guessing that this would be the Dippers
 
petros
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Well damn eh? Who is remaining to blame?
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Harper, of course. The Source of All Evil.
 
petros
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Full moon is when? 28th? I still have a week to buy a sacrificial goat.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Full moon is when? 28th? I still have a week to buy a sacrificial goat.

The preparations are fairly extensive. The pentagram has to be geometrically perfect, and you need to boil the skulls you put the black candles on to remove every last scrap of flesh.

I want those skulls clean enough to eat off of!
 
tay
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It's one thing to knowingly deceive and confuse the public about the reality of climate change but when you're also misleading shareholders into how climate change might affect the cash flow from their investments, not the environment but cash flow, well, that's a call to arms.

In a move that could ripple through the fossil fuel industry (link is external) (external - login to view), New York Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, has subpoenaed Exxon's records, documents and emails pertaining to climate change.


The focus includes the company’s activities dating to the late 1970s, including a period of at least a decade when Exxon Mobil funded groups that sought to undermine climate science. A major focus of the investigation is whether the company adequately warned investors about potential financial risks stemming from society’s need to limit fossil-fuel use.

Kenneth P. Cohen, vice president for public affairs at Exxon Mobil, said on Thursday that the company had received the subpoena and was still deciding how to respond.

...The people with knowledge of the New York case also said on Thursday that, in a separate inquiry, Peabody Energy, the nation’s largest coal producer, had been under investigation by the attorney general for two years over whether it properly disclosed financial risks related to climate change. That investigation has not been previously reported, and has not resulted in any charges or other legal action against Peabody.


...The Exxon Mobil investigation might expand further, to encompass other oil companies, according to the people with knowledge of the case, though no additional subpoenas have been issued to date.

There is now a solid scientific consensus that any hope we may have of keeping global warming within the 2 degree Celsius target will require that we leave about 80% of known fossil fuel reserves in the ground, unburned, and effectively stranded. The fossil fuel giants continue to carry those reserves on their books as assets and at "face value" that may be wildly overstated. This creates a "carbon bubble" that is expected to burst, literally wiping out the value of the energy giants and their shareholders' investments.


www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/sc...6&ref=cta&_r=0 (external - login to view)
 
Walter
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No one advertises like they used to except maybe the hooker on the street corner.
 
relic
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I miss all the cool tiger stuff Esso used to give away.
 
tay
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Back in 1977, ExxonMobil's senior scientist told the company's management committee that humans are probably causing the planet to warm through all our burning of fossil fuels. Months later, Exxon launched a massive program to further examine the link, research that included spending over $1 million on a tanker that could measure how quickly oceans were absorbing carbon dioxide.

You probably figured out how this story ends. A few years later, after warnings about climate change prompted politicians to start talking about maybe doing something about it, the Irving-based oil giant suddenly axed its research program and then spent a few decades pretending that man-made global warming isn't real.

Exxon's early research into global warming was uncovered several months ago by the scrappy environmental news website InsideClimateNews (external - login to view). In the aftermath of their report, House Democrats and others have called for the Department of Justice to launch a federal investigation into Exxon.

Texas Congressman Lamar Smith has a different idea. Smith, who chairs the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology, is hard at work trying to subpoena a group of government scientists who published a study last year yet again suggesting that the planet is warming because of humanity's use of fossil fuels, just like those Exxon scientists said decades ago.

Lately, some Republicans have claimed that global warming is slowing down, but the scientists in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration published research in the journal Science contradicting that claim, with findings of their own showing that nope, sorry, global warming really isn't slowing down. Smith is not happy with the NOAA's work.

Smith, a man who believes that (external - login to view) "throughout history, marriage between a man and a woman has been the cement that has held civilizations together," is an interesting choice to chair the science committee.


Since 2010, Smith has enjoyed hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations from industries like oil and gas (external - login to view) and companies getting sued for exposing people to asbestos (external - login to view). He has claimed that global warming is a religion and once wrote in a newspaper (external - login to view) that “climate alarmists have failed to explain the lack of global warming over the past 15 years." And now that the NOAA has in fact explained the "lack of global warming," with a study saying there isn't a lack, Smith is pressing the NOAA's scientists for answers about how they came to a conclusion that dares fly in the face of what Smith, who is not a scientist, believes.

On November 4, Smith used his authority as a committee chairman to demand that the NOAA scientists send him a stack of documents related to their research — including all communications the scientists made to each other. "...your failure to comply ... may expose you to civil and/or criminal enforcement mechanisms," his letter warned. Smith's reason for the subpoena is vague. In another letter Smith wrote on November 19, this time to the U.S. Department of Commerce, he claimed that a whistle-blower told him the study was "prematurely rushed to publication ... [raising] concerns that it was expedited to fit the Administration's aggressive climate agenda. "

Smith's subpoena and accusations were swiftly criticized by Dallas' own Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson, who is also on the science committee. "In six separate, and increasingly aggressive letters, the only thing you accused NOAA of doing is engaging in climate science," Johnson fired off to Smith in a letter of her own.

So far, the NOAA has agreed to show Smith's science committee documents from the research but is refusing to turn over its scientists' communications. “Because the confidentiality of these communications among scientists is essential to frank discourse among scientists, those documents were not provided to the committee,” the agency told Nature last month. “It is a longstanding practice in the scientific community to protect the confidentiality of deliberative scientific discussions.”

Texas' House Science Chairman Is Investigating Climate Scientists for Doing Science | Dallas Observer (external - login to view)
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

No one advertises like they used to except maybe the hooker on the street corner.

That's right. When was the last time that you saw "Better living through Chemistry" like DuPont used to say?
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

They don't have to advertise any more; they own the government so they don't give a sh!t what people believe or want. Besides, they have greedy sheeple like Slave, Petroglyph and Rummy to spread lies and attack anybody who disagrees with their agenda.

If they own the Govt and Govt insists global warming is man made and requires taxation, why the f-ck do you believe them?
 
lone wolf
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Animal rights groups got upset with the tiger in the tank
 
tay
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In a loss for ExxonMobil, the New York State Supreme Court has ordered the oil giant and its accounting firm to produce documents subpoenaed in a highly charged investigation of whether the company concealed from investors and the public what it knew about climate change as long as four decades ago.

The New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who issued a subpoena in August, sought on Oct. 14 to force PricewaterhouseCoopers to provide the documents after ExxonMobil said it would not permit PwC to provide certain documents based on a Texas statute that Exxon said provided “accountant-client privilege.”

The New York Court ruled that Exxon’s interpretation of the Texas statute was “flawed,” and said the Texas statute does not preclude PwC from producing the documents requested by the New York attorney general’s office. The court also stated that New York law, rather than Texas law, governed the dispute.

Exxon has asserted that it did not conceal material information and accused the attorneys general of having a political agenda. The company said the subpoenas alone would chill companies’ internal research and free speech.

ExxonMobil has produced more than a million pages of documents, but it has also asked a Texas federal court to issue a preliminary injunction blocking the need for the company to comply with similar subpoenas issued by Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey. U.S. District Court Judge Ed Kinkeade of Texas did not grant the injunction, but on Oct. 13 he issued a discovery order for ExxonMobil to examine Healey’s internal documents and records to determine whether she acted in “bad faith” in issuing her subpoena. ExxonMobil later asked the judge to add Schneiderman’s name to the order.

Healey has asked the court to vacate its order and dismiss Exxon’s suit.

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MHz
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They did it in the past when they were competitors, now they conspire behind closed door on how to cheat the public. Same way that newspapers don't compete for stories anymore as they are all fed the same story. Who says that is progress??
 
relic
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Remember the cool tiger toys that Esso used to give?
 
lone wolf
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I remember the cool chalk-drawing ads over live play on Hockey Night in Canada (Esso, Molsons and later, Ford) back when the game was a game and took precedence over commerce
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

I remember the cool chalk-drawing ads over live play on Hockey Night in Canada (Esso, Molsons and later, Ford) back when the game was a game and took precedence over commerce

Wait. . . you're saying a game (entertainment by definition) should take precedence over commerce?

Exactly what do you think entertainment is? (Hint: it's part of commerce.)
 
MHz
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Quote: Originally Posted by relicView Post

Remember the cool tiger toys that Esso used to give?

While adverting for leaded gas if I recall.
 
Murphy
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wwwyoutubecomwatchvXlqiTqHX7mU

 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Wait. . . you're saying a game (entertainment by definition) should take precedence over commerce?

Exactly what do you think entertainment is? (Hint: it's part of commerce.)

Get your facts all in a row, clounsellor.... Hockey Night in Canada was respected and nothing disturbed the play. Esso, Molsons and Ford respected it. Until NHL sold out to the sponsors, respect came before money
 

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