If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

gerryh

#1Oct 23rd, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by dattaswami

If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

You cannot please God by prayers and service simultaneously doing sins. If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God and you are insulting God. You cannot please and insult God simultaneously. Therefore, every devotee and servant of God should be careful about the concept of the sin and about the only path to cancel the sin.

define sin and list.

Moderator's Edit: Link in quote removed.

Last edited by shadowshiv; Oct 23rd, 2010 at 11:57 PM..

dattaswami

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Definition of Sin

A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal.

Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.

The Lord says in the Gita that the divine Knowledge alone pleases Him (Jnaya Yajnena…).

selin

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by dattaswami

Definition of Sin

A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal.

Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.

The Lord says in the Gita that the divine Knowledge alone pleases Him (Jnaya Yajnena…).

thank you very much, Dattaswami! you and Eannesir are just same as Prophets, or we couldn't find the right way without you all...(why did God give the wits to common men to find the truth while there are those cute ones?)

dattaswami

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by selin

thank you very much, Dattaswami! you and Eannesir are just same as Prophets, or we couldn't find the right way without you all...(why did God give the wits to common men to find the truth while there are those cute ones?)

Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate.

A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell. Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.

Quote: Originally Posted by selin

thank you very much, Dattaswami! you and Eannesir are just same as Prophets, or we couldn't find the right way without you all...(why did God give the wits to common men to find the truth while there are those cute ones?)

God acts as Father as well as the teacher (Guru) in the case of any soul. Since God created the soul, He is the Father. But at the same time He is the teacher who trains every soul to come up in the spiritual path. Generally in the world the father is different since teacher is separate. But here in the case of any soul the real Father and the real teacher is only one and that is God. Therefore, God is always kind as Father and is strict and harsh as teacher. But the harshness of the teacher is apparent only and in reality the harshness is kindness only. Hence, basically God is always kind. God appears harsh as the teacher and appears kind as Father.

Since, the teacher is basically kind even in his harsh attitude also, God is always kind in reality or in the basic sense. The souls have done continuous sins and continuous good deeds and if the results are to be given based on the same sequence and span of time, there will be continuous punishments for long time and continuous happiness for another span of long time. Then it will be summer for one year and winter for one year. But the kindest God has re-arranged our results in such manner so that our human life is made with alternative good and bad results so that there will be summer for two months andwinter for two months so that the two years are made withalternative couple of months of summer and winter. Neither summer nor winter bores with continuity and both summer and winter with the span of one year each gets exhausted.

The punishments are used to remove the ignorance and happiness is given as an interval between punishments. The punishments are also selected in such a way so that their intensity is suitable to the frequency of requirement for the transformation in the life again and again. This means that a particular soul requires a particular punishment of a specified intensity suitable to the degree of ignorance of the soul and based on the same, the duration of the punishment also varies from one soul to the other. According to the requirement, a suitable portion from the result of the sin is cut like a piece from a large cake. The size of the piece depends on the requirement of the nature of the soul. The sizes of the pieces of the salt (bad result) and sweet (Good result) cakes depend upon the duration of treatment and interval required by the nature of the soul.

The salt cake is a medicine for the ignorance and the sweet cake is the food during the treatment for the patient-soul. The left over cakes are used for the external hell and heaven in the upper world. Whatever may be the place (hell or heaven or earth), the punishments are given for the treatment of ignorance only. In the earth the punishments are used as medicines but in the hell the punishments are used as the final surgery for removing the ignorance. In any case only the kindness of God is always reflected. Thus, God can be seen as Father or Teacher or Doctor giving medicines or surgeon doing operation and in all angles only the kindness is reflected always. He is always working constantly to uplift every soul. God works as Teacher, Doctor and Surgeon and at the same time the God with an attitude of the Father also observes the possible limit up to which the soul can withstand the treatment.

Once the limit is reached, God will regain the attitude of Father withdrawing Himself from the attitude of Teacher or Doctor or Surgeon and as a Father He starts giving the food of happiness for some time. Remember that He is using the bad and good results of the deeds of the soul only in every action to uplift the soul.

The deeds are done by the soul in a free atmosphere and God has no trace of interference and the same time all this treatment and food arranged alternatively makes the life cycle quite interesting to the soul without boring since continuity of anything is absent. Otherwise the soul would have got bored and the Samskara (strong feeling) of boring should have followed the soul and the soul must have developed repulsion to this world as soon as it is born in this world.

china

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote:

Definition of Sin.....

what is a sin if not a lack of love !

dattaswami

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by china

what is a sin if not a lack of love !

God arranges the results of your deeds in your life cycle

The results of sin are not only serving the purpose of alternative intervals in the continuous happiness but also serve as the cane for guiding the soul in the proper spiritual path. Due to happiness the soul becomes lazy and proud with ego and such continuous laziness and ego will ruin the soul. Therefore, the results of sin are required immediately to bring normalcy to the soul.

After some time these punishments bring down the soul to the subnormal state and now good results are required to bring the soul up to the normal level. It is just like balancing the horse with a double chain controlling it from both sides or it is just like balancing the patient with the weakness caused by antibiotic medicines and strength caused by nutritious food alternatively. The treatment is very critical and balanced and is highly specific for each soul.

taxslave

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by dattaswami

Definition of Sin

A soul is beaten in the hell and the servants of Yama say “why have you done this deed which is not liked by God?” They will not say “why have you done this sin?” Anything that is not liked by God is a sin. By itself a sin is not a sin, because it is a feeling, which is a wave of awareness and is completely unreal.

Hurting any soul, especially a believer in God is the basis of sin according to God. Punishment with an attitude to change the soul is exempted from this concept. There should be no trace of revenge in punishment. If the soul is realized and changed, do not think of revenge. Jesus told that if you punish others for their sins, God shall punish you also for your sins. Punishment of a student by a teacher is not a sin, because it is for his change and upliftment only. The same aim exists when God punishes the souls.

The Lord says in the Gita that the divine Knowledge alone pleases Him (Jnaya Yajnena…).

So you are saying that when the priests running the residential schools beat students for speaking their native language instead of english it was not a sin?

Spade

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Punishment and love are antithetical; them what claim otherwise are idjuts!

---Cousin Spade

taxslave

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

How do you know what god defines as a sin? Or for that matter whose god. Did god come and tell you what is a sin and what isn't? Or are you simply relying on what some old men define as sin?

Cliffy

#10

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Gawd, don't ya just love people who think for god? If we really needed clowns like that, why do we have brains? If we are capable of analytical thought, why do we need religion? Self professed experts on god need to look in a mirror and get their own shyte together and stop bothering others with their tripe.

JLM

#11

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Gawd, don't ya just love people who think for god? If we really needed clowns like that, why do we have brains? If we are capable of analytical thought, why do we need religion? Self professed experts on god need to look in a mirror and get their own shyte together and stop bothering others with their tripe.

Hey Cliff, there's two or three of these religious wackos on here, when I see their name I hit "delete". Why is it that the more religious one is the stupider he is?

Last edited by JLM; Oct 24th, 2010 at 01:14 PM..Reason: misspell

Cliffy

#12

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

Hey Cliff, there's two or three of these religious wackos on here, when I see their name I hit "delete". Why is it that the more religious one is the stupider he is?

Because they get all their "learning" from books instead of experiencing life as it unfolds. Book learning does not make one wise. It just fills the head with a bunch of useless information that has nothing to do with life. A life spent preparing for an after-life is a life and mind wasted.

damngrumpy

#13

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Cliffy you are right, their vision of sin is what other call living and life experiences. Remember the
first time we found Mr Rum or too much beer. I still can't drink 5star whiskey.
Of course rock and roll have been associated with sin
sex before marriage is listed as sin
They have a whole host of sins, including independent thought, and as I said life experiences
themselves.
Who's God, in some cases what God and so on.
The people do not distinguish between sins and crimes in many cases. Freedom of choice is not
an option and democracy is out of the question.
Like this site I took a look because just like the others I like to see what they are up to, and no i will
not be overcome by the great spirit that forgives all sin, or whatever.
How can we take this seriously, but remember they are plotting to conquer the world because God
told them to.

Cliffy

#14

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Well, if there is a god, it will be pissing on their graves for the crimes committed in it's name.

Spade

#15

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

All this cleansing with fire and stuff... Negative reinforcement doesn't work; haven't the gawds read the literature?

gerryh

#16

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

still waiting for a list of these sins.

Cliffy

#17

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

still waiting for a list of these sins.

God is unknowable, so how can we know what displeases it? Other than what some ancient books say, what have we got to figure out what a righteous life is. If we go by what the books say, we are hooped no matter what we do or don't do. We really only have what we feel is right or wrong, the rest is speculation and opinion.

gerryh

#18

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

well, the author of the OP seemed to imply that he knew...I want a list.

Spade

#19

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

well, the author of the OP seemed to imply that he knew...I want a list.

I, personally, love lists! Let's make our own list while we're waiting!

List of deadly sins:
1. Hot pumpkin pie with whipped cream and ice cream! Then, seconds! Truly sinful!

petros

#20

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Sin as in the Hebrew god on the pennisula?

Cliffy

#21

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

I, personally, love lists! Let's make our own list while we're waiting!

List of deadly sins:
1. Hot pumpkin pie with whipped cream and ice cream! Then, seconds! Truly sinful!

2. Black Forest cake made with real whipped cream, Kirsch and dark German chocolate.

JLM

#22

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

2. Black Forest cake made with real whipped cream, Kirsch and dark German chocolate.

3. Head cheese with mustard on multigrain bread.

Spade

#23

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by JLM

3. Head cheese with mustard on multigrain bread.

4. Devil's food cake sprinkled with cointreau.

Cliffy

#24

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

4. Devil's food cake sprinkled with cointreau.

Now you are playing dirty!
5. Chocolate mouse with Gran Marnier.

Sparrow

#25

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Spade

4. Devil's food cake sprinkled with cointreau.

Ice cream of a piece of chocolate cake with Butterscotch Sauce with real scotch.

lone wolf

#26

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Sin? Like drive-through in a '57 Bel-Air?

Spade

#27

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

7. Sin? Like in the back seat with your date in a '57 Bel-Air?

8. Adding vodka to a virgin caesar!

damngrumpy

#28

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

I like putting turkey gravey on fresh salad on special occassions.
must be #9
Truly evil I would think.

gopher

#29

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

''If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God''

''I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.'' Isaiah 45:7

''Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?'' Amos 3:6

''Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?'' Lamentations 3:38

According to the Bible, god creates all evil.

Bcool

#30

Re: If you are doing a sin, you are going against the will of God

Oct 24th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Now you are playing dirty!
5. Chocolate mouse with Gran Marnier.

And I was doing so well until that one! :::drool::: Oh well, I love the whole list & no hell where I'm not going... tra la la la! Turkey gravy on salad hmmm DG? Sounds yummy, I know it's good on coleslaw. Yus!