Jesus:the rock of our salvation

[herald]

"Behold I stand before thee there upon the Rock of Horeb; and thou shalt smite the Rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink. And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel." Ex 17:6 (Jesus was smitten)

"And it shall come to pass, while My glory passes by, that I will put thee in the cleft of the Rock, and will cover thee with My hand as I pass by." Ex 33:22.

"And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod, he smote the Rock twice: and the water came our abundantly, and the congregation drank and the beasts also." Num 20:11.

"He is the Rock, His work is perfect, a God of Truth for all His ways are judgment: a God of Truth without iniquity (lawlessness), just and right is He." Deut 32:4.

"But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation." Deut 32:15.

"Of the Rock that begat thee, thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee." Deut 32:18.

"How should one chase a thousand and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up. For their Rock is not our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges." Deut 32:30,31.

"There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside Thee: neither is there any Rock like our God." 1 Sam 2:2.

"The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spoke unto me, He that rules over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God." 2 Sam 23:3.

"I will love Thee, O Lord my strength. The Lord is my Rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in Whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower." Ps 18:1,2.

"For Who is our God save the Lord? Or Who is our Rock save our God?" Ps 18:31.

"The Lord lives and blessed be the Rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted." Ps 18:46.

"Unto Thee will I cry, O Lord my Rock: be Thou not silent to me: lest if Thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down to the pit." Ps 28:1.

"He shall cry unto me, Thou art my Father, my God, and the Rock of my salvation." Ps 89:26.

"But the Lord is my defense; and my God is the Rock of my refuge." Ps 94:22.

"O come let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the Rock of our salvation." Ps 95:1.

"The pride of thy heart has deceived you, thou that dwells in the cleft of the Rock, whose habitation is high; that says in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?" Ob 3.

"AND DID ALL DRINK THE SAME SPIRITUAL DRINK: FOR THEY DRANK OF THAT SPIRITUAL ROCK WHICH FOLLOWED THEM: AND THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST." 1 Cor 10:4.

 

[gerryh]

This IS the proper place for Herald to post these topics. If you don`t want to read what he has to post, THEN STAY OUT OF THE Spirtituality subforum.

 

[Cliffy]

Well Gerry, this is supposed to be a discussion, but the guy just posts a bunch of unconnected biblical verses and buggers off, only to return occasionally to tell us we will all burn in a lake of fire if we don't believe his version of the bible. Perhaps if he stuck around to discuss what the point of his posts are, he would not get so much flack. And unfortunately, his threads show up[ in the general topics of the day, so we can't miss them. Besides, I don't appreciate anybody who tells people they are going to burn even if I know he is full of it. He makes it personal. So he can expect people to respond in a personal manner.

 

[gerryh]

This IS the proper place for Herald to post these topics. If you don`t want to read what he has to post, THEN STAY OUT OF THE Spirtituality subforum.

bump

 

[Scott Free]

 

[gerryh]

This IS the proper place for Herald to post these topics. If you don`t want to read what he has to post, THEN STAY OUT OF THE Spirtituality subforum.

bump

 

[Scott Free]

 

[Ron in Regina]

If "herald" doesn't mind....this might be a great opportunity to discuss the
motivation of some to enter the "Christian Discussion" SubForum, or
others like it, only to mock and ridicule.

I'd personally appreciate an effort at a civil discussion on this topic, as
we all might learn something.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yeah, we might learn something, but not from herald. He just posts bible verses, sometimes adds a notice that we're all going to burn in Hell if we don't buy his message, and disappears. He's not interested in discussion, just in making threatening announcements. That justifiably draws mockery and ridicule.

 

[Stretch]

hey herald, ever heard of vishnu? he/she/it is an indian diety, his/her/its story reads the same as jc s. if you arent so blinded and wish to do some research you'll find the only diff 'tween the 2 is that vishnu did all his/her/its stuff 1200 yrs b4 jc was s'psedly born.........just a coincedence mate, nothing t' worry about........... ;-)

 

[Scott Free]

Well, I mock and ridicule because I know how dangerous this illness is. Levity and derision might steer someone away from it. It is a sickness that preys on the weak and vulnerable.

 

[Cliffy]

Like I said Ron, there is no room for discussion here. Herald makes statements as if fact and then disappears. He is preaching and very much acts like a spammer on this topic. I have studied comparative religions and have had discussions on these topics with hundreds of people. Many are like the poster that Scott Free posted with the woman with her fingers in her ears but some are willing to discuss, have at least a curiosity what others think. Unless we are willing to accept that others have a right to their beliefs without condemning them to hell for not believing as you do, there will always be war and conflict. People who leave no room for other thoughts and beliefs are hate mongers.

People on here ridicule right, left, liberal, conservative, democrats and republicans but it is taboo ridicule anybody who thinks they are the only ones who know god and what he expects of us. I would love to discuss things like, if someone has an insight or inspiration concerning religious or spiritual matters, those revelations are only relevant to them and not necessarily the rest of humanity. Religions are dangerous because they are so rigid. (People like Karrie, for example, are rare, at least in my experience, for being open minded within her beliefs.) That rigidity causes people to shoot abortion doctors and blow themselves up in market places. If there is no room for discussion, then sometime people think there is only ridicule left to try to get them to see how ridiculous they are for thinking they are the only ones who have the truth.

 

[Scott Free]

If there is no room for discussion, then sometime people think there is only ridicule left to try to get them to see how ridiculous they are for thinking they are the only ones who have the truth.

Most dogmatists are too far gone to recover but it is the people reading the posts and finding comfort in these silly imaginings that I would like to steer away.

I would add that ridicule did help me get over it. I'm still a dogmatist and always will be but I can counter it (to some extent) now with new tools.

 

[Cliffy]

Most dogmatists are too far gone to recover but it is the people reading the posts and finding comfort in these silly imaginings that I would like to steer away.

I would add that ridicule did help me get over it. I'm still a dogmatist and always will be but I can counter it (to some extent) now with new tools.

Dogma certainly is a condition that is difficult to overcome. We need all the tools we can gather. An ex-catholic once told me that I was the first person he met that gave him hope that there was life after Catholicism, having survived it myself. It has taken me almost forty years of studying comparative religions, spiritual paths, philosophies, metaphysics, quantum physics, psychology and para-psychology to feel comfortable with being me in a world where it is taboo to even know who you are.

 

[Scott Free]

Dogma certainly is a condition that is difficult to overcome. We need all the tools we can gather. An ex-catholic once told me that I was the first person he met that gave him hope that there was life after Catholicism, having survived it myself. It has taken me almost forty years of studying comparative religions, spiritual paths, philosophies, metaphysics, quantum physics, psychology and para-psychology to feel comfortable with being me in a world where it is taboo to even know who you are.

Everything I've read said there is no life outside of it. In my case I was raised with it and my entire character has been mauled by it. I have no "self" to find because the abuse started too early. I have no "frame of orientation" as Erich Fromm calls it, that is, a social identity - it was hollowed out - that is the thing that gives us humans meaning. I have non.

I know that every religious person isn't a dogmatist.

I recommend reading; What's So Wrong With Being Absolutely Right by Judy J. Johnson. Not that I think you're a dogmatist but it might further your journey. The first chapters of the book shocked me. It described my childhood and then described me perfectly. I had no idea I was a dogmatist but in retrospect it's obvious.

Anyway, sorry to go on, it's just religion isn't a game and is a dangerous venom. I hate and despise it for what it has done to me and if I could save even one child from such a fate I would hurt everyone's feelings on the entire damn planet.

Dr. Johnson says in her book that no one can understand that hasn't gone through it. She says it is unimaginable and from the way people talk I believe she is right.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

hey herald, ever heard of vishnu? he/she/it is an indian diety, his/her/its story reads the same as jc s. if you arent so blinded and wish to do some research you'll find the only diff 'tween the 2 is that vishnu did all his/her/its stuff 1200 yrs b4 jc was s'psedly born.........just a coincedence mate, nothing t' worry about........... ;-)

I remember reading somewhere, somebody made an interesting connection between Vishnu and Jesus. For one, both represent the second deity in the Trinity (Hindu Trinity; Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and Christian Trinity; Father, Son, Holy Ghost).

Now, Jesus is an anglicized version of the original name, Yeshu. But Yeshu is also a comparatively recent form, the name before Yeshu was Yeshiva.

Apparently Vishnu has literally a thousand names, and one of the names is Keshava. There is a great deal of similarity between Keshava and Yeshiva. A coincidence? Who knows?

But many people have made the connection between Jesus and Vishnu. It is clear that Christianity has borrowed freely form Hinduism and from Zoroastrianism. It may be that they also borrowed Vishnu from Hinduism and turned him into Jesus.

 

[herald]

you are fools!!!!

 

[lone wolf]

Great discussion point!

 

[Cliffy]

Everything I've read said there is no life outside of it. In my case I was raised with it and my entire character has been mauled by it. I have no "self" to find because the abuse started too early. I have no "frame of orientation" as Erich Fromm calls it, that is, a social identity - it was hollowed out - that is the thing that gives us humans meaning. I have non.

Well Scott, there is life after catholicism. I know a lot of aboriginal people who went through the torture and torment of residential schools who have regained their life. I once read a book called Losing Your Mind. It was about losing the socially conditioned mind to discover who you really are. The book that started me on my journey was Allan Watts' - The Book [on the Taboo against knowing who you are]. I don't believe anybody is lost or without their own character. It may feel like that sometimes, but everyone has a path.

The journey may begin with rejection, as was my case, but there is far more to life, human psychology and the energy force that animates out bodies and minds. It is dogma that kills the spirit but that can be resurrected. The story of Jesus can make sense if it is viewed as a metaphor for life. Taken literally it is just so much nonsense. Not that I recommend trying to figure out what it means to you, I just use it as an example. If you seek YOUR truth, you will find it. Life will show you the way but first you need to get over your anger and frustration. They keep you from appreciating life to its fullest.

I spent ten years living in the forest with the wild beasts to get past my anger and come to a place where life began to make sense (although what we call society or civilization is completely insane to me. It is just as dogmatic as religion.) I think that we just have to become sick and tired of being sick and tired to finally be motivated to get off our asses to go looking for answers that make sense to us personally.

 

[JLM]

I spent ten years living in the forest with the wild beasts to get past my anger and come to a place where life began to make sense (although what we call society or civilization is completely insane to me. It is just as dogmatic as religion.) I think that we just have to become sick and tired of being sick and tired to finally be motivated to get off our asses to go looking for answers that make sense to us personally.

I think you are onto something there, Cliff. One thing I might add - probably the first thing one should do on their route to sanity is to get those frickin' "Joneses" out of their heads. THAT and the idiot box are the two greatest enemies of mankind today. Happy Canada Day. :lol::lol: