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AnnaG
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Re: Forgiveness

Aug 3rd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by AndyFView Post

God means it to be a collective effort, with individuals and societies doing their part, this is why it isn't working. Power corrupts absolutely, and when you are a society sinning, it seems to become less urgent to correct error. But the christian churches seem to be caught up in collectivism and the power that comes with it. It forgets to minister to nations and tell them that collectively they are wrong. This is because it's safer to forget about an individual who complains than a nation.

lol Churches know about as much on what is wrong with societies as politicians do. Politics and religions are what have built our societies to be what they are. Both are a bane to humankind. Both are tools for the few to control the many and so far politics, religions, and societies have been geared by those few, so the many have very little, if any, hope of changing anything. As you said, though, "Christians believe that forgiveness/pardons are to be granted unconditionally" so everything's cool and we should just accept whatever comes so some god or other can deal with it later.
 
Cliffy
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Re: Forgiveness

Aug 3rd, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaGView Post

lol Churches know about as much on what is wrong with societies as politicians do. Politics and religions are what have built our societies to be what they are. Both are a bane to humankind. Both are tools for the few to control the many and so far politics, religions, and societies have been geared by those few, so the many have very little, if any, hope of changing anything. As you said, though, "Christians believe that forgiveness/pardons are to be granted unconditionally" so everything's cool and we should just accept whatever comes so some god or other can deal with it later.

Its kinda funny that some of the religious think we should forgive and pardon anti social behaviour but their god is just in condemning all who don't believe in it to eternal damnation, pain and anguish for all eternity. Double standard or what?
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dattaswami
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 24th, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

Filial forgiveness. Gen 45:14-15.
Evil act forgiven. Gen 50:15-21.
Forgiving spirit. Ex 23:4-5;Pro 2.
But, you must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God: Ezek 36:26,27;John 3:3-7.

When one throws fire on you if you throw fire against him in return, can your fire extinguish the opposite fire? The fire thrown by you cannot pacify the injuries caused by your enemy’s fire on your body. The injuries caused by your fire on the body of your enemy will increase the strength of your enmity with him. If you throw water against his fire, your water can extinguish the opposite fire. The water fallen on your enemy generates repentance in your enemy and the enmity ends forever. A scholar shows love as an answer to violence. An ignorant person shows anger as an answer to anger.

 
herald
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 25th, 2010
You have to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus, to have Him in your heart.
 
dattaswami
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 25th, 2010
Quote: Originally Posted by heraldView Post

You have to be forgiven by the blood of Jesus, to have Him in your heart.

Get deceived rather than deceive, get harmed rather than harm


You have to live in this world according to the instructions of the Lord. Regarding your life in this world, the essence of His instruction is that, you should be ‘deceived’ by others and not deceive others, you should be ‘harmed by others but not harm anyone, you should not insult others, but you can be insulted by others, and you should be abused by others but not abuse others. One cannot attain God by doing penance even for centuries. But there is one easiest way to attain God.

When you are deceived by others or when you are harmed by others or when you are insulted by others or when you are abused by others, the Lord comes to your side. It means you have attained God. Therefore, you should thank the people who have deceived, or harmed or insulted or abused you. They have helped you in attaining God by the easiest way. Therefore you should not deceive or harm or insult or scold even such people in return. They might have passed on the punishment to you, for your sins on the will of God. In that case also, they have cleared your sins at an early stage without further interest on the punishment. Even in that way you should thank them.
 
Chiliagon
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 25th, 2010
Forgiveness..... Is More than Saying Sorry.....
 
herald
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 26th, 2010
You have forgiveness, when you ask the Lord into your heart.
 
GreenFish66
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Re: Forgiveness

Oct 26th, 2010
Forgive ...Can never Forget ...
 

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