Messiah

[herald]

PROPHETIC
SCRIPTURE: SUBJECT: FULFILLED

Gen 3:15: Seed of a woman: Ga 4:4

Gen 12:3: Seed of Abraham: Mt 1:1

Gen 17:19: Seed of Isaac: Lu 3:34

Num 24:17: Seed of Jacob: Mt 1:2

Gen 49:10: From the tribe of Judah: Lu 3:33

Isa 9:7: Heir to the throne of David: Lu 1:32,33

Mic 5:2: Born in Bethlehem: Lu 2:4-7

Dan 9:25: Time for His birth: Lu 2:1,2

Isa 7:14: Born of a virgin: Lu 1:26-31

Jer 31:15: Slaughter of the innocents: Mt 2:16-18

Hos 11:1: Flight to Egypt: Mt 2:14,15

Mal 3:1: Preceded by a forerunner: Lu 7:24,27

Ps 2:7: Declared the Son of God: Mt 3:17

Isa 9:1,2: Galilean ministry: Mt 4:13-16

Deut 18:15: A prophet: Acts 3:20,22

Isa 61:1,2: To heal the brokenhearted: Lu 4:18,19

Isa 53:3: Rejected by His own people - the Jews: John 1:11;Lu 23:18

Ps 110:4: Priest after the order of Melchizedek: Heb 5:5,6

Zech 9:9: Triumphal entry: Mk 11:7-11

Ps 41:9: Betrayed by a friend: Lu 22:47,48

Zech 11:12: Sold for thirty pieces of silver: Mt 26:15

Ps 35:11: Accused by false witnesses: Mk 14:57,58

Isa 53:7: Silent to accusations: Mk 15:4,5

Isa 50:6: Spat upon and smitten: Mt 26:67

Ps 35:19: Hated without reason: John 15:24,25

Isa 53:5: Vicarious sacrifice: Rom 5:6,8

Isa 53:12: Crucified with malefactors: Mk 15:27,28

Zech 12:10: Pierced through hands and feet: John 20:27

Ps 22:7,8: Scorned and mocked: Lu 23:35

Ps 69:21: Given vinegar and gall: Mt 27:34

Ps 109:4: Prayer for His enemies: Lu 23:34

Ps 22:17,18: Soldiers gambled for His coat: Mt 27:35,36

Ps 34:20: No bones broken: John 19:32-36

Zech 12:10: His side pierced: John 19:34

Isa 53:9: Buried with the rich: Mt 27:57-60

Ps 16:10;49:15:To be resurrected: Mk 16:6,7

Ps 68:18: His ascension to God's right hand: Mk 16:19;1 Cor 15:4;Eph 4:8

 

[Scott Free]

Great story except Jesus never existed and it's pretty easy to fulfil prophecy with a fiction. :roll:

 

[herald]

If you believe that, you are eternally lost.

 

[s_lone]

If you believe that, you are eternally lost.

If there was such a thing as eternal damnation, perhaps YOU'D be the one condemned to it, because of your arrogant condemnation of others beliefs.

But there is no such thing as eternal damnation. God's creation is in constant evolution and flux. It is an eternal unfolding, not an eternal stagnation. Everything is subject to change and transformation one time or another. That is what evolution is about.

 

[herald]

We have all fallen from grace and are sinners, in need of redemption. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you - He will.

 

[Mulk]

Great story except Jesus never existed and it's pretty easy to fulfil prophecy with a fiction. :roll:

Written history has indicates that a man named Jesus Christ existed. I'm pretty sure that is accurate. If you disagree about WHO he was, well that's up to you.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Written history has indicates that a man named Jesus Christ existed. I'm pretty sure that is accurate. If you disagree about WHO he was, well that's up to you.

Written history indicates no such thing, and I defy you to show us otherwise...

 

[s_lone]

We have all fallen from grace and are sinners, in need of redemption. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you - He will.

There is no sense in feeling guilty for being alive!!!

The ''original sin'' is nothing else but the detachment from primordial unity. That is not a sin. It is in the order of things. There is a painful side to this detachment in the sense that we feel lost and long for the Eden of primal fusion with our origin, but what we must strive for is a balance between multiplicity and unity. We must feel our wholeness and our ''partness''.

There is no sense in feeling guilty for being alive!!!

 

[Mulk]

Written history indicates no such thing, and I defy you to show us otherwise...

Well, the best I could do on short notice is a quote from Wikipedia. This is the least provocative quote i could get. All I'm saying is that MOST historical scholars agree that Jesus existed.

Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion.[1] On the other hand, mythologists[2], and a minority[3][4] of biblical and historical scholars argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure, but was a purely symbolic or mythical figure synthesized from various non-Abrahamic deities and heroes.[5]

 

[herald]

One day, He will return as the Judge of all men...if you do not have His Spirit within you, you will burn in the lake of fire, and be destroyed.

He does not force anyone to believe in Him. If you see Him as your Saviour, and ask Him to come into your heart - He will.

 

[s_lone]

One day, He will return as the Judge of all men...if you do not have His Spirit within you, you will burn in the lake of fire, and be destroyed.

Be destroyed? Well... that's not eternal damnation isn't it?

 

[herald]

No, eternal hell comes from Paganism. He said, "The soul that sinneth shall die." At the end of the world, there will be a lake of fire, where the wicked will be destroyed. But, those who have His Spirit within them, will live forever!

My daughter at the age of 2 said, "Mommie, Daddy, Jesus in heart, me Summer!" He makes it so easy, that, even a child can believe in Him.

He is pure love.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

Well, the best I could do on short notice is a quote from Wikipedia. This is the least provocative quote i could get. All I'm saying is that MOST historical scholars agree that Jesus existed.

Most scholars in the fields of biblical studies and history agree that Jesus was a Jewish teacher from Galilee who was regarded as a healer, was baptized by John the Baptist, was accused of sedition against the Roman Empire, and on the orders of Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was sentenced to death by crucifixion.[1] On the other hand, mythologists[2], and a minority[3][4] of biblical and historical scholars argue that Jesus never existed as a historical figure, but was a purely symbolic or mythical figure synthesized from various non-Abrahamic deities and heroes.[5]

No, it says that MOST scholars in the field of biblical studies and history agree...

This statement is pretty misleading, and I read it to mean scholars of biblical studies and biblical history...as scholars who have no agenda to interpret history in the context of the bible do NOT agree...

True historians and archaeologists agree with very little that is written in the bible...about any of the characters written therein...

In fact the lack of evidence for a historical Jesus is far more compelling than anything biblical historians have been able to come up with...

...and it is these biblical scholars that look like assholes every time they find some rock or tomb that they are CERTAIN validates the existence of a historical Jesus, but every time is proven to be a hoax...

There is absolutely NO proof of a historical Jesus...no matter how much the biblical scholars and biblical historians wish it to be so...

 

[Ron in Regina]

One day, He will return as the Judge of all men...if you do not have His Spirit within you, you will burn in the lake of fire, and be destroyed.

He does not force anyone to believe in Him. If you see Him as your Saviour, and ask Him to come into your heart - He will.

Ummmm....herald. Quick question for you. Where do the Buddhists and Moslems and so on and so
forth fit into your view? What with the unpleasant sounding lake of fire and such....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Written history has indicates that a man named Jesus Christ existed. I'm pretty sure that is accurate.

It's not. You'll find this discussed starting on page 28 of the "Does God Exist" thread in Political Debates, but here's the core of it: "There are no independent sources for the story of Jesus, only the traditions of the early church which produced the New Testament. The NT is a product of those traditions, not the source of them. All information about Jesus comes from those traditions and later accounts based on them. That's all there is. There are only four references outside those traditions." Those four references are detailed and explained in the post I extracted that quote from.

 

[Mulk]

No, it says that MOST scholars in the field of biblical studies and history agree...

This statement is pretty misleading, and I read it to mean scholars of biblical studies and biblical history...as scholars who have no agenda to interpret history in the context of the bible do NOT agree...

True historians and archaeologists agree with very little that is written in the bible...about any of the characters written therein...

In fact the lack of evidence for a historical Jesus is far more compelling than anything biblical historians have been able to come up with...

...and it is these biblical scholars that look like assholes every time they find some rock or tomb that they are CERTAIN validates the existence of a historical Jesus, but every time is proven to be a hoax...

There is absolutely NO proof of a historical Jesus...no matter how much the biblical scholars and biblical historians wish it to be so...

You seem really upset about this... did some priest touch your bum when you were a kid?

 

[herald]

It took God to die for our sins...there is no salvation in any other religion. That is why I a so busy in so many Christian forums...to get the Word out.

God is pouring out His Spirit in China, India, Iran, Brazil, Rawanda, Nigeria...and on and on. There are meetings of 2 million people in Nigeria.

Have you heard of St. Malachy's prophecy, posted on the web by the Catholic Church?
He was an Irish Catholic Bishop who visited Rome in 1139 and had a vision of all the popes until the time of the end. He gave details about many of them. He said the last pope would "reign amidst many tribulations," and then the "Dreadful Judge would come and destroy the city." Jesus is coming back as the Judge of all men. If this was a vision from God, there will be, only, one more Pope.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

...if you do not have His Spirit within you, you will burn in the lake of fire, and be destroyed.

He does not force anyone to believe in Him.

But if you don't you get tossed into the lake of fire and destroyed? Sounds like force to me.

 

[herald]

He gives every man a choice to believe in Him or not. He is eternal life, and if He abides in us, we have eternal life.

I have healed the sick, cast out demons, and raised a man from the dead. Not by my might or power, but, by His Spirit being released through me.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

You seem really upset about this... did some priest touch your bum when you were a kid?

I'm not upset at all...emphasis doesn't hurt though...

...and as for your statement about bum touching priests, I myself did not experience such, but a couple Catholic friends of mine ran afoul of the overly avaricious priest...

Didn't affect me at all, except to show me that there is no overcoming ones nature...no matter how much you believe otherwise...

As a skeptic, I have intelligence, logic and reason on my side...
As a believer you have wishful thinking on yours...