The Last Beast Kingdom

[herald]

And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first Beast before him, and causeth the earth and them that dwell therein to worship the first Beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth, in the sight of men. (When James and John wanted to call fire down from heaven as Elijah had done, Jesus said to them, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of!" Lu 9:54,55)

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles, which he had power to do in the sight of the Beast, saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the Beast, which had the wound by the sword, and did live." Rev 13:11-14.

1. "...out of the earth" - a sparsely populated place, in contrast to the first Beast, which arose out of a populated place. Rev 17:15.

2. "...two horns" - no crowns: religious and civil liberty.

3. "...two horns like a Lamb" - a young Christian nation.

4. "...he spake as a Dragon" - "The greatest Superpower the world has ever known."

George Washington said, "Every man conducting himself as a good citizen, and being accountable to God, alone, for his religious options, ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity, according to the dictates of his own conscience."

Benjamin Franklin said, "When religion is good, it will take care of itself. When it's not able to take care of itself, and God does not see fit to take care of it, so that it has to appeal to the civil power for support, it's evidence in my mind that the cause is a bad one."

Ulysses S. Grant said, "Leave the matter of religious teaching to the family altar, the church and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separated."

Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world: if My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight..." John 18:36.

JESUS NEVER USED THE STATE TO FURTHER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

 

[MHz]

Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world: if My Kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight..." John 18:36.

JESUS NEVER USED THE STATE TO FURTHER THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

At the time this was said Judas had just betrayed Jesus in the Garden. Scripture says that Satan had entered into Judas just prior to this act. Why in heavens name would Jesus claim to be a member of that kingdom? He is and has always has been a member of a Holy Kingdom, that is the Kingdom He belonged to when He said those words. This earth will be part of that same kingdom at some point, at present we are still people that are not immune to the temptations of sin.

Actually He left the sword in the hands of Governments as a means of defense against evil. A definition of evil was also given and it is quite narrow rather than broad. That sword, the second sword, can be also used for evil, it depends on the quality of person who controls that sword (governments), some will succeed and others will fail to be just. Consequences also follow these men.
So the state does have a role even if it is not to be the instructor of Scripture. In theory all would be instructors as each opinion carries the same weight, but that theory is not to be, the controllers of the sword also use that sword to improperly control those who should be under the shelter of that sword.

The other points are not really supported by other end-time passages.

 

[Scott Free]

And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Dragons and god are not real but psychotic episodes are.

 

[herald]

Then, how do you interpret those Scriptures?

The Apostle Paul wrote, "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas (Peter); and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?" 1 Cor 1:12,13.

The denominational system was never God's plan for His church. He calls the Catholic/Protestant religious system, "The Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has traded much of the Word of God for her traditions.

"And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins ("the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4), and that ye receive not of HER PLAGUES. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." (lawlessness) Rev 18:4,5.

How do we "Come Out?" By doing as the Bereans: "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the Word with all readiness of mind, searching the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so." Acts 17:11.

Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." John 10:27.

Do you "Keep the Sabbath holy" as our Creator said? Or, do you follow the apostate system? Just as in the garden, it is a question of allegiance. One of the marks of The Antichrist is "...he thinks to change times and laws." Dan 7:25. He, only, "thinks to change," because, no man/institution can over-rule our Creator and change His law. The, only time in His Covenant is the Sabbath. It was the RCC that changed the day to Sunday.

Jesus said, "Not every one that saith, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven.

MANY will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity." (lawlessness) Mt 7:21-23.

We have abused grace: "I am crucified with Christ:nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me." Ga 2:20.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1.

"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31.

In Psalm 119, the word, "Word," is used interchangeably with "law," "commmandments," "precepts," "statutes," "testimonies."

His Word = His law.

Those who continue to transgress His law - His Word, will have a rude awakening on the day of judgment.

Just as Judas arose from within the disciples, so The Antichrist ("false Christ") will arise from within the apostate church.

The Reformers studied Daniel and Revelation and pointed to the office of the Papacy as The Antichrist. Many of them were martyred for such comments. The RCC has used nations and states down through her history to accomplish her ends.

President Reagan and the pope brought down communism in eastern Europe...a foreshadowing of things to come.

 

[Scott Free]

Then, how do you interpret those Scriptures?

Psychotic episode.

 

[darkbeaver]

Scriptures, how I hate the word now. Fables about demented sheep soaked in the blood of some invented traveling minstrel from some nonexistant dust hole recounting desert expeditions that never occured under a sun that never cared and never will.

 

[MHz]

"The denominational system was never God's plan for His church. He calls the Catholic/Protestant religious system, "The Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has traded much of the Word of God for her traditions."

Compared to wayward Israel those Churches are doing quite fine. Lamentations might clear that point up for you as to who God sees as the Harlot.

Scriptures, how I hate the word now. Fables about demented sheep soaked in the blood of some invented traveling minstrel from some nonexistant dust hole recounting desert expeditions that never occured under a sun that never cared and never will.

Yet you feel compelled to read the threads apparently, and then let everyone know you did by posting a reply, of sorts.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

President Reagan and the pope brought down communism in eastern Europe...a foreshadowing of things to come.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything, but I suppose it's no surprise that your understanding of history matches your understanding of scripture.

 

[MHz]

Dexter, if you believe the things Revelation covers is past then your understanding of that particular book isn't any greater than heralds.

 

[darkbeaver]

"The denominational system was never God's plan for His church. He calls the Catholic/Protestant religious system, "The Mother of harlots." Rev 17. She has traded much of the Word of God for her traditions."

Compared to wayward Israel those Churches are doing quite fine. Lamentations might clear that point up for you as to who God sees as the Harlot.


Yet you feel compelled to read the threads apparently, and then let everyone know you did by posting a reply, of sorts.

That's because I'm a concerned citizen who believes christian fanatics should be ridiculed at every oportunity.

 

[jimmoyer]

What would life be without a bogeyman ?

Are we really just re-living a repeating pattern imprinted on us way back early on?

If we don't have a bogeyman, do we look for one?

If we don't have "that situation" do we create one?

 

[darkbeaver]

What would life be without a bogeyman ?

Are we really just re-living a repeating pattern imprinted on us way back early on?

If we don't have a bogeyman, do we look for one?

If we don't have "that situation" do we create one?

God ,in her infinite wisdom, will supply everything the faithful require to complete thier cycle of worship and report back to the head office at termination. Bogeymen are in good supply Jim, have no fear of that. It would be very booring without them I think, we seem to require advercity to bring out the best of us.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Dexter, if you believe the things Revelation covers is past then your understanding of that particular book isn't any greater than heralds.

Yeah sure, believe whatever you want. Actually my understanding of Revelation is considerably greater than yours and Herald's put together. Faith is just another word for not thinking.

 

[MHz]

Your opinion on that comes as no surprise, that doesn't make it a fact though does it Dexter?

That's because I'm a concerned citizen who believes christian fanatics should be ridiculed at every oportunity.

Why stop at just Christian fanatics, why not the fanatics in the gov and all the other places they can and do attempt to hide. They are just as dangerous in those places.

 

[darkbeaver]

Your opinion on that comes as no surprise, that doesn't make it a fact though does it Dexter?



Why stop at just Christian fanatics, why not the fanatics in the gov and all the other places they can and do attempt to hide. They are just as dangerous in those places.

That's a good question MHz and it deserves an honest answer. I don't intend to stop.

 

[Scott Free]

Adamant belief isn't a danger until that belief is used as a weapon against other people. Once that line has been crossed grievous transgressions against liberty is the next logical step. Religion is particularly good at doing this but so is government.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Your opinion on that comes as no surprise, that doesn't make it a fact though does it Dexter?

No, but I can defend my position with a good deal better logic and evidence than you can yours. You and Herald are in a context-free, evidence-free world of make believe on this one. A proper understanding of the historical context in which Revelation was written makes it perfectly clear that it's about what was going on at the time, it's not about our times. Read a little book called A History of the End of the World by Jonathan Kirsch. The weight of evidence and probability is with me.

 

[MHz]

That's a good question MHz and it deserves an honest answer. I don't intend to stop.

I look forward to reading more of your posts then, so does that mean all Christians are fanatics or just a few? Does Scripture promote fanatics or have fanatics used that book to their own ends which actually goes against the words that are in that book?

No, but I can defend my position with a good deal better logic and evidence than you can yours. You and Herald are in a context-free, evidence-free world of make believe on this one. A proper understanding of the historical context in which Revelation was written makes it perfectly clear that it's about what was going on at the time, it's not about our times. Read a little book called A History of the End of the World by Jonathan Kirsch. The weight of evidence and probability is with me.

Before comparing it to our history book you really should have studied what else those 66 books said about those same times.
Dose this link cover the main theme of your suggested reading?
http://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/174theend.htm
(in part)
"But the end-time scenario that motivates Christian Zionists to support Israel in the political arena also instructs them that the Jewish state will ultimately ally itself with the Antichrist—but only until the Antichrist goes to war against his allies and "slaughter two-thirds of all Jews in a Holocaust worse than anything unleashed by Hitler." Only the remnant of Jews who convert to Christianity in the last days will be spared, they believe, and the rest will burn forever in the lake of fire along with Satan himself. (237-8)"

That isn't what the Bible says will happen, if the author gets that wrong then what hope is there that his rebuttal is correct? Not much if any.

I already know you main argument is around the words "must happen shortly" but you fail to consider all the other words about the same events that are covered in the other books of the Bible, if you did you would see how that is meant to be understood. You didn't do that and you are left with your own version of what Revelation actually means. A little sad really that a book written for money (your suggested reading) holds more authority with you than one that is written just to give us some information with no monetary cost at all. Perhaps that is a reason you hold little regard for the Bible.