Did Jesus Struggle Like you Do?

May 14th, 2007, 09:13 PM

Did Jesus struggle? YES!
Besides being fully divine, Jesus was also fully human. That means that He had to learn to live the Sermon on the Mount long before He preached it. He had to discover how to love His enemies. Doing good to people who hurt or opposed Him was sometimes difficult for Him, just as it is for us. He didn't always like giving to everyone who asked or stole from Him. Although He never sinned, He had to grow in spiritual maturity. Hebrews 2:10 says that He was not fully perfect until he suffered on Good Friday.
Jesus practiced holy living one day at a time. Some days were harder than others, but He grew from his experiences, and He learned to overcome His struggles. The only real difference between Jesus and us is that Jesus never gave in to the temptation to give up the struggles and succumb to sin. When He preached the Sermon on the Mount, He did not ask us to do anything that He had not already personally worked through. He truly understands what we go through as we struggle not to sin.
Even the words He chose for the “Our Father” prayer came out of His own needs and experiences. Take a look at the Lord’s prayer from His perspective. Let’s imagine what He might have prayed as a young adult:
Our Father in heaven, the One who gave me this human life, the One who gave life to every person who was ever conceived and who ever will be conceived. You made me a brother of that man who came into my carpenter shop to order a storage chest for his tailor shop. He was so demanding and picky and unreasonable that I wanted to throw him out, but instead, I worked extra hard to do my best work for him. And how did he reward me? With more complaints and a refusal to pay the full amount of his bill. Is that fair? No! But You, O God, love him anyway. He is my brother, and so I choose to love him, too. Help me to love him the way you love him.
Hallowed be Your Name. I want to revere You in everything I do. I want to be a witness of how wonderful You are by the way I live my life. Use me to make a difference in others. Show me how to help others revere You. Give me an opportunity to reveal to that tailor how much You love him. Maybe I can find a good deed to do for him. But what I long for most, my Father, is to reach multitudes of people with Your love. In the meantime, I'll work at evangelizing the few people You've put in my life right now.
Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Sometimes, Father, I think You're not using me to my fullest potential. I could be doing so much more if I weren't stuck in this carpenter shop. I know Mother needs me. I understand that she and other relatives depend on the income I earn, now that Dad's gone. But I feel frustrated sometimes. How long must I limit my usefulness to carpentry work and a few good discussions in the synagogue? How long must I practice patience with unreasonable tailors and grumpy fishermen and the others who come into my shop? They're only interested in themselves; most of them don't listen to me when I try to tell them the advantages of holy living. Send me to people who are ready to listen! Why are you keeping me here? Yes, Father, I trust that You know the perfect timing for everything. Therefore, I pray that Your will, not mine, be done in my life in this town in this job with these people—just as completely as Your will is always done in heaven.
Give us today our daily bread. Please give me and my family and my neighbors and my customers—everyone who's part of this community of brothers and sisters in which You've placed me—whatever it is that we need today to do Your will. Give my tailor-brother an awareness of the love You're showering upon him, so that he can be healed of the insecurities that make him so fearful of being cheated. And give me more of Your patience so that doing good to him becomes easier. I also need patience to be truly satisfied with the life and the job and the small town I am in today.
Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who've sinned against us. Thank you, Father, for giving me the strength to resist sin. I pray on behalf of my brothers and sisters who do succumb to sin. Since we are all part of the same community as Your children, I accept their guilt as my own. Forgive us, Father, for we don't understand what we're doing when we sin. We don't realize how we’re actually hurting everyone, including ourselves, when we choose to disobey Your will. And Father, because I personally have been hurt by the sins of the others, I ask You not to hold this against them, for I choose to forgive them.
Do not subject us to the test, but protect us from being led into temptation, and deliver us from the evil one. Your faith is our shield that protects us from sin, but to rely on You we must turn to You. So for myself and on behalf of the others, I ask for Your divine help. You have given each of us the strength we need to resist the evil one; help us learn to use that strength. It is only through Your power that we can obey Your will; help us to continue to grow in the free use of that power, so that the struggle between the flesh and the spirit is more quickly ended. You've taught me that the most effective way to resist temptation is to do the opposite of what the evil one wants me to do; help me to do that more readily. If I'm ever tempted again to throw that tailor out of my shop, help me to more speedily make him feel welcome. And strengthen everyone in my human community. Help us to love our enemies, to do good to those who hate us, to bless those who curse us, and to pray for those who treat us badly. Help us to overcome temptation by becoming instruments of Your infinitely powerful and totally unconditional love.
And use me, Father, to deliver all of my human family from the evil one. For You have so loved the world that You've sent me to manifest Your love, that whosoever believes in me shall have everlasting life. Thank You for hearing my prayer. Amen!

May 14th, 2007, 11:30 PM

The difference was that Jesus' struggle was volitional whereas most of us don't have the same luxury he did. Jesus could call for as many angels as he wished to get whatever he wanted:

Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

72,000 angels to do his bidding. Do you have such a luxury? I don't.

May 15th, 2007, 01:36 AM

As the story goes...he suffered...I have no doubt about that...as the STORY goes...what happened in reality...I have no clue.

Personally, based on the knowledge that we possess now, I believe that jesus was a schizophrenic or had sever bipolar disorder. Nowdays, if someone claims to be the son of god...or has such thoughts of grandeur, they are hospitalized. I believe he was mentally ill.

May 15th, 2007, 02:00 AM

I thought Jesus = God? (ie the trinity). or is that not true?

May 15th, 2007, 04:44 AM

He was of two natures, fully God and fully man..Part of the mystery of faith

May 15th, 2007, 06:00 AM

How do you know you have picked the right god? There are lots of different gods about and even more in the past. You can't all be right can you?

May 15th, 2007, 06:27 AM

He personally came down and told me, ok?

May 15th, 2007, 07:07 AM

He didn't say anything about that 10 spot I owe him, did He?

nice meditation, Padre. thanks.

May 15th, 2007, 07:36 AM

We are eternally grateful for all he had done for man.

AndyF

May 15th, 2007, 08:19 AM

Alright Sanctus....I like that answer. It cracked me up...

I saw that my idea wasn't answered to, and I'm not saying that I am right, but it is something that I have thought and wondered about.

May 15th, 2007, 09:49 AM

I'll chime in on that. Shooting the messenger is by no means a modern technique. Jesus himself managed to gun down the best dirt his opponents ever got on him. If he were off his rocker he did a pretty good job of not feeding the wrong story. NOBODY is that lucky.

May 15th, 2007, 09:57 AM

If Jesus "struggled" it was because his "Father" placed him in the contrary position of both god and human being...representing neither effectively.

It's a myth...god...Jesus....cannibalism as a milestone of faith....

Humanity should have outgrown the god myth but with entire cathedrals of greed and the political sway that can potentially be manifested by the "believer" comminity....

Baaaaa Baaaa Baaaaa

Follow.....don't think for yourself and don't imagine for a moment that the "believer" community won't behave just as corruptly and just as illegally as the system of government you also "believe" in...

Baaaa Baaaa Baaaa

May 15th, 2007, 10:27 AM

So, God is fully human? I mean, I've always learned that if a=b, and b=c, then a=c. So, if God=Jesus, and Jesus=Human, then God=Human.

May 15th, 2007, 10:43 AM

GC

Clearly you don't understand!

When it serves the morality of the believer to call Jesus a divine being...that's what he's called...
When it serves the behorioral conditioning of the believer community to call Jesus a "man" that's what he's called...

Because there isn't an ounce of truth or proof to this myth or any believer mythologies...the believer can pick and choose...can orchestrate the "understanding" of what some gesture or some ascribed statement "means"....

god doesn't like homosexuals...so you can oppress and revile them but Jesus had a female to wash his feet with oil....you make the conclusion....

The god myth like every other religion is a mosaic of pick and choose...of emphasis on one issue or doctrinal point while excluding more inconvenient truths....

It's a shell game...always has been and always will be...

May 15th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Who is we?

May 15th, 2007, 02:39 PM

Why suppose God provided a vehicle where by we may have safe passage with?

Peace>>>AJ

May 15th, 2007, 02:45 PM

Find me one individual in all humanity that would stand in the gap between heaven and hell for us?
If you can find Him, then you will know who He is without a doubt!

Is that not the question of the ages?

Peace>>>AJ

May 15th, 2007, 03:03 PM

I suppose it all depends on definition. If someone on earth who has a positive influence on, say, someone who was in a gang, and got them off the streets and on a more productive path...were they not the gap between heaven and hell for that individual?