Wyoming Priest Denies Communion to Lesbian Activist Couple “Married” in Canada


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By Peter J. Smith

GILLETTE, Wyoming, March 12, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An activist lesbian couple “married” in Canada may no longer receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church, after having been told by their pastor that their homosexual behavior and advocacy of same-sex unions prevent them from being Catholics in good standing.

The News-Record, a Gillette newspaper, reports that Rev. Cliff Jacobson, pastor of St. Mathew’s Catholic Church, informed Leah Vader and Lynne Huskinson by letter that “because of your union and your public advocacy of same-sex unions, that you are unable to receive communion.”

Rev. Jacobson told the News-Record that Vader and Huskinson’s public advocacy of same-sex “marriage” created a public scandal mandating the church to take action with support from the Cheyenne Diocese. Vader and Huskinson, who attended St. Matthew’s since 1998 and later were “married” in Canada, wrote a number of newspaper articles advocating same-sex “marriage” and vociferously opposed a marriage bill that would prevent Wyoming from recognizing same-sex “marriages” from other states, such as their own.

“We’re not the bedroom police,” said Rev. Jacobson. “That ultimately comes between the person and God, but it puts it in a much different light with a public nature.”

“It’s the idea of scandal, we profess our faith and belief as Catholics on one level, and practice something else at a public level.”

The letter shocked Vader, who described herself as having “grown up” in the Catholic Church, attended Catholic school, and received Holy Communion every week until forbidden by Rev. Jacobson’s March 1 letter.

“This is the one food we all need,” Vader told the News-Record. “Of all the sacraments, it’s the one that should be taken frequently.”

“It’s surprising that it’s so specific and personal and being done through this letter,” Vader remarked, adding that the Church’s action “sends a big fat message to gay people.”

However, reception of Holy Communion is not an unrestricted right in the Church, and the confusion created by the lesbian couple’s self-proclaimed behavior required Rev. Jacobson to enforce canon law 915: “Those [...] who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.”

According to the Catholic Church, same-sex “marriage” is impossible, because Divine law decrees marriage to be a permanent exclusive union of a man and a woman for their mutual assistance and the procreation of children. The Church also teaches homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and contravene God’s plan for human sexuality in marriage.
 
csanopal
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Good for him! We need more priests like this!
 
snfu73
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I say we need more couples like this couple!
 
DurkaDurka
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Does the church deny communion to priests involved in molesting boys?
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Does the church deny communion to priests involved in molesting boys?

Nope....they hide and protect them...it would look bad if anyone found out about that, now, wouldn't it.
 
DurkaDurka
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Nope....they hide and protect them

Exactly, recycle them to another parish and pretend it didn't happen.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Does the church deny communion to priests involved in molesting boys?


GOOD question! I know they have their rules ........hell give them MY number and the next circle I have they can have wine and cakes with ME!
 
snfu73
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Exactly, recycle them to another parish and pretend it didn't happen.

And I do think it is things like that that has really hurt the church...and rightly so. It's kinda hard to take the church seriously when things like these happen.
 
tamarin
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I assume molesters once they recant their obsession receive communion. I assume the gay couple in hand would likewise be received. Will they.. or will they simply seek a church that supports their views? Lots of affiliations around.
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

I assume molesters once they recant their obsession receive communion. I assume the gay couple in hand would likewise be received. Will they.. or will they simply seek a church that supports their views? Lots of affiliations around.

But it's pretty scary that an organization exists that would toss out people because they wanted to commit to one eachother...two people who are in love. It's too bad so much focus is put on the genders involved, and not enough on the love that is involved.
 
tamarin
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Reminds me of all the girls who wanted to join boy scout troops at the zenith of feminist hysteria. Should an organization bend to the whims of those who obviously - for whatever reason - don't belong?
 
snfu73
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Reminds me of all the girls who wanted to join boy scout troops at the zenith of feminist hysteria. Should an organization bend to the whims of those who obviously - for whatever reason - don't belong?

Why don't they belong? Girls can't earn badges? What's up?
 
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Reminds me of all the girls who wanted to join boy scout troops at the zenith of feminist hysteria. Should an organization bend to the whims of those who obviously - for whatever reason - don't belong?

I would hope that church is the one place thats all inclusive...........God made ya all.........Goddess made me, I shine But EVERYONE is welcome at my Circle too. Ive had catholics, bible thumpers, heathers athiests alike.
 
tamarin
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Sniff, girls can join Guides.

Self, it is great to be inclusive but organizations should be able to set their own standards of admission. And there are all sorts of churches available. I wouldn't expect a Jewish congregation to welcome me if I insisted on reading from the New Testament. Or a mosque to accept me if I demanded I be able to stand during prayers.
The couple will find a church that's responsive to their needs.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Sniff, girls can join Guides.

Self, it is great to be inclusive but organizations should be able to set their own standards of admission. And there are all sorts of churches available. I wouldn't expect a Jewish congregation to welcome me if I insisted on reading from the New Testament. Or a mosque to accept me if I demanded I be able to stand during prayers.
The couple will find a church that's responsive to their needs.

But...WAIT...the catholic church says it is the ONLY true religion....so, to be cast off by them....well...what's the POINT of going to another religion? No other religion is real!

So, what if it were a black couple involved? Would it still be okay for the church to cast them out if they stumbled upon a passage in the bible that was interpreted to mean that black couples weren't welcome in the catholic church? Should society accept that sort of discrimination?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Sniff, girls can join Guides.

Self, it is great to be inclusive but organizations should be able to set their own standards of admission. And there are all sorts of churches available. I wouldn't expect a Jewish congregation to welcome me if I insisted on reading from the New Testament. Or a mosque to accept me if I demanded I be able to stand during prayers.
The couple will find a church that's responsive to their needs.

Well, in my faith I except everyone. I guess Im more........tolerant
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Sniff, girls can join Guides.

Self, it is great to be inclusive but organizations should be able to set their own standards of admission. And there are all sorts of churches available. I wouldn't expect a Jewish congregation to welcome me if I insisted on reading from the New Testament. Or a mosque to accept me if I demanded I be able to stand during prayers.
The couple will find a church that's responsive to their needs.

Sure...guides...yes...gotta keep those boys and girls seperated...teach the girls about sewing and other good girl stuff...while the boys build fires and tent. Yes indeed, gotta keep the genders in line...gotta keep them intrenched in their narrow roles!
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by tamarinView Post

Reminds me of all the girls who wanted to join boy scout troops at the zenith of feminist hysteria. Should an organization bend to the whims of those who obviously - for whatever reason - don't belong?

My kids are both in scouts. My son and my daughter.
 
Dezzarai
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hi I'm new here and i was just looking through the site when this caught my eye. I personally think that the church has the right to deny communion to anyone they want. If I was gay and the church beleived homosexuality to be wrong or evil, I wouldn't be in that church! I would make my own church, possibly based on catholocism, but allowing homosexuality. Wouldn't it be easier to pray by yourselves at home than to do it with people who beleived you to be evil?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DezzaraiView Post

hi I'm new here and i was just looking through the site when this caught my eye. I personally think that the church has the right to deny communion to anyone they want. If I was gay and the church beleived homosexuality to be wrong or evil, I wouldn't be in that church! I would make my own church, possibly based on catholocism, but allowing homosexuality. Wouldn't it be easier to pray by yourselves at home than to do it with people who beleived you to be evil?

Hail and welcome

Since your new I'll be gentle Both those women have been brought up in the church and it was stated that the ONLY reason they are being denied is that the are activists......if the werent vocal the church would allow , as they had all their lives , to accept the ucherist. Now in my Pagan book thats called hypocracy.....and if I remember my CCD days , christ turned over a temple for hypocrites

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Kreskin
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Good point. Why would anyone give a hoot about this Priest and his church? You couldn't pay me to join his congregation.
 
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Good point. Why would anyone give a hoot about this Priest and his church? You couldn't pay me to join his congregation.

Would you allow someone to kick you out of your own house?
 
Dezzarai
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I do think that they should be allowed to do whatever they want outside of the church. But I know that if I was the preist, I might feel uncomfortable giving communion to someone who I beleive to be unworthy of it. And the priest, being catholic, probably is uncomfortable. It is his beleif that homosexuals are wrong in the eyes of God, and sinners. So he doesn't want to give them communion. and if I were them, I would respect that and try to find somewhere else to practise their religion.

(by the way, I just read that last post, and It is as much his house as theirs, isn't it? )
Last edited by Dezzarai; Mar 16th, 2007 at 11:26 PM..Reason: just read that last post
 
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Would you allow someone to kick you out of your own house?

His church isn't anyone's house. It's a place of neanderthal brainwashing. It's about as relevant to me as the KKK. I would send him a thank you letter for showing me the door and providing me the opportunity to get de-programmed.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DezzaraiView Post

I do think that they should be allowed to do whatever they want outside of the church. But I know that if I was the preist, I might feel uncomfortable giving communion to someone who I beleive to be unworthy of it. And the priest, being catholic, probably is uncomfortable. It is his beleif that homosexuals are wrong in the eyes of God, and sinners. So he doesn't want to give them communion. and if I were them, I would respect that and try to find somewhere else to practise their religion.

(by the way, I just read that last post, and It is as much his house as theirs, isn't it? )

So all of a sudden its unconfortable to continue giving them communion that they have been partaking of all along. hmmm And of course sinse its an uncomfortable situation its only right that the two lesbians shut their mouths and leave empy handed because the church is no longer comfortable giving them communion in a church they grew up in. Interesting. WWJD

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(by the way, I just read that last post, and It is as much his house as theirs, isn't it? )

according to your rules he has all the rights
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

His church isn't anyone's house. It's a place of neanderthal brainwashing. It's about as relevant to me as the KKK. I would send him a thank you letter for showing me the door and providing me the opportunity to get de-programmed.

ROTFLMFAO!!!! Ithought you were going soft on me!
 
Dezzarai
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He is preaching certain beleifs. they are openly promoting other beliefs. the members of the congregation are choosing to go to listen to him talk about one...well I guess you could say one interpretation of the bible. The lesbian couple have a different interpretation of the bible. If I was them I would just leave and make or find a church that uses their interpretation of the bible. The church was established to teach people about the bible as they interpret it.
 
karrie
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It boils down to one simple issue.... should there, or should there not, be freedom of religion.

Should you, Self, be allowed to wear symbols of your paganism in public?

Should I be allowed to wear a cross around my neck?

Should Muslim women be allowed to wear their hijabs?

Should Jews be allowed to circumcise their sons?

Should Catholics be allowed to maintain an ancient belief that homosexuality is a sin?

You can't have one freedom without the others. Yes, we may not like a lot of it. But freedom of religion is freedom of religion. I wish the church would change. I do what I can. I talk where I can, I push where I can.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by DezzaraiView Post

He is preaching certain beleifs. they are openly promoting other beliefs. the members of the congregation are choosing to go to listen to him talk about one...well I guess you could say one interpretation of the bible. The lesbian couple have a different interpretation of the bible. If I was them I would just leave and make or find a church that uses their interpretation of the bible. The church was established to teach people about the bible as they interpret it.


uh huh as i said shut your mouth and quietly leave...........
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by selfactivatedView Post

So all of a sudden its unconfortable to continue giving them communion that they have been partaking of all along. hmmm And of course sinse its an uncomfortable situation its only right that the two lesbians shut their mouths and leave empy handed because the church is no longer comfortable giving them communion in a church they grew up in. Interesting. WWJD



according to your rules he has all the rights



As I understand it, a religion, or cult if you will, lays out it's rules which are to be adhered to by the fellowship. One is under no obligation to join the cult and follow it's rules. (baptism and confirmation in the Catholic faith are not choices the child makes and therefore are null and void). If, however, one decides that a certain faith or belief system is in line with their views, they join and follow as a good little sheep do regardless of which cult they join. If certain aspects of the belief are not in line with a person's thinking then they should remove themselves from it.

Would you be so adamant in this stance of yours should I decide that certain Pagan beliefs are a crock of shyte, unfair or, immoral and thus force not only you, but the thousands of others who follow that belief to change the rules? I would think that some offence would be taken but according to your posts here, it should be no issue whatsoever.
 

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