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March 13th, 2007, 12:39 PM
I have a mixture of feelings in my, "not" so religious mind. I had a thorough catholic early education,
and religious experience, and, even though I have since walked away from the "belief" in any god, I
still have the knowledge of the catholic early upbringing and schooling, which I think has been very
beneficial.
Most young people I hear talking about religion, (who don't believe) don't have a "clue' what religion
is all about, and they make up their own "version", which in most part is inaccurate.
I encouraged my children to "learn" all about religion so they could make an "intelligent" decision re:
their own direction they would take regarding, their own religious/non religious lives.
I like the discipline of religion, I like the community, as they help and support each other, and I miss
that, but can't join in, as it would be a "hoax" on my part, as I would just be "playing".
I even miss doing the rosary, for as a child I loved my rosary, and used to go to Vancouver on the bus,
by myself, just to go to the catholic store, to check them out, and pick out a new one.
That store was close to the Holy Rosary Cathedral, and I would walk in to that church, and become
awe struck by the "feelings" that came over me while in there. As a child, everything about the
catholic experience was kind of intimidating, for as a little girl, it was all so "above" me, and I
obeyed everything about it.
I am very conservative,(not politics), which fits into a religious life, but I don't believe in a god, so
I am somewhere inbetween. Can't completely walk away, but can't join in either.
I have a mixture of feelings in my, "not" so religious mind. I had a thorough catholic early education,
and religious experience, and, even though I have since walked away from the "belief" in any god, I
still have the knowledge of the catholic early upbringing and schooling, which I think has been very
beneficial.
Most young people I hear talking about religion, (who don't believe) don't have a "clue' what religion
is all about, and they make up their own "version", which in most part is inaccurate.
I encouraged my children to "learn" all about religion so they could make an "intelligent" decision re:
their own direction they would take regarding, their own religious/non religious lives.
I like the discipline of religion, I like the community, as they help and support each other, and I miss
that, but can't join in, as it would be a "hoax" on my part, as I would just be "playing".
I even miss doing the rosary, for as a child I loved my rosary, and used to go to Vancouver on the bus,
by myself, just to go to the catholic store, to check them out, and pick out a new one.
That store was close to the Holy Rosary Cathedral, and I would walk in to that church, and become
awe struck by the "feelings" that came over me while in there. As a child, everything about the
catholic experience was kind of intimidating, for as a little girl, it was all so "above" me, and I
obeyed everything about it.
I am very conservative,(not politics), which fits into a religious life, but I don't believe in a god, so
I am somewhere inbetween. Can't completely walk away, but can't join in either.
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March 13th, 2007, 01:16 PM
to fit with A.J. and my posts back and forth, he can be very confusing at times, but he has a good
heart, and gets trashed a lot.
Thanks for the love
Quoting china
Oops, sorry China, I read the body of the post, and not the name, won't do that again, it just seemed
I'm not A.J. , I,m China.
Thanks anyway
Thanks anyway
to fit with A.J. and my posts back and forth, he can be very confusing at times, but he has a good
heart, and gets trashed a lot.
Thanks for the love
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March 13th, 2007, 03:39 PM
Quoting look3467
You've got an in with the man 3467, next time you're talking to him run the idea of the rest of us by him. Let us know what the plan is will you. thanks
I make room for no one, only Jesus can. Each soul who is born from above gets to enjoy the benefits of His kingdom.
I can only declare what He has given me to understand.
And yes, there is room for all of us. Wouldn't it be nice to know it now rather than at our departure from this earth?
Just imagine , what peace, what joy,and what contentment we could enjoy in the midst of wars, political upheavals, and general unrest in the world?
To know that we are secure in Him, puts our souls to rest, and come what may, we know we are covered should we die.
Therefore lets live as though we're already there , but just awaiting our time, and making the best we can to of that time to help others .
Peace>>>AJ
I can only declare what He has given me to understand.
And yes, there is room for all of us. Wouldn't it be nice to know it now rather than at our departure from this earth?
Just imagine , what peace, what joy,and what contentment we could enjoy in the midst of wars, political upheavals, and general unrest in the world?
To know that we are secure in Him, puts our souls to rest, and come what may, we know we are covered should we die.
Therefore lets live as though we're already there , but just awaiting our time, and making the best we can to of that time to help others .
Peace>>>AJ
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March 13th, 2007, 06:40 PM
I will have to explain to him, that it will bring back soft, secure, childlike memories that are comforting.
He will understand. I look forward to going to "that" store again to purchase a rosary. But I have
to be honest, and admit, that I will just be playing, and remembering.
I will do it, for "anything" that is good, I like that.
Sorry Sanctus, if that is desrespectful.
Quoting china
I think I will, as it will be a very calming experience. My husband will think I have lost my marbles, talloola ......Love is everywhere ; just pray the Rosary and meditate on the Holy Mysteries or anything that is good .
I will have to explain to him, that it will bring back soft, secure, childlike memories that are comforting.
He will understand. I look forward to going to "that" store again to purchase a rosary. But I have
to be honest, and admit, that I will just be playing, and remembering.
I will do it, for "anything" that is good, I like that.
Sorry Sanctus, if that is desrespectful.
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March 13th, 2007, 07:16 PM
Not sure why this question is in the christian forum.
I have a religious mind. I believe in a god. Wether that god is a currently unkown physical phenomena that caused the universe that we live in to develop as it has or an old white dude in flowing robes with a long white beard who snapped his fingers and said "Let there be light". I have no idea. It may not even be possible to no that.
It is the journey not the destination that is the fun part usually.
Not sure why this question is in the christian forum.
I have a religious mind. I believe in a god. Wether that god is a currently unkown physical phenomena that caused the universe that we live in to develop as it has or an old white dude in flowing robes with a long white beard who snapped his fingers and said "Let there be light". I have no idea. It may not even be possible to no that.
It is the journey not the destination that is the fun part usually.
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March 14th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Hey, talloola…….
Isn’t it wonderful to be forgiving? (Calling me china?) No big deal to me but, you know, that gives me an opportunity to say the following:
You know, no body in this world can control our power to forgive! I mean this world can throw everything but the kitchen sink at us, but they could never stop our forgiving power over them.
Take Jesus for instance, He could with His power call down fire from heaven and consumed all His perpetrators.
If you have seen the movie “Passion of the Christ” by Mel Gibson, you would have seen a glimpse of Christ’s enduring the whip lashing to the point where it was like if He was asking them, “come on, take out all your bent up hate and frustrations on me, I want every bit of it”
Mankind’s wrath is anger against God! An anger that resides in every human being that has to be tamed. Why?
Because mankind was: subjected to this hellish environment without one’s consent as like blaming God for this miserable existence.
So, unless we come to terms with that anger with understanding, we shall continue to hold resentments against God.
So with God, it is a very understandable behavior therefore He is very forgiving.
His answer is extrapolated by His words and actions as the suffering Christ.
He will take the anger away from Mankind upon Himself, nail it to the cross and grant forgiveness as a way of God showing us that He loves us dearly.
So every soul that crucifies Christ (Meaning places ones own sins on Him) will get forgiveness and be accepted into the beloved and no longer hold any anger towards God for our sufferings.
The world (Meaning all none believers) can not understand or comprehend that, until they can take out their anger on Christ.
I’m not sure if you can see what I am trying to say. What I am saying is of no ill will to unbelievers, but instead as a call of compassion as God sees it.
Can you understand why I have compassion for all folk, believer and unbeliever alike?
I get hacked from both sides, yet I can sustain the blows with forgiveness. That, they can not touch!
It is my choice to be forgiving. So, I require it from no one!
God only changes hearts, I can only forgive!
I am grateful for your honesty in how you feel. That only shows your heart is speaking and not your mind.
You are a mother, and a mother knows what love is, for she yearns to give it from her heart to her children.
And the children, many times, misinterpret it. If they only knew!
Peace>>>AJ
Hey, talloola…….
Isn’t it wonderful to be forgiving? (Calling me china?) No big deal to me but, you know, that gives me an opportunity to say the following:
You know, no body in this world can control our power to forgive! I mean this world can throw everything but the kitchen sink at us, but they could never stop our forgiving power over them.
Take Jesus for instance, He could with His power call down fire from heaven and consumed all His perpetrators.
If you have seen the movie “Passion of the Christ” by Mel Gibson, you would have seen a glimpse of Christ’s enduring the whip lashing to the point where it was like if He was asking them, “come on, take out all your bent up hate and frustrations on me, I want every bit of it”
Mankind’s wrath is anger against God! An anger that resides in every human being that has to be tamed. Why?
Because mankind was: subjected to this hellish environment without one’s consent as like blaming God for this miserable existence.
So, unless we come to terms with that anger with understanding, we shall continue to hold resentments against God.
So with God, it is a very understandable behavior therefore He is very forgiving.
His answer is extrapolated by His words and actions as the suffering Christ.
He will take the anger away from Mankind upon Himself, nail it to the cross and grant forgiveness as a way of God showing us that He loves us dearly.
So every soul that crucifies Christ (Meaning places ones own sins on Him) will get forgiveness and be accepted into the beloved and no longer hold any anger towards God for our sufferings.
The world (Meaning all none believers) can not understand or comprehend that, until they can take out their anger on Christ.
I’m not sure if you can see what I am trying to say. What I am saying is of no ill will to unbelievers, but instead as a call of compassion as God sees it.
Can you understand why I have compassion for all folk, believer and unbeliever alike?
I get hacked from both sides, yet I can sustain the blows with forgiveness. That, they can not touch!
It is my choice to be forgiving. So, I require it from no one!
God only changes hearts, I can only forgive!
I am grateful for your honesty in how you feel. That only shows your heart is speaking and not your mind.
You are a mother, and a mother knows what love is, for she yearns to give it from her heart to her children.
And the children, many times, misinterpret it. If they only knew!
Peace>>>AJ
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March 14th, 2007, 01:46 AM
Some of them see and understand it early on, and some of them are "enlightened" later in their
young adult life. A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. She is an individual, and also has a
life to live, and should do so.
Quoting look3467
Yeah, if only they knew, but they will eventually understand many things through their own children.
Hey, talloola…….
Isn’t it wonderful to be forgiving? (Calling me china?) No big deal to me but, you know, that gives me an opportunity to say the following:
You know, no body in this world can control our power to forgive! I mean this world can throw everything but the kitchen sink at us, but they could never stop our forgiving power over them.
Take Jesus for instance, He could with His power call down fire from heaven and consumed all His perpetrators.
If you have seen the movie “Passion of the Christ” by Mel Gibson, you would have seen a glimpse of Christ’s enduring the whip lashing to the point where it was like if He was asking them, “come on, take out all your bent up hate and frustrations on m,e I want every bit of it”
Mankind’s wrath is anger against God! An anger that resides in every human being that has to be tamed. Why?
Because mankind was: subjected to this hellish environment without one’s consent as like blaming God for this miserable existence.
So, unless we come to terms with that anger with understanding, we shall continue to hold resentments against God.
So with God, it is a very understandable behavior therefore He is very forgiving.
His answer is extrapolated by His words and actions as the suffering Christ.
He will take the anger away from Mankind upon Himself, nail it to the cross and grant forgiveness as a way of God showing us that He loves us dearly.
So every soul that crucifies Christ (Meaning places ones own sins on Him) will get forgiveness and be accepted into the beloved and no longer hold any anger towards God for our sufferings.
The world (Meaning all none believers) can not understand or comprehend that, until they can take out their anger on Christ.
I’m not sure if you can see what I am trying to say. What I am saying is of no ill will to unbelievers, but instead as a call of compassion as God sees it.
Can you understand why I have compassion for all folk, believer and unbeliever alike?
I get hacked from both sides, yet I can sustain the blows with forgiveness. That, they can not touch!
It is my choice to be forgiving. So, I require it from no one!
God only changes hearts, I can only forgive!
I am grateful for your honesty in how you feel. That only shows your heart is speaking and not your mind.
You are a mother, and a mother knows what love is, for she yearns to give it from her heart to her children.
And the children, many times, misinterpret it. If they only knew!
Peace>>>AJ
Isn’t it wonderful to be forgiving? (Calling me china?) No big deal to me but, you know, that gives me an opportunity to say the following:
You know, no body in this world can control our power to forgive! I mean this world can throw everything but the kitchen sink at us, but they could never stop our forgiving power over them.
Take Jesus for instance, He could with His power call down fire from heaven and consumed all His perpetrators.
If you have seen the movie “Passion of the Christ” by Mel Gibson, you would have seen a glimpse of Christ’s enduring the whip lashing to the point where it was like if He was asking them, “come on, take out all your bent up hate and frustrations on m,e I want every bit of it”
Mankind’s wrath is anger against God! An anger that resides in every human being that has to be tamed. Why?
Because mankind was: subjected to this hellish environment without one’s consent as like blaming God for this miserable existence.
So, unless we come to terms with that anger with understanding, we shall continue to hold resentments against God.
So with God, it is a very understandable behavior therefore He is very forgiving.
His answer is extrapolated by His words and actions as the suffering Christ.
He will take the anger away from Mankind upon Himself, nail it to the cross and grant forgiveness as a way of God showing us that He loves us dearly.
So every soul that crucifies Christ (Meaning places ones own sins on Him) will get forgiveness and be accepted into the beloved and no longer hold any anger towards God for our sufferings.
The world (Meaning all none believers) can not understand or comprehend that, until they can take out their anger on Christ.
I’m not sure if you can see what I am trying to say. What I am saying is of no ill will to unbelievers, but instead as a call of compassion as God sees it.
Can you understand why I have compassion for all folk, believer and unbeliever alike?
I get hacked from both sides, yet I can sustain the blows with forgiveness. That, they can not touch!
It is my choice to be forgiving. So, I require it from no one!
God only changes hearts, I can only forgive!
I am grateful for your honesty in how you feel. That only shows your heart is speaking and not your mind.
You are a mother, and a mother knows what love is, for she yearns to give it from her heart to her children.
And the children, many times, misinterpret it. If they only knew!
Peace>>>AJ
Some of them see and understand it early on, and some of them are "enlightened" later in their
young adult life. A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. She is an individual, and also has a
life to live, and should do so.
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March 14th, 2007, 02:58 AM
A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. (immaturity)
That word "should" tells me that it is optional. Should it rather be "Unconditional"?
For if we are concerned about our own existence above theirs, then it will not be "unconditional" but should continue if we can.............. or should.
As a father, my love for my kids is unconditional. There is nothing they can do to destroy that, because it is within me to love them regardless.
They can fall out of my graces, my approval, which would cause them to distance themselves from me, but I could never reject them to the point of un-forgiveness.
Our Heavenly Father is such a Father that loves us unconditionally. No matter how far we distance ourselves from Him!
Peace>>>AJ
A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. (immaturity)
That word "should" tells me that it is optional. Should it rather be "Unconditional"?
For if we are concerned about our own existence above theirs, then it will not be "unconditional" but should continue if we can.............. or should.
As a father, my love for my kids is unconditional. There is nothing they can do to destroy that, because it is within me to love them regardless.
They can fall out of my graces, my approval, which would cause them to distance themselves from me, but I could never reject them to the point of un-forgiveness.
Our Heavenly Father is such a Father that loves us unconditionally. No matter how far we distance ourselves from Him!
Peace>>>AJ
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March 14th, 2007, 12:16 PM
[quote=look3467;805113]A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. (immaturity)
That word "should" tells me that it is optional. Should it rather be "Unconditional"?
Some mothers "can't" continue to love their children and "not" be troubled by their lack of understanding and maturity. They don't have the intestinal fortitude to do so, but they should, for their own happiness.
For if we are concerned about our own existence above theirs, then it will not be "unconditional" but should continue if we can.............. or should.
A parent who is capable of have his/her individual existence continue, while parenting, has, in
my opinion, achieved the ultimate in parenting. Your own existence is not "above" your childrens, but apart from, just as their's is apart from you. They then, can see that you are
not living through your children, you are a "person" with your own identity.
As a father, my love for my kids is unconditional. There is nothing they can do to destroy that, because it is within me to love them regardless.
As a mother, I agree.
They can fall out of my graces, my approval, which would cause them to distance themselves from me, but I could never reject them to the point of un-forgiveness.
Of course, I agree with that, one should be able to forgive "almost" anyone.( I have to leaveI little space for those so evil, I will not give them the priviledge of my forgiveness, sorry.)That is my right for myself, as I don't have to obey any "god", so I have some rules that belong
to "only" me.
Our Heavenly Father is such a Father that loves us unconditionally. No matter how far we distance ourselves from Him!
I don't have a heavenly father, my father died 25 yrs. ago., and even he, wasn't heavenly.
[quote=look3467;805113]A good mother can and should "continue" to love her children and not be
too troubled by "their" lack of understanding or maturity. (immaturity)
That word "should" tells me that it is optional. Should it rather be "Unconditional"?
Some mothers "can't" continue to love their children and "not" be troubled by their lack of understanding and maturity. They don't have the intestinal fortitude to do so, but they should, for their own happiness.
For if we are concerned about our own existence above theirs, then it will not be "unconditional" but should continue if we can.............. or should.
A parent who is capable of have his/her individual existence continue, while parenting, has, in
my opinion, achieved the ultimate in parenting. Your own existence is not "above" your childrens, but apart from, just as their's is apart from you. They then, can see that you are
not living through your children, you are a "person" with your own identity.
As a father, my love for my kids is unconditional. There is nothing they can do to destroy that, because it is within me to love them regardless.
As a mother, I agree.
They can fall out of my graces, my approval, which would cause them to distance themselves from me, but I could never reject them to the point of un-forgiveness.
Of course, I agree with that, one should be able to forgive "almost" anyone.( I have to leaveI little space for those so evil, I will not give them the priviledge of my forgiveness, sorry.)That is my right for myself, as I don't have to obey any "god", so I have some rules that belong
to "only" me.
Our Heavenly Father is such a Father that loves us unconditionally. No matter how far we distance ourselves from Him!
I don't have a heavenly father, my father died 25 yrs. ago., and even he, wasn't heavenly.
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March 14th, 2007, 01:17 PM
I dont think you have a religious mind at all, I think you have a faithful soul. In my way of seeing it a Religious mind is dogma and you DEFINATELY dont believe in dogma.
Quoting RomSpaceKnight
Not sure why this question is in the christian forum.
I have a religious mind. I believe in a god. Wether that god is a currently unkown physical phenomena that caused the universe that we live in to develop as it has or an old white dude in flowing robes with a long white beard who snapped his fingers and said "Let there be light". I have no idea. It may not even be possible to no that.
It is the journey not the destination that is the fun part usually.
I have a religious mind. I believe in a god. Wether that god is a currently unkown physical phenomena that caused the universe that we live in to develop as it has or an old white dude in flowing robes with a long white beard who snapped his fingers and said "Let there be light". I have no idea. It may not even be possible to no that.
It is the journey not the destination that is the fun part usually.
I dont think you have a religious mind at all, I think you have a faithful soul. In my way of seeing it a Religious mind is dogma and you DEFINATELY dont believe in dogma.
