Political Party of Christianity

westmanguy
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So, what is the mainstream Canadian federal political party for Canadians.

I assume it is the Conservative Party of Canada.

Due to SSM, abortion, crime, etc. which the Conservatives have Christian values on.

I want to have a Christian-politic discussion.

And I want to hear from Christians that vote NDP and Liberal!

General Christian / politic chat.
 
Tonington
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Well I guess the mainstream party would have to be the party that gets the majority of the votes, by definition. It was Liberal for a long time, now it's Conservative and I suspect the Conservatives won't be ruling for 10 more consecutive years.

I don't feel that same-sex marriage or abortion are issues any longer. It exposes a party if they incessantly try to subjugate the rights of people, not good for attracting the swing votes IMO.

Crime is the bread and butter of this current Government. I believe the majority of legislation has been Justice bills.

I'd like to see the Government extend that program which cut wait times to more procedures.

I can't really comment on Christian politics, because I don't think religion and politics make good bed-fellows and I'm no longer a Christian.
 
m_levesque
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Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguyView Post

So, what is the mainstream Canadian federal political party for Canadians.

I assume it is the Conservative Party of Canada.

Due to SSM, abortion, crime, etc. which the Conservatives have Christian values on.

I want to have a Christian-politic discussion.

And I want to hear from Christians that vote NDP and Liberal!

General Christian / politic chat.

The mainstream party is, without a doubt, the Liberals.What does politcal parties have to do with religion?
 
snfu73
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I definitly do not see the conservatives as a mainstream party for Canadians. I vote NDP or Green...but I still see the Liberals as the mainstream party for Canadians. I think, when it comes to social issues in particular, the Liberals are far more intuned with the majority of Canadians than the Conservatives are...especially seeing as the new Conservatives are really just Reform and Alliance members....with some Conservatives mixed in. So, I disagree totally that the Conservatives as we know them represent the mainstream view of Canada. I think that is why they are doing so poor in the polls, really. I mean, they have done alot of great work while they have been in power here...BUT...I believe people just don't see that party as representative of Canada and Canadians. I sure don't, I know that. I admit, Harper has been busy as PM, and has done alot of work...but I can't stand the guy...I can't stand his values...I can't stand that he is our PM.
 
Kreskin
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A policy of putting women in forced birth hospitals is Conservative? I think I'll vote Liberal from now on.
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

A policy of putting women in forced birth hospitals is Conservative? I think I'll vote Liberal from now on.

What is a forced birth hospital?
 
darkbeaver
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Hey, why stop at just a party I'll help you get a whole country, somewhere far far away.
 
darkbeaver
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You could call the place Christimtiredofreadingitstan
 
Dexter Sinister
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There is no "Political Party of Christianity" in this country. I suspect you're more likely to find certain types of Christians in the Conservative Party, such as those that lean toward the more fundamentalist and Biblical literalist side of Christianity, but Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien, and Paul Martin were all active Roman Catholics during their time as Liberal leader, and the founding leader of the NDP was a Christian minister originally; the Conservative Party has no monopoly on Christians. No major party is or has ever been explicitly Christian in its platform the way certain European parties that call themselves things like Christian Democrats are. No party can accurately be said to reflect Christianity's values except in the broadest possible sense, and at that level those values aren't uniquely Christian anyway. Philosophically they're all secular liberal democratic parties on most issues, with slightly different emphases on collective versus individual behaviour and responsibility.

Religion just doesn't play well on the Canadian political scene, that's not what most voters want to hear about.
 
darkbeaver
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Exactly
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Exactly

Indeed...he did summerize things very well...I support you exactly with an exactly of my own, fair darkbeaver.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by snfu73View Post

What is a forced birth hospital?

If women can't have an abortion that means they're forced to give birth. The entire concept is not my cup of tea.
 
snfu73
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Ohhhh...THAT'S what you meant. Now I understand.

Pro-choice here as well.
 
DurkaDurka
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against my Catholic guilt, i vote pro choice. reason being: my girlfriend has a blood clotting disorder which has a likely chance of damaging the baby, the Doc has told her, natural birth won't happen without major surgery.
 
snfu73
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

against my Catholic guilt, i vote pro choice. reason being: my girlfriend has a blood clotting disorder which has a likely chance of damaging the baby, the Doc has told her, natural birth won't happen without major surgery.

Wow...that's a pretty decent reason.
 
gc
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Quote: Originally Posted by westmanguyView Post

So, what is the mainstream Canadian federal political party for Canadians.

I assume it is the Conservative Party of Canada.

Due to SSM, abortion, crime, etc. which the Conservatives have Christian values on.

I want to have a Christian-politic discussion.

And I want to hear from Christians that vote NDP and Liberal!

General Christian / politic chat.

How do the Conservatives have Christian values on crime? Ever heard of "turn the other cheek"? or "let He who is without sin cast the first stone"? And the Conservative party is not (currently) against abortion, which I assume is what you meant when you said they have Christian values on the issue. Anyways, where does it say in the bible that abortion should be illegal?
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

against my Catholic guilt, i vote pro choice. reason being: my girlfriend has a blood clotting disorder which has a likely chance of damaging the baby, the Doc has told her, natural birth won't happen without major surgery.

There are fertility issues related to clotting (spontaneous bleeding). Fertility clinics often prescribe a drug called heparin for the first trimester to offset the clotting problems.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

There are fertility issues related to clotting (spontaneous bleeding). Fertility clinics often prescribe a drug called heparin for the first trimester to offset the clotting problems.

She has other reasons as well, namely cervical cancer. The past couple months have been rough....

it's crazy, my g/f is 24, the dice rolled against her...
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

She has other reasons as well, namely cervical cancer. The past couple months have been rough....

Sorry to hear that. Fertility clinics have seen it all, including cancer. If you are in Ontario and ever want to get top notch advice look up Markham Fertility.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Sorry to hear that. Fertility clinics have seen it all, including cancer. If you are in Ontario and ever want to get top notch advice look up Markham Fertility.

Funny thing is, I live in Markham. I am going to pass that on to my g/f.

Thanks for the info Kreskin.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Funny thing is, I live in Markham. I am going to pass that on to my g/f.

What a coincidence. Dr Virro is considered one of the best in Canada. The clinic has a reputation that is second to none. They do have a wait list of about 8 months for a consultation but you guys have plenty of time on your side.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

What a coincidence. Dr Virro is considered one of the best in Canada. The clinic has a reputation that is second to none. They do have a wait list of about 8 months for a consultation but you guys have plenty of time on your side.

I my self am not too concerned about having a child at the moment, I know my g/f is broken about it though. She has been told she will never have a child of her own due to damage to her uterus etc. She was pregenant up to about 6 weeks a short while ago. The Doc's told her she would probably hemorage if she stayed the course. They induced an abortion via some sort of muscle relaxent, I felt so bad for her... one of the worse feelings I have ever felt, with her complications, it was really stressful.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

I my self am not too concerned about having a child at the moment, I know my g/f is broken about it though. She has been told she will never have a child of her own due to damage to her uterus etc. She was pregenant up to about 6 weeks a short while ago. The Doc's told her she would probably hemorage if she stayed the course. They induced an abortion via some sort of muscle relaxent, I felt so bad for her...

I am very sorry Durka. That is a traumatic experience.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

I am very sorry Durka. That is a traumatic experience.

yeah, for her more then anything. it's easy for the guy to say "everything will work out etc", but knowing it's a lie really sucks.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

yeah, for her more then anything.

Women can take that like a death in the family. Let her know there is always hope. At her age there probably isn't a need to rush in for advanced treatments. They can be incredibly expensive. Just knowing there is hope or a possible light at the end of the tunnel can be important too. Life is all about hopes and dreams. Having them taken away is not healthy. One should also never underestimate the satisfaction of family building through adoption.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

Women can take that like a death in the family. Let her know there is always hope. At her age there probably isn't a need to rush in for advanced treatments. They can be incredibly expensive. Just knowing there is hope or a possible light at the end of the tunnel can be important too. Life is all about hopes and dreams. Having them taken away is not healthy. One should also never underestimate the satisfaction of family building through adoption.

Thanks for the encouraging words Kreskin, I appreciate it.
 
Kreskin
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

Thanks for the encouraging words Kreskin, I appreciate it.

You're very welcome. Give her a big hug for us.
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

You're very welcome. Give her a big hug for us.

Will Do!
 
Dexter Sinister
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Aw, what a terrible bummer, Durka. I'm so sorry. That's not the way it's supposed to be. But in a Christian Discussion thread I feel bound to point this out: it's not and can never be religious belief that'll save her life or ever give her a chance at having a baby, it's modern medical science. Reality trumps religion every time.

A friend of my son's is in exactly the same situation, has a girlfriend who's a wonderfully bright and attractive young woman who's also suffered several rounds of cervical cancer and been told the same things about childbearing by her doctors. The stories are so similar I'm tempted to think I might actually know you in real life, except that you live in Pickering and I'm in Regina. Give that lady a big hug, and if you really love her, stand by her. She needs that.
 
L Gilbert
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

I my self am not too concerned about having a child at the moment, I know my g/f is broken about it though. She has been told she will never have a child of her own due to damage to her uterus etc. She was pregenant up to about 6 weeks a short while ago. The Doc's told her she would probably hemorage if she stayed the course. They induced an abortion via some sort of muscle relaxent, I felt so bad for her... one of the worse feelings I have ever felt, with her complications, it was really stressful.

Geeeeeeeeeez, that's sad, Durk. My sympathies and support.
 

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