Protect Yourself from the Internet's Moral Dangers

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Jeffrey A. Mirus, Ph.D.
I haven't taken a poll, but I would guess that many Catholic Church members have children living at home. Given that our members also have Internet connections, the danger of their children encountering morally offensive material is real.
If you have both an Internet connection and children at home, and you haven't considered this problem seriously, I urge you to do so now. It is incredibly easy to find morally bankrupt information and images on the Internet with just a few mouse clicks, right in your own home. And take it from a father of six: No, you can't trust your children to police themselves. Even if they mean well, they will seldom have the moral stamina to do it consistently until they're well into their twenties, and even then only if they've developed good habits and have a strong prayer life.
What to Do
An argument can be made that kids should simply be kept off the Internet, especially the World Wide Web. This is a very counter-cultural point of view, but they really won't lose anything essential by being deprived of the Internet, though they may well lose something essential by being exposed to it.
If this is not the approach you wish to take, then you need to monitor their usage of the Internet and set limits. No child should have a private computer with an Internet connection in his own room any more than he should have a television in his own room. In fact, the computer should be not only publicly accessible but in a room which receives significant traffic, even if it is kept quiet for study. Working late on school projects online should be prohibited. The point is, you have a clear responsibility to know what your children are doing online.
There is no substitute for regular and active parental involvement, but software can help -- specifically Internet filtering software. Happily, I don't need to make specific product recommendations, because PC Magazine did an excellent report on parental filtering software last year, and it is available with reviews of the major products at: http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/features/utilities98/filtering/index.html.
How to Do It
Note that there are four different ways that software can help you:
  1. Using Lists to Restrict Access
    The software can block access to sites based on an updateable database of bad sites. Companies that specialize in this type of software generally provide very good databases and update them regularly. This keeps out a lot of junk, but it isn't foolproof. The database maker's judgment might be different from yours and the database can never be up-to-date since web sites come and go so rapidly. Alternatively, you can filter positively: you can develop an approved list of sites (perhaps starting with something like Yahooligans on Yahoo!), and the software will restrict access to the sites on your list. This is much safer, but you'll have to disable the restriction manually whenever you want to permit online research.
  2. Using Real-Time Analysis to Restrict Access
    The software can monitor either incoming or outgoing text, or both, to prevent certain kinds of pages, newsgroups, email and chat from appearing on the screen or being sent out from your PC (as when a child may attempt to send a scurrilous email message to a buddy).
  3. Controlling the Time Users Can Go (or Spend) Online
    The software can control the times at which users are allowed to connect to the Internet. For example, you can set the software to allow connections only during times which you are typically home and able to take an active interest in what is going on. You can also set time limits, allowing particular users to use only so much time per day, week or month on various Internet activities.
  4. Logging Where Users Have Been
    The software can keep a complete log of the places users have gone on the web, so that you can review the log periodically. Most of these products are hard to fool or disable without the password, but nothing is fool- proof. Therefore, logging should probably be used even when other techniques are in place. It is a wonderful deterrent to tell your kids that you log all Internet activity and periodically check the logs.
Note that not all products provide all features. Be sure to select a product which has all the features you need, or purchase more than one.
Restrictions Aren't For Children Only
In addition to protecting your kids, protect yourself, even (or perhaps especially) if you're all alone. When you have filtering software in place and it blocks a site you really shouldn't be visiting, you must go through the additional step of bypassing the software by entering a password. Often, this is all it will take to bring you to your senses and give you the will power to turn away.
If you're married or live in a group (perhaps you're sharing an apartment, or you live in a religious community, or you are a priest in a multi-priest parish), then do yourself a real favor. Put both filtering and logging software on your machines and let your spouse or confrere control the passwords (and vice versa). Review each other's logs. Keep each other out of trouble.
Finally, if you control a network at home or in the office, you'll have to use more sophisticated -- and more expensive -- techniques. Several of the products covered in the review have corporate, enterprise or proxy versions. Check out their web sites for details.
Above all, take this issue seriously, and take prudent steps to guard against moral danger. If you like doomsday scenarios, well, this one is far bigger and more dangerous than Y2K.


 

tamarin

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Sanctus, surely you're not advocating a Big Brother society. A world where officialdom is constantly over your shoulder and when it's not some family member or Nosy Parker is. The sad thing about the net is that it has immeasurably aided the sexualization of children. Boys will be boys and if you make some portal to smut like the Internet available they're going to use it. Parent or no parent, guardian or no guardian, blockers and filters despite. But foremost, I am tired of the nanny state and I am tired of such a state using children as a vehicle for repression.
 

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The advice this fella offers is a joke, any child over 10 years old would be able to compromise any of these snooping software in a matter or minutes. Spying/limiting/logging what a child does on the internet will only make him resentful. If parents are that concerned of what their child looks at on the internet, they should cancel it all together.
 

tamarin

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Durka, you're probably right. But the net is omnipresent. And easily accessed. The neighbour's house, at school. the local library. The horse is out of the barn and I do call the present generation Generation Porn. I think they're addicted. In fashion, music, taste and behaviour. You can see that easily in the summer if you attend any large public festival. This is a very bold generation. And viewing the Internet's feeding channels for myspace (sites like photobucket) with my niece three times now I am boggled. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of kids have posed like would-be porn stars, their tongues hanging out obscenely as one of their favourite stances. I can only think what our society will be like in ten years.
 
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Simple. All eproms should be black boxes that manufactures assign specific burned in encoded serial numbers, similar to a hypothetical tamper proof gun serial. Operating systems can be made to not work unless an eprom has an encoded eprom. Every write is accompanied by metadata that is burned into the destination medium. Law enforcement can then trace the electronic trail of every
machine to it's owner. Not perfect but a definite deterent.

While I'm on the computer subject, the SPAM problem is a real money maker and it exists because the computer and software people want you to be bombarded by ads. Proof to that is the reason why mail systems don't provide an inclusive address list. In other words as well as having a list blocking out people you don't want through a filter, why not have provision for a list of people you do. This way if you have only a handful of people you converse with, you would have them on your include address list. Problem solved, no more ads or people you don't want. Just send your address to people you want with a caveat that they don't send anyone else you address.
There is software that does that but you need to pay for it and it needs to gobble up memory. It should be part of the operating system.

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Sanctus, surely you're not advocating a Big Brother society. A world where officialdom is constantly over your shoulder and when it's not some family member or Nosy Parker is. The sad thing about the net is that it has immeasurably aided the sexualization of children. Boys will be boys and if you make some portal to smut like the Internet available they're going to use it. Parent or no parent, guardian or no guardian, blockers and filters despite. But foremost, I am tired of the nanny state and I am tired of such a state using children as a vehicle for repression.

Perhaps not, but we should not be ignorant to the dangers our children face on the net. There is nothing terribly wrong in taking steps to ensure questionable material is kept away from children. Most good parents do this with television and books, so why not the net as well?
 

DurkaDurka

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Perhaps not, but we should not be ignorant to the dangers our children face on the net. There is nothing terribly wrong in taking steps to ensure questionable material is kept away from children. Most good parents do this with television and books, so why not the net as well?

Sanctus, there is no fool proof way to block questionable content. Parents have a few options, all which contain flaws.

1.Net nanny etc: Problem with that is it an be easily disabled by shutting down the service or preventing it from starting on boot up. Also, Net Nanny types of software also have a tendancy to block legitimate content which has nothing to do with porn, violence etc.

2. Logging: Parents could setup a local proxy server which which sits between the pc and the net, caching and logging conetent visited. If the parents goes this route, they will need to know advanced windows configuration so the child cannot alter the proxt settings under internet options or altering the ip configuration of the pc. if the child can bypass that, the proxy is useless.
 

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Sanctus, there is no fool proof way to block questionable content. Parents have a few options, all which contain flaws..

Granted, so are you suggesting that as parents we don't try at all? In other words, we just say, well, nothing we can do, so let them do as they will?
 

Ariadne

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The advice this fella offers is a joke, any child over 10 years old would be able to compromise any of these snooping software in a matter or minutes. Spying/limiting/logging what a child does on the internet will only make him resentful. If parents are that concerned of what their child looks at on the internet, they should cancel it all together.

This is absolutely true. The only way to monitor what a child does on the internet is to sit beside the child and monitor the situation. It's absurd to give the child a window to the world, let them sit in another room and believe that the window is securely electronically managed with selective holes in the window. Electronic security doesn't necessarily make children resentful, but it does present a challenge which results in them learning one more trick in bypassing security. When my son started using the internet, we had two computers side by side ... no secrets. He frequently tells me about how he and his friends navigate around electronic security at school. The school patches the holes and they re-navigate - it's a challenge and it's fun. They do not give up.
 

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Granted, so are you suggesting that as parents we don't try at all? In other words, we just say, well, nothing we can do, so let them do as they will?

I'm just saying that trying to filter what children see/do on the internet via a piece of software won't work. I think good parenting would probably instill values in them which would negate the need for software solutions.
 

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I'm just saying that trying to filter what children see/do on the internet via a piece of software won't work. I think good parenting would probably instill values in them which would negate the need for software solutions.

My daughter is 13 and has her own comp in her room. I do look at her history once in a while to ease my fears but as it has been said earlier, nothing replaces parenting on this issue. Just as parents street proof their children, e-proofing is just as important. I've always policed her use of boards and msn. Things like, never stating your location, never use your real name, etc. has been drilled into her head. Examples of kids getting into trouble with contacts made over the internet has been the topic of family discussions.
Censoring your child will only breed contempt and stifle their growth. Parenting by caring attentive parents is the answer.
 

hermanntrude

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if our kids want to use the internet let them. Watch over their shoulder from time to time, If they come across porn you can explain to them what it's about and why you don't like it. Trying to block everything non-porn related on the internet would be like trying to dam the atlantic, and is an insult to your children. In my experience kids reaction to porn is EWWWWW. as for teenagers i think you'll just have to accept that they either seek it out or not. You'd be surprised how many people don't like it anyway
 

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I didn't deal with the net as a danger concerning the kids. While I did ask them what they like doing on the net I placed no restrictions on it because I rightfully thought it'd be a waste of time. I talked to them about what they saw and did on the net. I explained things for them. I still have their trust and respect. If one or both came and said they wanted to do something, I would ask why and how important it was to them. Thought it was really cool when one came home from school one time with pink hair and a pretty artistic tat (one of those temporary jobbies). I sure as hell wasn't gonna freak and start demanding things. It was just the kid's version of expressing herself. (I explained the relative permanence of tats when they first asked about them, so they had a meeting between themselves and decided that the temporary ones were the way to go cuz then they could dump the old and get the new whenever they wanted and still express themselves). I always thought if one kept overprotecting kids rather than teaching them how to handle things about life they end up putting up so many walls that eventually the kid turns into an ugly, huge, green, raging, monster bursting out through the walls like Lou Ferrigno as "The Hulk". :)

(Geeez I babble a lot sometimes.)
 

eh1eh

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You babble a little Gil but you certainly did a good job with your young'uns. I am following the same paqth and judging by your results I just might be getting it right.

:wave:
 

hermanntrude

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I didn't deal with the net as a danger concerning the kids. While I did ask them what they like doing on the net I placed no restrictions on it because I rightfully thought it'd be a waste of time. I talked to them about what they saw and did on the net. I explained things for them. I still have their trust and respect. If one or both came and said they wanted to do something, I would ask why and how important it was to them. Thought it was really cool when one came home from school one time with pink hair and a pretty artistic tat (one of those temporary jobbies). I sure as hell wasn't gonna freak and start demanding things. It was just the kid's version of expressing herself. (I explained the relative permanence of tats when they first asked about them, so they had a meeting between themselves and decided that the temporary ones were the way to go cuz then they could dump the old and get the new whenever they wanted and still express themselves). I always thought if one kept overprotecting kids rather than teaching them how to handle things about life they end up putting up so many walls that eventually the kid turns into an ugly, huge, green, raging, monster bursting out through the walls like Lou Ferrigno as "The Hulk". :)

(Geeez I babble a lot sometimes.)

Very well said. I agree with you that it's of no use to try to prevent children from seeing what they want to on the net. maybe not useless, but of no use. It can be done i'm sure if you are a nazi parent, but it wouldn't serve any purpose except to drive a wedge between you and your kids.

You can always check the history files after they use the computer. if it includes analsexwithpigs.com then you should probably worry, and have a little talk. the same is true if it's empty.
 

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You babble a little Gil but you certainly did a good job with your young'uns. I am following the same paqth and judging by your results I just might be getting it right.

:wave:
Yeah. I am pretty pleased with them, one kid teaches littler kids and the other (the older one) has her own business. Teacher is married and the other has a b/f. lol And each are my favorite.
 

L Gilbert

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You can always check the history files after they use the computer. if it includes analsexwithpigs.com then you should probably worry, and have a little talk. the same is true if it's empty.
I thought of doing that a couple times and never found anything much besides sites dealing with researched items, girl's chatrooms, etc. Did find a couple sites with boys on beaches, though. I can imagine one of my kids flying into a bit of a snit about some analsexwithapig site and emailing them all sorts of vile nasty things about how little they must resemble actual human beings to come up with that crap, but the other would just wrinkle up face and emit an "eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww". It's a really cute face I gotta tell you. Anyway, the vocal one would make me howl sometimes. Feisty. lol
 

DurkaDurka

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You can always check the history files after they use the computer. if it includes analsexwithpigs.com then you should probably worry, and have a little talk. the same is true if it's empty.

Clearing the cache, history & temp internet files are a pretty easy thing to do...
 

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We agree on one thing Priest when it comes to our kids better to go over board than under board. I will add to that list a keystrok prog and over the shoulder policy. Check history and do NOT allow clearing histories. This is good for cheating husbands too LOL

Candice, my middle one ended up hooked up with a 26 yearold in georgia and I had the jerk arrested. She was using her friends comp and my phone. Thats how I found him, reverse lookup on the phone bill. Harsh? damn straight thats why I created an online gated community for my members. Our children are precious and perverts are everywhere.
 

sanctus

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if our kids want to use the internet let them. Watch over their shoulder from time to time, If they come across porn you can explain to them what it's about and why you don't like it. Trying to block everything non-porn related on the internet would be like trying to dam the atlantic, and is an insult to your children. In my experience kids reaction to porn is EWWWWW. as for teenagers i think you'll just have to accept that they either seek it out or not. You'd be surprised how many people don't like it anyway

It's a balancing act, I think. When they are very young and new to the internet, parental blocks are wise and necessary. As they get older, into their teens,they will discover how to disable to locks you set up. Common sense, like everything, must prevail.