Clever Clogs
Posts: 622 
February 25th, 2007, 04:00 AM
We have become very selfish ,having weddings for the party ,paying people to get pregnant for us ,parts of the world having babies born with life threating illness and disease ,many by rape ,because they refuse birth control ?--wht is right and what isn't, its unclear (will two lesbians be better parents than one addicted mother ??,its important to care for your immediate family first --once you have children and wife or husband you need to give and take in harmony not because someone said so --because you want to --as a unit
Hollywood doesn't help us -
-Homosexual ism has been around for a long long time --hidden
We have become very selfish ,having weddings for the party ,paying people to get pregnant for us ,parts of the world having babies born with life threating illness and disease ,many by rape ,because they refuse birth control ?--wht is right and what isn't, its unclear (will two lesbians be better parents than one addicted mother ??,its important to care for your immediate family first --once you have children and wife or husband you need to give and take in harmony not because someone said so --because you want to --as a unit
Hollywood doesn't help us -
-Homosexual ism has been around for a long long time --hidden
The Padre
Posts: 4,558 
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
February 25th, 2007, 06:19 AM
Quoting L Gilbert
There is such a stability that comes from a long relationship, a familiarity that is comforting. Funny, I was talking to a young couple the other day regarding their upcoming wedding in June and the bride to be commented that she hoped her marriage was a long one, "at least over five years". I couldn't help but think of how much this was a reflection of our times when 5 years would be thought of as a long marriage. Contrast that to my parents who had been married for 49 years at the time of my Mother's death, or my grandparents who had been married for 63 years.
Actually, yes. That's why my wife was more into getting married than I. She's not atheist, but somewhat deistic. I wasn't quite atheistic at the time and she was Protestant.
Thanks for the congrats.
Maintaining it is a lotta work sometimes but well worth the effort.
Thanks for the congrats.
Maintaining it is a lotta work sometimes but well worth the effort.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 622
February 25th, 2007, 07:19 AM
Honestly ,thinking about" how long your marriage will be "-- putting a number on it --what next bets on ebay (don't take that to the bank lol )
Why on earth would someone be thinking about time --what about --oh ,never mind --We are in worse shape than previously hoped
Shame seems to work well ,Thats what held many a marriage together, the shame of divorce on the family --either we've become shame less or selfish --or both --how did this happen --oh ,the breakdown of the family unit
Honestly ,thinking about" how long your marriage will be "-- putting a number on it --what next bets on ebay (don't take that to the bank lol )
Why on earth would someone be thinking about time --what about --oh ,never mind --We are in worse shape than previously hoped
Shame seems to work well ,Thats what held many a marriage together, the shame of divorce on the family --either we've become shame less or selfish --or both --how did this happen --oh ,the breakdown of the family unit
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
February 25th, 2007, 07:41 AM
Shame, or a sense of responsibility? I think what has happened in recent history is many people are too self-centred. In other words, they seek only what makes the SELF happy, with no real thought to the effects this might have on other people. If there is no abuse, I see nothing wrong with staying in a marriage out of a sense of duty and obligation to the family and the children. We are too quick these days to seek only those things which please our own selves.
Quoting temperance
Honestly ,thinking about" how long your marriage will be "-- putting a number on it --what next bets on ebay (don't take that to the bank lol )
Why on earth would someone be thinking about time --what about --oh ,never mind --We are in worse shape than previously hoped
Shame seems to work well ,Thats what held many a marriage together, the shame of divorce on the family --either we've become shame less or selfish --or both --how did this happen --oh ,the breakdown of the family unit
Why on earth would someone be thinking about time --what about --oh ,never mind --We are in worse shape than previously hoped
Shame seems to work well ,Thats what held many a marriage together, the shame of divorce on the family --either we've become shame less or selfish --or both --how did this happen --oh ,the breakdown of the family unit
Shame, or a sense of responsibility? I think what has happened in recent history is many people are too self-centred. In other words, they seek only what makes the SELF happy, with no real thought to the effects this might have on other people. If there is no abuse, I see nothing wrong with staying in a marriage out of a sense of duty and obligation to the family and the children. We are too quick these days to seek only those things which please our own selves.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 622
February 26th, 2007, 07:07 AM
So we look for a quick self satisfying fulfillment --well ,cant really be fulfillment ,so if we looked at divorce , the effects it would have on the unit, the children, their future and each parent future emotional ,monetary needs --it makes no sense so, co habiting would work and may even strengthen the marriage because each has time to explore thier self ,their likes dislikes ,is this why living together for a period of time(prior to marrage ) seems to make people realize there are as compatible as first thought ?
So we look for a quick self satisfying fulfillment --well ,cant really be fulfillment ,so if we looked at divorce , the effects it would have on the unit, the children, their future and each parent future emotional ,monetary needs --it makes no sense so, co habiting would work and may even strengthen the marriage because each has time to explore thier self ,their likes dislikes ,is this why living together for a period of time(prior to marrage ) seems to make people realize there are as compatible as first thought ?
The Padre
Posts: 4,558
Location: Ontario
Location: Ontario
February 26th, 2007, 07:24 AM
Quoting temperance
Maybe, but that is not at all what I was suggesting. Let me put it another way, I believe a marriage should stay together no matter what and under all circumstances, unless there is abuse of some kind going on. I think the last thing that is important in a marriage is the individual.
So we look for a quick self satisfying fulfillment --well ,cant really be fulfillment ,so if we looked at divorce , the effects it would have on the unit, the children, their future and each parent future emotional ,monetary needs --it makes no sense so, co habiting would work and may even strengthen the marriage because each has time to explore thier self ,their likes dislikes ,is this why living together for a period of time(prior to marrage ) seems to make people realize there are as compatible as first thought ?
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,612
February 26th, 2007, 08:29 AM
Sanctus and the Roman Catholic Church: Hypocritical Basterds One and ALL!
This “Church” the Roman Catholic Church has practiced espousing the self-serving lunacy of “go forth and multiply” for hundreds of years. Without consideration of the burden this practice places on the planet as a whole and “society” as the largest unit of socialization among homo sapiens.
This church has withheld and demonized birth control and sex education in its efforts to control the minds and the economic dynamics of societies the world over. Enormous families in nations where people predominantly subscribe to this faith are among the worlds poorest and neediest people.
This church has defined human sexuality not on the basis of what serves the best interests of the people of this planet, but on the premise that more roman catholics = greater influence for the church in economics and politics.
This church has demonized and ostracized homosexuality as a cultural conditioning tool to ensure that sexuality is the cornerstone of the Roman Catholic Church’s facility to control human thought and social development.
This church has demonstrated through its own practitioners from the Conquistadors and the Inquisitions forward through programs of hatred and mistrust leveled at the Jews and anyone NOT subscribing to the lies of the Pope and the Vatican that it is prepared to sanction the extermination of people all over the world in the name of the power of the church.
Sure these pious folk embrace the cornerstone of humanity! They’ve participated in slaughter and destruction forever….
While the individual can only exercise the power/influence of the single consumer in electing to forego conspicuous consumption, the Roman Catholic Church has millions upon millions of dollars to contribute to addressing the needs of the whole of mankind….
And has this influence ever been used to influence the consumer cartels of the great greedy societies of the west?
Never.
The Roman Catholic Church with its “family as cornerstone” bullshyte line… has had the opportunity to influence the consumption habits of its adherents and instruct its community in conservation and ‘planet-friendly’ strategies and perspectives that may have gone some distance to forestalling the inevitable climate change and destruction of this planet that we are beginning to witness today as the reality of the failure of our social institutions and our churches.
And what have done in fact?
Nothing to stem the demand for more resources and more consumption, but rather encouragement to breed more children and more children to satisfy the power-greed of the Vatican.
Despite the smarmy hypocrisy of Sanctus, it is the Church not just, as he would have you believe, the single wayward sinner garbed in the uniform of the Holy Vatican Empire that is the Catholic Church, that is responsible for the travesties of justice and absence of moral behavior that see’s priests sexually abusing children and women who’ve been led to believe they could “trust” the lies and calumny of the Roman Catholic Church.
It is the Roman Catholic Church that has impeded justice and practiced hiding pedophiles and abusers from the law, and this same lying hypocritical church and its servants like Sanctus would have you believe in spite of this behavior that the church believes in the family as “cornerstone”….
While good Catholic’s and good Protestants are killing children sleeping in their beds in Ireland….these good Christian folk believe this horeshyte that Sanctus is spreading across these forums? That the family is cornerstone and we can simply turn a blind eye to the savagery of good Catholics killing families in their sleep?
The whine should begin fairly quickly…..
“You can’t blame the church for the actions of a few…..”
Sure and we certainly couldn’t blame the militaries of the world for the torture rape and murder they use in prosecuting their petroleum wars either now could we….
We couldn’t blame the Communists for the actions of Joseph Stalin …now could we….
We couldn’t blame the Communist Party of the Peoples Republic of China as responsible now could we….
We can’t according to the logic of Sanctimonious Extreemis…hold any social institution accountable for their wrong-doing, only lavish them with praise and acclaim when they make sure the world hears about some good deed….performed by a missionary or some individual…only THEN is the “Church” identified as the saviour….while the individual is merely regarded as minion…..
Sanctus is just as much a front man a con-man a liar and a thief as any politician for any political party….as crusader and front-man for a church that is rife with corruption and hypocritical to its core.
Sanctus and the Roman Catholic Church: Hypocritical Basterds One and ALL!
This “Church” the Roman Catholic Church has practiced espousing the self-serving lunacy of “go forth and multiply” for hundreds of years. Without consideration of the burden this practice places on the planet as a whole and “society” as the largest unit of socialization among homo sapiens.
This church has withheld and demonized birth control and sex education in its efforts to control the minds and the economic dynamics of societies the world over. Enormous families in nations where people predominantly subscribe to this faith are among the worlds poorest and neediest people.
This church has defined human sexuality not on the basis of what serves the best interests of the people of this planet, but on the premise that more roman catholics = greater influence for the church in economics and politics.
This church has demonized and ostracized homosexuality as a cultural conditioning tool to ensure that sexuality is the cornerstone of the Roman Catholic Church’s facility to control human thought and social development.
This church has demonstrated through its own practitioners from the Conquistadors and the Inquisitions forward through programs of hatred and mistrust leveled at the Jews and anyone NOT subscribing to the lies of the Pope and the Vatican that it is prepared to sanction the extermination of people all over the world in the name of the power of the church.
Sure these pious folk embrace the cornerstone of humanity! They’ve participated in slaughter and destruction forever….
While the individual can only exercise the power/influence of the single consumer in electing to forego conspicuous consumption, the Roman Catholic Church has millions upon millions of dollars to contribute to addressing the needs of the whole of mankind….
And has this influence ever been used to influence the consumer cartels of the great greedy societies of the west?
Never.
The Roman Catholic Church with its “family as cornerstone” bullshyte line… has had the opportunity to influence the consumption habits of its adherents and instruct its community in conservation and ‘planet-friendly’ strategies and perspectives that may have gone some distance to forestalling the inevitable climate change and destruction of this planet that we are beginning to witness today as the reality of the failure of our social institutions and our churches.
And what have done in fact?
Nothing to stem the demand for more resources and more consumption, but rather encouragement to breed more children and more children to satisfy the power-greed of the Vatican.
Despite the smarmy hypocrisy of Sanctus, it is the Church not just, as he would have you believe, the single wayward sinner garbed in the uniform of the Holy Vatican Empire that is the Catholic Church, that is responsible for the travesties of justice and absence of moral behavior that see’s priests sexually abusing children and women who’ve been led to believe they could “trust” the lies and calumny of the Roman Catholic Church.
It is the Roman Catholic Church that has impeded justice and practiced hiding pedophiles and abusers from the law, and this same lying hypocritical church and its servants like Sanctus would have you believe in spite of this behavior that the church believes in the family as “cornerstone”….
While good Catholic’s and good Protestants are killing children sleeping in their beds in Ireland….these good Christian folk believe this horeshyte that Sanctus is spreading across these forums? That the family is cornerstone and we can simply turn a blind eye to the savagery of good Catholics killing families in their sleep?
The whine should begin fairly quickly…..
“You can’t blame the church for the actions of a few…..”
Sure and we certainly couldn’t blame the militaries of the world for the torture rape and murder they use in prosecuting their petroleum wars either now could we….
We couldn’t blame the Communists for the actions of Joseph Stalin …now could we….
We couldn’t blame the Communist Party of the Peoples Republic of China as responsible now could we….
We can’t according to the logic of Sanctimonious Extreemis…hold any social institution accountable for their wrong-doing, only lavish them with praise and acclaim when they make sure the world hears about some good deed….performed by a missionary or some individual…only THEN is the “Church” identified as the saviour….while the individual is merely regarded as minion…..
Sanctus is just as much a front man a con-man a liar and a thief as any politician for any political party….as crusader and front-man for a church that is rife with corruption and hypocritical to its core.
Hawkings former plumber
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February 26th, 2007, 08:37 AM
Gooday MickeyDB how are ya. I agree totally with your considered descriptive condemnation of the snakeoil merchants, drive them out into the sun and let the real god shrivel them into dust and blow them to the four corners to feed the green.
Gooday MickeyDB how are ya. I agree totally with your considered descriptive condemnation of the snakeoil merchants, drive them out into the sun and let the real god shrivel them into dust and blow them to the four corners to feed the green.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 670
February 26th, 2007, 11:05 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
Sanctus is just as much a front man a con-man a liar and a thief as any politician for any political party….as crusader and front-man for a church that is rife with corruption and hypocritical to its core.
Typical, and highly biased and untrue. It isn't worth arguing over because clearly you have a bias that does not let you see the millions upon millions of good things the Church has and does contribute to a world much in need of the Gospel.
Sanctus is just as much a front man a con-man a liar and a thief as any politician for any political party….as crusader and front-man for a church that is rife with corruption and hypocritical to its core.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,612
February 26th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Marygaspe
When anyone performs an act of spontaneous kindness, that's laudable. To claim praiseworthiness because you've exercised kindness, tolerance, compassion and forgiveness because someone has "convinced" you or "influenced" you or "converted" you to believe that an act of kindness is your "responsibility" or your "duty"....is entirely hollow of meaning, since it is your personal gain that inspires this behavior to achieve acceptance and nuture "good-feelings" about yourself that rests behind an act, that you feel you must be "convinced" to express or manifest. That your action helps someone else is certainly beneficial to that person but your motivation suggests your intentions are disingenuous.
That the church...any church has performed acts of charity and helped other people is undeniable.
That the church has failed in so many other ways is as equally undeniable.
Marygaspe
When anyone performs an act of spontaneous kindness, that's laudable. To claim praiseworthiness because you've exercised kindness, tolerance, compassion and forgiveness because someone has "convinced" you or "influenced" you or "converted" you to believe that an act of kindness is your "responsibility" or your "duty"....is entirely hollow of meaning, since it is your personal gain that inspires this behavior to achieve acceptance and nuture "good-feelings" about yourself that rests behind an act, that you feel you must be "convinced" to express or manifest. That your action helps someone else is certainly beneficial to that person but your motivation suggests your intentions are disingenuous.
That the church...any church has performed acts of charity and helped other people is undeniable.
That the church has failed in so many other ways is as equally undeniable.
