Married Catholic Priests

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From Austin Cline,

Married Catholic Priests
You aren't likely to hear a great deal about married Roman Catholic
priests, but they do exist. First there are the priests who are part
of the Eastern Catholic Churches, also known as the Eastern Rite, who
can be found in places like the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia,
the Ukraine, and other nations along the border between Western and
Eastern Christianity. These churches are under the jurisdiction of
the Vatican and they recognize the authority of the pope; however,
their practices and traditions are much closer to those of the
Eastern Orthodox Churches, and one of those traditions is allowing
priests to marry.

They are Roman Catholic priests and many are married - so many, in
fact, that some estimates place their number at around 20% of all
Roman Catholic priests in the world. This would mean that 20% of all
Roman Catholic priests are officially and legally married, even
though celibacy continues to be a requirement. But marriage is not
limited to priests who are part of the Eastern Catholic Churches - we
can also find about 100 Catholic priests in America who are married
and who are part of the Western Catholicism that comes to mind when
most think of Roman Catholicism.

Why are they married? They got married while serving as priests in
other Christian denominations, usually the Anglican or Lutheran
churches. If such a priest decides that he would be better off within
Roman Catholicism, he can apply to a local bishop, who then submits a
special application to the pope, with decisions being made on a case-
by-case basis. If accepted, he is certainly not expected to get
divorced or otherwise separate from his spouse, so his wife comes
right along as well. This exception to the celibacy rule was created
on July 22, 1980.

Thus, a current Catholic priest who wants to get married must choose
between marriage and the priesthood (even though celibacy isn't an
essential feature of being a priest), while a married Lutheran priest
can apply to become a Catholic priest and keep his wife - he doesn't
have to choose. Naturally, this causes some hard feelings for those
Catholic priests who leave the clergy in order to pursue marriage;
yet others are hoping that the presence of such married priests will
eventually allow priests who have left to marry to eventually return.

They are currently allowed to do some things for the Roman Catholic
Church, but not everything - and with the growing shortage of priests
in the United States (the number of priests has declined by 17% since
the 1960s, even as the Catholic population has increased 38%), the
church may be forced to tap this resource. It's a natural conclusion,
after all, because they are experienced and many are eager (and there
are around 25,000 of them). That, however, will require dropping
mandatory celibacy - it doesn't make any sense to require priests to
be celibate if they can get around the rule by simply leaving,
marrying, and then coming back.

But will the rules change? Definitely not under the reign of Pope
John Paul II - his conservative Catholicism would never allow for it.
Could his successor make the change? Perhaps - it depends upon just
how conservative the successor is and how much influence conservative
Catholic organizations are able to exert. John Paul II has taken
great efforts to foster and encourage very conservative forces within
the Catholic Church, perhaps with an eye towards preserving his
legacy even after he has passed on. If he is successful, even a very
liberal pope would have difficulty in making changes.

Then there is the fact that world Catholicism is not as liberal as
many think. We tend to hear the views of American and European
Catholics, both of which tend to be more liberal than conservative.
Nevertheless, there are many more Catholics in Latin America, Africa,
and Asia; their numbers are growing faster than in the northern
hemisphere, while their religiosity tends to be much more
conservative and charismatic.

These Catholics aren't as likely to approve of changes like allowing
married men or women to become priests. If the the Roman Catholic
hierarchy in the Vatican has to choose between maintaining the
celibacy requirement and annoying northern Catholics or abandoning
celibacy and annoying the much more numerous southern Catholics,
which do you think they will end up going with?
 

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I think the Catholic Church should allow Priest to marry, I'm not a Catholic anymore but I always thought it would make a male a better Priest-how can you counsel a couple on marrage and sex when you haven't experienced it?
 

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I think the Catholic Church should allow Priest to marry, I'm not a Catholic anymore but I always thought it would make a male a better Priest-how can you counsel a couple on marrage and sex when you haven't experienced it?

They would never allow any priest in any Rite to date and/or marry. They would, and do, and have, allow married men to receive training for ordination.
 

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But did you not just post an article that shows they DO allow priests to marry?


NO, Read exactly what I wrote. The Church, in some rites and in certain conditions, will permit married men to enter the priesthood. Or, if this is simpler, you have to be married FIRST. After ordination the man remains in whatever state he was in at the time of his ordination, chaste within his marriage, or totally celibate. Further, if something happens to the marriage, the priest cannot date or marry again, but must take a vow of celibacy at that point.
 

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NO, Read exactly what I wrote. The Church, in some rites and in certain conditions, will permit married men to enter the priesthood. Or, if this is simpler, you have to be married FIRST. After ordination the man remains in whatever state he was in at the time of his ordination, chaste within his marriage, or totally celibate. Further, if something happens to the marriage, the priest cannot date or marry again, but must take a vow of celibacy at that point.


Sorry, I was confused by this part:

These churches are under the jurisdiction of
the Vatican and they recognize the authority of the pope; however,
their practices and traditions are much closer to those of the
Eastern Orthodox Churches, and one of those traditions is allowing
priests to marry.
 

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That was a good read - I had no idea of it - but then I am not Catholic. I did see something on a television program once about a widower who returned to serve the church but as a brother not as a priest - however he was offered the possibility of ordination as a priest.

Is this considered, or is it yet another inaccuracy I saw on television to make a program more interesting....
even though it was a documentary (which doesn't mean much these days).
 

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That was a good read - I had no idea of it - but then I am not Catholic. I did see something on a television program once about a widower who returned to serve the church but as a brother not as a priest - however he was offered the possibility of ordination as a priest.

Is this considered, or is it yet another inaccuracy I saw on television to make a program more interesting....
even though it was a documentary (which doesn't mean much these days).


Yes, it was accurate. Funny, it is the largest Christian denomination on the planet, over 1 billion served(heh heh), and yet even Catholics seem to know so little about their own Church. Rhetoric, rumours, mis-information, these are all quoted as facts, but the truth..so unaware. Sad.
 

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The church banned marriages when the overhead, loss of money and land, became too great through divorce. They know the wicked ways of woman...;)

They take on new priest that are married because there is strength in numbers. Since it would be deemed as immoral to go and conquer the infidels by force as they once did.

I do not understand the churches position on why they do not allow marriage. Would it not cut down on the lust factor. The humanistic need for touch. It would only strengthen their stance on marriage in the secular world.
 

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I do not understand the churches position on why they do not allow marriage. Would it not cut down on the lust factor. The humanistic need for touch. It would only strengthen their stance on marriage in the secular world.


They model the ideology of celibacy on the life of Jesus and St. Paul, both single, celibate males. This became the ideal for the priesthood in the Western Half of the Church. Oddly enough, it is not common in the Eastern (Orthodox) boides, who will ordain married men to the priesthood as a norm. That is why parts of the Western (RC) Church allow for this under certain circumstances and Rites.
 

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They model the ideology of celibacy on the life of Jesus and St. Paul, both single, celibate males. This became the ideal for the priesthood in the Western Half of the Church. Oddly enough, it is not common in the Eastern (Orthodox) boides, who will ordain married men to the priesthood as a norm. That is why parts of the Western (RC) Church allow for this under certain circumstances and Rites.


I should have stated my point clearer. I understand the indoctrination of the rule, just not the continuation of the forcing of the rule.

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TPM