Daniel, Revelation & World History Reveal The Antichrist

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1. It was to arise among the ten divisions of the Roman Empire (Dan 7:8).

2. It would destroy three of the ten kingdoms (Dan 7:8). The Roman power destroyed the Heruli in A.D. 493, (2) the Vandals in A.D. 534, (3) the Ostrogoths around A.D. 538. The other seven are, still, with us today under the names of Germany, England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Switzerland.

3. It would speak great words against the Most High (Dan 7:25; Rev 13:6). "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted, that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God." - P.F.L. Ferraris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, art. On The Pope. "For thou art another God on earth." - History of The Councils, vol X1V, pg. 109

4. It would wear out the saints (Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7). "That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood, than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history..." - William Edward Hartpole Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol.2 (London: Longmans, Green and Company, 1904). P.32.

5. It would be guilty of blasphemy (Rev 13:6; Dan 7:25). The church has claimed that the Pope is God and has the power to forgive sin. When Jesus made these claims, the Jews accused Him of blasphemy. The church, also claims that, Mary is co-Mediator and co-Redeemer, that the priests, "Create God" in The Eucharist, etc.

6. It would attempt to change times and divine law (Dan 7:25). The Ten Commandments were written with the very finger of God, yet, the Catholic church claimed the authority to delete the 2nd (graven images) and split the last to come up with ten. - The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine. It, also, "changed" the fourth - changing the day of rest/worship from the seventh day (instituted by God at Creation) to the first day of the week (officially, at the Council of Laodicea, 364 A.D.) - no man/institution can over-rule God and change His law.

7. It would exercise power over all kindreds, tongues and nations (Rev 13:7). The nations of the world, send ambassadors to this Roman church/state!

8. The dragon would give his power, seat and great authority to this beast (Rev 13:2). The Caesars of the Roman Empire gave their power, seat and authority to the Bishop of Rome in 538 A.D. The official title of the Papacy - Vicarius Filii Dei, which means, Vicar of the Son of God, adds up to 666 in Latin, Greek and Hebrew (remember, it's "the number of his name").

9. It was to continue in world domination for 1260 years (Rev 13:5; Dan 7:25). 42 months X 30 days to the Bible month = 1260 days or years (Ezek 4:6). After defeating the Ostrogoths, she arose and reigned until 1798 A.D.

10. It would receive a mortal wound (Rev 13:3). On February 10, 1798, Napoleon's general, Berthier entered Rome and took Pope Pius V1 captive (Rev 13:10). Napoleon decreed, that at the death of the Pope (in August, 1799), the Papacy would end. "Half Europe thought...that without the Pope, the Papacy was dead."

11. It would amaze the whole world, for it's deadly wound would be healed (Rev 13:3). In August, 1929, in a letter written by the Pope in Current History magazine, the Pope said, "...EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO HEAL THE WOUND." - p.847.

From the very beginning of Mussolini's dictatorship, both the church and state determined to settle the Roman question. On February 11, 1929, a concordat was signed, thus restoring the place of the Papacy, and as The S.F. Chronicle Newspaper reported, the wound was healed.

The Bible tells us who The Antichrist will work through. The Reformers: Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Knox, King James, Melanchthon and Zwingli, studied the Scripture, came to this same conclusion, and were pesecuted by the church. The time is short. It is essential, that our doctrine come from the Word of God, alone (sola scritura), for it is the only sure foundation and we are headed for difficult times.
 

china

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RE: Daniel, Revelation & World History Reveal The Antich

herald ------------------------------------------------------------------You,d make a good Bishop .
 

The Project Man

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It has come to fruition.


You are correct. The pope, in rome, is the antichrist. If you trace the current pope’s role in the sexual abuse scandal you will know this to be true. He speaks with a forked tongue, and has confused the minds of the people to believe one thing when the exact opposite is true.

You have to take the text and meaning behind the bible as in the time they were written, by whom, and for what purpose.

When the old testament was written on the surface it is a selective story of god’s chosen people. According to the book, the Jewish slaves from Egypt. If you are not of this blood line you are doomed. So the rest of the people right there are inconsequential.

When the new testament was written, the writers were under roman rule. The influences are very clear in the persecution of jesus the christ. He was set free by Pilot, a roman ruler of the area. This is the writer skirting the truth as not to get himself in trouble with the current ruling power. The blame is shifted to the jewish community because they were rebeling against rome at the time of the writing. The jewish community did not, under any circumstances “crucify” people. This a roman torture. It is accepted because people figure, well rome was ruling at the time and crucifixion sounds about right. This keeps everything nice and easy for the acceptance of the works, it coincides with the thoughts of the time.

The “One” that rises up and begins to defeat all the other rulers is rome. Carefully worded to seem that the “One” is the perpetuator of such a glorious being, Daniel 7:13 “Looking like the son of man. Coming on clouds of heaven. When he reached the One (rome) and was presented before him (rome). He received dominion, glory and kingship.” Meaning only through the roman empire the true king would gain power. This is a big ass kissing job to empower the empire on the surface. What they did not understand was that the writer was saying the romans were the one who truly killed jesus. The only way jesus was to be rightfully in his kingdom was through his death and return to heaven. Thus it is saying the “One” gave him kingship, or killed jesus which only fulfilled the ancient prophecy of the resurrection sequence.

As far as having any relevance in today’s..., anything can be traced back to some teaching. I am certain if people gave, “green Eggs and Ham” enough thought you could get something else out of it.
 

Northboy

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1. It was to arise among the ten divisions of the Roman Empire (Dan 7:8).

2. It would destroy three of the ten kingdoms (Dan 7:8). The Roman power destroyed the Heruli in A.D. 493, (2) the Vandals in A.D. 534, (3) the Ostrogoths around A.D. 538. The other seven are, still, with us today under the names of Germany, England, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Switzerland.

3. It would speak great words against the Most High (Dan 7:25; Rev 13:6). "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted, that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God." - P.F.L. Ferraris, Ecclesiastical Dictionary, art. On The Pope. "For thou art another God on earth." - History of The Councils, vol X1V, pg. 109

4. It would wear out the saints (Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7). "That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood, than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history..." - William Edward Hartpole Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol.2 (London: Longmans, Green and Company, 1904). P.32.

5. It would be guilty of blasphemy (Rev 13:6; Dan 7:25). The church has claimed that the Pope is God and has the power to forgive sin. When Jesus made these claims, the Jews accused Him of blasphemy. The church, also claims that, Mary is co-Mediator and co-Redeemer, that the priests, "Create God" in The Eucharist, etc.

6. It would attempt to change times and divine law (Dan 7:25). The Ten Commandments were written with the very finger of God, yet, the Catholic church claimed the authority to delete the 2nd (graven images) and split the last to come up with ten. - The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine. It, also, "changed" the fourth - changing the day of rest/worship from the seventh day (instituted by God at Creation) to the first day of the week (officially, at the Council of Laodicea, 364 A.D.) - no man/institution can over-rule God and change His law.

7. It would exercise power over all kindreds, tongues and nations (Rev 13:7). The nations of the world, send ambassadors to this Roman church/state!

8. The dragon would give his power, seat and great authority to this beast (Rev 13:2). The Caesars of the Roman Empire gave their power, seat and authority to the Bishop of Rome in 538 A.D. The official title of the Papacy - Vicarius Filii Dei, which means, Vicar of the Son of God, adds up to 666 in Latin, Greek and Hebrew (remember, it's "the number of his name").

9. It was to continue in world domination for 1260 years (Rev 13:5; Dan 7:25). 42 months X 30 days to the Bible month = 1260 days or years (Ezek 4:6). After defeating the Ostrogoths, she arose and reigned until 1798 A.D.

10. It would receive a mortal wound (Rev 13:3). On February 10, 1798, Napoleon's general, Berthier entered Rome and took Pope Pius V1 captive (Rev 13:10). Napoleon decreed, that at the death of the Pope (in August, 1799), the Papacy would end. "Half Europe thought...that without the Pope, the Papacy was dead."

11. It would amaze the whole world, for it's deadly wound would be healed (Rev 13:3). In August, 1929, in a letter written by the Pope in Current History magazine, the Pope said, "...EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO HEAL THE WOUND." - p.847.

From the very beginning of Mussolini's dictatorship, both the church and state determined to settle the Roman question. On February 11, 1929, a concordat was signed, thus restoring the place of the Papacy, and as The S.F. Chronicle Newspaper reported, the wound was healed.

The Bible tells us who The Antichrist will work through. The Reformers: Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Knox, King James, Melanchthon and Zwingli, studied the Scripture, came to this same conclusion, and were pesecuted by the church. The time is short. It is essential, that our doctrine come from the Word of God, alone (sola scritura), for it is the only sure foundation and we are headed for difficult times.

Welcome...

I suugest that you don't forget the Spirit in your teaching, for the Bible is full of the solutions to our present problems....

Again, welcome..

Graham.
 

El Barto

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you dare eat green eggs and survive you might aswell say its devine intervention or that your god.
Its probably as bad as magic mushrooms with a wilder trip.
 

karrie

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Welcome...

I suugest that you don't forget the Spirit in your teaching, for the Bible is full of the solutions to our present problems....

Again, welcome..

Graham.

Graham, you might want to heed post dates before replying. Dragging up a whole bunch of old posts means that a lot of the time, you're replying to members who have been inactive for ages.
 

Northboy

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Graham, you might want to heed post dates before replying. Dragging up a whole bunch of old posts means that a lot of the time, you're replying to members who have been inactive for ages.

Thanks Karrie, note taken; but its interesting this stuff comes up again at this time...

I'm trying to engage people interested in discussing not end times, because the "accepted doctrine" is not my understanding, but rather the nature, organization and implimentation of the establishment of God's Kingdom...After all, isn't that what the Christians' walk on Earth is all about??
 

sanctus

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Welcome...

I suugest that you don't forget the Spirit in your teaching, for the Bible is full of the solutions to our present problems....

Again, welcome..

Graham.
Do you honestly believe the rubbish postulated in this thread? Oh wait, God more and likely whispered in your ear that is is so, and of course you think it to be truth.
 

look3467

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Anti-Christ!
Jesus Himself said that the antichrist was here already, and the pope was not yet in power. So square that?

Here is the verse: 1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Not one but many. So the question is: what constitute an antichrist, answer: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

In defense of the Pope, He, denies not that Jesus come in the flesh.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


 

sanctus

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Anti-Christ!
Jesus Himself said that the antichrist was here already, and the pope was not yet in power. So square that?

Here is the verse: 1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

Not one but many. So the question is: what constitute an antichrist, answer: 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

In defense of the Pope, He, denies not that Jesus come in the flesh.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


I..oh never mind,,ramble away...
 

Dexter Sinister

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I..oh never mind, ramble away...

The good Father shows admirable self-restraint, especially given that he so obviously knows better than any of these literalists what it's really about.

Anyone who thinks the apocalyptic passages in Daniel and Revelation have anything literal to say about modern times is abysmally ignorant of history and the Bible's historical context. Unthinking Biblical literalism is one of the biggest impediments to really understanding Christianity and the modern world, and a boon to intolerance, ignorance, and stupidity.
 

sanctus

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The good Father shows admirable self-restraint, especially given that he so obviously knows better than any of these literalists what it's really about.

Anyone who thinks the apocalyptic passages in Daniel and Revelation have anything literal to say about modern times is abysmally ignorant of history and the Bible's historical context. Unthinking Biblical literalism is one of the biggest impediments to really understanding Christianity and the modern world, and a boon to intolerance, ignorance, and stupidity.

Well said. Now if only I could find a way to convince fundamentalist nutbars to find out exactly what the genre of apocalyptic literature actually meant in historical context.