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Apr 20th, 2006
<Snipped> the advertising links. Cosmo
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Re: Ought New Testament Greek be compuslosry in School?
Apr 20th, 2006
Is this thread/poll a joke of some kind? In 21st century Canada we are going to require new testament greek?! 
Isn't there enough problems getting people to learn their second official language without adding another to the mix? And if there were to be another language added, I can think of many others more worthy than this.
Maybe you'd have more fun playing over at christianforums.com since pushing christianity seems to your raison d'etre.
Isn't there enough problems getting people to learn their second official language without adding another to the mix? And if there were to be another language added, I can think of many others more worthy than this.
Maybe you'd have more fun playing over at christianforums.com since pushing christianity seems to your raison d'etre.
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Apr 20th, 2006
A better idea would be to make astronomy, evolutionary biology and comparative religion (we throw some NT Greek in here) compulsory for all schoolchildren. It would all but wipe out religious fanaticism in a generation.
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Apr 20th, 2006
If we were going to resurrect an old language we should bring back Latin.
#7
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Apr 20th, 2006
If we were going to resurrect an old language we should bring back Latin.
Been there, done that. Didn't like it (except for Plautus). Yawn.
How about Sanskrit? There's a cool language!
Been there, done that. Didn't like it (except for Plautus). Yawn.
How about Sanskrit? There's a cool language!
#8
RE: Ought New Testament Greek be compuslosry in School?
Apr 20th, 2006
Crusader, I don't agree with this suggestion.
I don't think that we should force persons to learn about any religion in particular (I would suggest that forcing students to learn about the New Testament, particularly in Greek, would not only require significant resources to be drawn from other subjects, but could give the implication to such students that Canada is somehow a Christian nation).
I don't think that we should force persons to learn about any religion in particular (I would suggest that forcing students to learn about the New Testament, particularly in Greek, would not only require significant resources to be drawn from other subjects, but could give the implication to such students that Canada is somehow a Christian nation).
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Apr 20th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Were you talking to me?More respect....
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Apr 20th, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Respect for what? After reading his threads on new testament greek being compuslosry(sic) in schools and making a christian international confederation what is there to have respect for?Yep.
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Re: Ought New Testament Greek be compuslosry in School?
Apr 20th, 2006
Μεγάλη Πέμπτη: Τα πασχαλινά αυγά
Το κλασικό τους χρώμα τέτοια εποχή είναι το κόκκινο. Για να συμβολίζει το Θείο Πάθος και την ανανέωση της ζωής. Ο λόγος βέβαια τα πασχαλινά αυγά που βάφουν σήμερα, Μεγάλη Πέμπτη όλες οι νοικοκυρές.
Δεν είναι όμως μόνο κόκκινα τώρα πια τα αυγά του Πάσχα. Οι καιροί άλλαξαν και τώρα τα αυγά βάφονται σε διαφορα χρώματα, ενώ πάνω τους καλλιτέχνες ζωγραφίζουν ακόμα και μικρά έργα τέχνης.
Για του λόγου του αληθές στο φωτορεπορτάζ που ακολουθεί δείτε μερικές διαφορετικές προτάσεις για τη διακόσμηση των πασχαλινών σας αυγών.
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Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
Το κλασικό τους χρώμα τέτοια εποχή είναι το κόκκινο. Για να συμβολίζει το Θείο Πάθος και την ανανέωση της ζωής. Ο λόγος βέβαια τα πασχαλινά αυγά που βάφουν σήμερα, Μεγάλη Πέμπτη όλες οι νοικοκυρές.
Δεν είναι όμως μόνο κόκκινα τώρα πια τα αυγά του Πάσχα. Οι καιροί άλλαξαν και τώρα τα αυγά βάφονται σε διαφορα χρώματα, ενώ πάνω τους καλλιτέχνες ζωγραφίζουν ακόμα και μικρά έργα τέχνης.
Για του λόγου του αληθές στο φωτορεπορτάζ που ακολουθεί δείτε μερικές διαφορετικές προτάσεις για τη διακόσμηση των πασχαλινών σας αυγών.
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Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
#14
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Apr 20th, 2006
My goodness ITN, I most certainly will not do as you asked in that post. Naughty, naughty.
#15
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Apr 20th, 2006
You don't color your eggs for Easter? 
#16
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Apr 20th, 2006
I like Green Eggs and Ham. Does that count?
#17
Re: Ought New Testament Greek be compuslosry in School?
Apr 21st, 2006
While I can understand the great advantages a common language would introduce to Christendom, I don't think it's appropriate to impose a language of such strong religious association upon non-Christians.
Acknowledging Canada's predominantly Christian population would make me support the idea that Christians could be given NT Greek as an alternative language in schools across Canada. And who knows. If enough anglophone Christians and enough Francophone Christians went for it, then this could help unite Christians Canada-wide. Anglophone Christians would not feel tha French is being imposed on them, and Francophones ditto for English. NT Greek could be the freely chosen language for both sides, which could thus be regarded as neutral ground between the two groups, so to speak. A Christian Esperanto, if you will
Another advantage with NT Greek is that, from what I have heard and read, it is quite difficult to learn. An advantage? You say. Yes, an advantage. If fundies are busy learning and propagating NT Greek, then they'll be too busy to engage in partisan politics.
So if anything, whenever we see a fundie engaging in partisan politics, we ought to try to sell him on the idea of NT Greek. If he bites, he's out out of politics for at least a few years as he's busy learning Greek
hey hey hey, I think we're on to something here. Whenever you see a fundie of any religious stripe, sell him on the idea of his religious language. Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Sanscrit, Pali, Persian, etc. They're probably all quite difficult. So once you sell the fundie on that, you knock him out of politics for awhile. Maybe that's what God had in mind when he chose his languages?
So there you go, secondary school students ought to be given the choice of learning their revelation language as an alternative. It'll be good for Canada. But please include Esperanto too for the secular types.
Acknowledging Canada's predominantly Christian population would make me support the idea that Christians could be given NT Greek as an alternative language in schools across Canada. And who knows. If enough anglophone Christians and enough Francophone Christians went for it, then this could help unite Christians Canada-wide. Anglophone Christians would not feel tha French is being imposed on them, and Francophones ditto for English. NT Greek could be the freely chosen language for both sides, which could thus be regarded as neutral ground between the two groups, so to speak. A Christian Esperanto, if you will
Another advantage with NT Greek is that, from what I have heard and read, it is quite difficult to learn. An advantage? You say. Yes, an advantage. If fundies are busy learning and propagating NT Greek, then they'll be too busy to engage in partisan politics.
So if anything, whenever we see a fundie engaging in partisan politics, we ought to try to sell him on the idea of NT Greek. If he bites, he's out out of politics for at least a few years as he's busy learning Greek
hey hey hey, I think we're on to something here. Whenever you see a fundie of any religious stripe, sell him on the idea of his religious language. Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Sanscrit, Pali, Persian, etc. They're probably all quite difficult. So once you sell the fundie on that, you knock him out of politics for awhile. Maybe that's what God had in mind when he chose his languages?
So there you go, secondary school students ought to be given the choice of learning their revelation language as an alternative. It'll be good for Canada. But please include Esperanto too for the secular types.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Crusader
Separation of church and state ... it's become my mantra. Teach kids to read English before we start worrying about other languages is my opinion.Do you think the New Testament Greek ought to be a compusory subject for all Children Canada-wide as of the age of ten?
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Actually the phonology of what you refer to as NT Greek (Which is in essence Classical or ancient Greek) helps very much for someone to learn to read and pronounce the Greek Language almost immediately. Grammar is another matter, but anyone with about an hour or two of study can learn to read Greek with no problem.Another advantage with NT Greek is that, from what I have heard and read, it is quite difficult to learn. An advantage? You say. Yes, an advantage. If fundies are busy learning and propagating NT Greek, then they'll be too busy to engage in partisan politics.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by I think not
Well, at least the grammer will keep 'em busy. Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoActually the phonology of what you refer to as NT Greek (Which is in essence Classical or ancient Greek) helps very much for someone to learn to read and pronounce the Greek Language almost immediately. Grammar is another matter, but anyone with about an hour or two of study can learn to read Greek with no problem.Another advantage with NT Greek is that, from what I have heard and read, it is quite difficult to learn. An advantage? You say. Yes, an advantage. If fundies are busy learning and propagating NT Greek, then they'll be too busy to engage in partisan politics.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Cosmo
Quote: Originally Posted by CrusaderSeparation of church and state ... it's become my mantra. Teach kids to read English before we start worrying about other languages is my opinion.Do you think the New Testament Greek ought to be a compusory subject for all Children Canada-wide as of the age of ten?
Ah, but you don't get it Cosmo. What happens once they've mastered their native language? They start looking for something else to keep themselves busy. So if it's not greek, it's fundie politics. So what would you prefer they engage in? I say introducce 'em to greek before they start to think about politics. Let's call it the great switcharoo. Keeps 'em busy without the threat of a "Crusader" style theocracy. So Crusader, if you're reading this, get out of politics and start learning Greek. Trust me, it'll keep you busy day and night doing the work of the LORD.
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Apr 21st, 2006
Thanks for the sarcasm Machjo.
Those comments were extremely rude. And I'm not a fundie; just a regular Christian.
Thanks and God bless.
Those comments were extremely rude. And I'm not a fundie; just a regular Christian.
Thanks and God bless.
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Apr 21st, 2006
And ITN. What does that mean, by the way?
I really would like to learn Greek, but too busy with the wife homeschooling the kids.
But they are learning Greek on Saturdays at the local Greek Orthodox church.
I really would like to learn Greek, but too busy with the wife homeschooling the kids.
But they are learning Greek on Saturdays at the local Greek Orthodox church.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Crusader
Allow me to apologize on behalf of the membership.Thanks for the sarcasm Machjo.
Those comments were extremely rude. And I'm not a fundie; just a regular Christian.
Thanks and God bless.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
Thanks Jay, but I've forgiven already, "for they know not"... Quote: Originally Posted by CrusaderAllow me to apologize on behalf of the membership.Thanks for the sarcasm Machjo.
Those comments were extremely rude. And I'm not a fundie; just a regular Christian.
Thanks and God bless.
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Apr 21st, 2006
I'll say though that, his sarcasm and disrespect aside, I have to agree with Machjo's principle that a common language would certainly help to unite Christians across Canada. but he could have added, the world.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Crusader
Yeah I wasn't quite clear, my first post of the day, still waking up, didn't get much sleep. Anyway.And ITN. What does that mean, by the way?
I really would like to learn Greek, but too busy with the wife homeschooling the kids.
But they are learning Greek on Saturdays at the local Greek Orthodox church.
I hope they are learning Modern Greek
The Greek language is largely phonetic, meaning each letter in the alphabet is prounounced a certain way, and never changes. If you learn how to pronounce each letter in the alphabet (24) you can virtually read words, sentences and so on.
In contrast with English where you combine T + H and get different sounds, example "Thyroid", "Then". Greek also doesn't combine letters to alter the sounds, how it is pronounced in the alphabet is they way it is pronounced in words. In other words if you learn how to pronounce all letters in the Greek alphabet, you can read Greek. The phonetic code is the basis.
Again, grammar (as well as spelling) is a bit complicated, but once you learn to read, then you can slowly pickup everything else.
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Apr 21st, 2006
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I hope they are learning Modern Greek
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Nope. They're learning the real thing. They're learning to read teh Septuagint. And at home, the wife teaches them the King James Bible.
I hope they are learning Modern Greek
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Nope. They're learning the real thing. They're learning to read teh Septuagint. And at home, the wife teaches them the King James Bible.
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Apr 21st, 2006Quote: Originally Posted by Crusader
Believe it or not, the phonetics haven't changed in thousands of years, so whichever they learn, they will still be able to read Modern Greek. The grammar isn't that much different either although the spelling does change.Quote: Originally Posted by I think notNope. They're learning the real thing. They're learning to read teh Septuagint. And at home, the wife teaches them the King James Bible.I hope they are learning Modern Greek
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