The foundation of Christianity is based on ignorance


tay
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"The whole foundation of Christianity is based on the idea that intellectualism is the work of the Devil. Remember the apple on the tree? Okay, it was the Tree of Knowledge. You eat this apple, you're going to be as smart as God. We can't have that."

Frank Zappa
 
Nick Danger
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This would vallidate the trend that organized religion is having trouble keeping people prone to thinking for themselves within their ranks.
 
taxslave
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The foundation of any religion is keeping the peons poor and ignorant.
 
petros
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And yet Christianity has educated billions of people.
 
Nick Danger
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

And yet Christianity has educated billions of people.

In what aspect?
 
petros
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Schools.

During the Middle Ages, the Church rose to replace the Roman Empire as the unifying force in Europe. The cathedrals of that age remain among the most iconic feats of architecture produced by Western civilization. Many of Europe's universities were also founded by the church at that time. Many historians state that universities and cathedral schools were a continuation of the interest in learning promoted by monasteries.[2] The university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting.
 
Nick Danger
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You've got a point there, but how many of those efforts are motivated by financial desire (private schools) and how many include some degree of Christian indoctrination? It would be one thing if such "education" was an outright gift, but having a private agenda does tend to taint any charitable aspects.
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petros
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Zappa missed the mark on his comment. The apple story is an Old Testement Israelite thing.

Christ came along and said "Great story but it's a story, there is no sin in knowledge."
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Zappa missed the mark on his comment. The apple story is an Old Testement Israelite thing.

Christ came ali g and said "Great story but it's a story, there is no sin in knowledge."


Don't bother, petros. In their world, Ignorance is obviously their bliss.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Don't bother, petros. In their world, Ignorance is obviously their bliss.

They should have tried the sweet apple. It's okay to indulge and spread it around.

Apple Pi

Now thanks be unto God, who always causeth us to triumph in Christ and who maketh manifest through us the savor of His knowledge in every place.
 
Nick Danger
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"If you do the right thing for the wrong reasons, the work becomes corrupted, impure, and ultimately self-destructive." - Lennier
 
petros
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All personal choice on how you use knowledge.
 
Nick Danger
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That's a huge problem with much of organized religion, personal choice and independent thinking are not really encouraged. For the most part it's life "by the book". Granted some people really need things spelled out for them, but others are easily led by those with a less-than-religious agenda. Look at what the perversion of religious teachings has given us in the past, and how it is being used today as a tool of war.
 
Jinentonix
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Actually, the tree name got short formed. It wasn't the "Tree of Knowledge" It was the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Although the story does show what an a$$hole "God" is. He creates this perfect paradise but puts a fruit tree in it that Adam isn't supposed to go near knowing full well he was going to happen anyway. So basically God set up Adam and Eve to fail and then got pissed off at them when they met his expectations. And on top of it all, he let Satan sneak in and offer up the temptation. Good security there, God.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nick DangerView Post

That's a huge problem with much of organized religion, personal choice and independent thinking are not really encouraged.

Is it really discouraged? By who?

Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

Actually, the tree name got short formed. It wasn't the "Tree of Knowledge" It was the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Although the story does show what an a$$hole "God" is. He creates this perfect paradise but puts a fruit tree in it that Adam isn't supposed to go near knowing full well he was going to happen anyway. So basically God set up Adam and Eve to fail and then got pissed off at them when they met his expectations. And on top of it all, he let Satan sneak in and offer up the temptation. Good security there, God.

Maybe, just maybe you're reading into something that isn't there?
 
Nick Danger
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Is it really discouraged? By who?

I suspect that the list of "Who doesn't discourage" would be shorter. Isn't the essence of most religious teachings a set of rules to live by? You know, the whole Ten Commandments sort of thing? Doesn't that presume an inability of people to figure out right from wrong themselves?
 
gerryh
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nick DangerView Post

I suspect that the list of "Who doesn't discourage" would be shorter. Isn't the essence of most religious teachings a set of rules to live by? You know, the whole Ten Commandments sort of thing? Doesn't that presume an inability of people to figure out right from wrong themselves?


Oh, you mean similar to, but no where near as encompassing, as societal laws?
 
Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post



Maybe, just maybe you're reading into something that isn't there?

Nope. If you read the story carefully, Adam and Eve were set up to fail. If God didn't want them eating the fruit from that one tree, why the hell put it there in the first place then?
The story is just an allegory though, used to explain how we ended up feeling things like pride and shame etc. but it also makes God look like a complete jerk.
 
Danbones
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"there is no right or wrong, only thinking makes it so" - shakespeare


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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

And yet Christianity has educated billions of people.

not with real education
Christianity, as are the other two monotheistic religions, is total FAKENEWS
 
Nick Danger
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Oh, you mean similar to, but no where near as encompassing, as societal laws?

To a point. I think we see religious codes abused on a regular basis, societal laws not so much.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by gerryhView Post

Oh, you mean similar to, but no where near as encompassing, as societal laws?

As in societal laws, religious laws are there to protect those in charge, not the sheeple. The first police forces were formed to protect the rich from the poor, and religious laws were to protect the priest cast. The church of Rome had their own standing army and the inquisition to deal with those who questioned their authority.
 
Nick Danger
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That could be more of a statistical thing Cliffy. Our materialistic society leads to greater frustration among the poor, hence the higher crime rates. The same laws still apply to the rich.

Another point is that religious "law" is often based upon ancient writings that 1.) have not kept pace with the social evolution of society, and 2.) lend themselves to various, often ambiguous, interpretations. Fundamentalists often lose the "spirit" of religious law in their cleavage to the written word.
 
Danbones
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The center of diversity of the genus Malus is in eastern present-day Turkey. The apple tree was perhaps the earliest tree to be cultivated...
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tree of knowledge...civilization
get it?
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by Nick DangerView Post

That could be more of a statistical thing Cliffy. Our materialistic society leads to greater frustration among the poor, hence the higher crime rates. The same laws still apply to the rich.

Another point is that religious "law" is often based upon ancient writings that 1.) have not kept pace with the social evolution of society, and 2.) lend themselves to various, often ambiguous, interpretations. Fundamentalists often lose the "spirit" of religious law in their cleavage to the written word.

I would question whether the law applies equally to the rich. Too many cases where that has proven to be untrue.
 
Nick Danger
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I would question whether the law applies equally to the rich. Too many cases where that has proven to be untrue.

Good point. The rich are more prone to "fancy lawyering" their way out of trouble than those of limited means. That's the gap between the ideal and the reality.
 
petros
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Quote: Originally Posted by JinentonixView Post

Nope. If you read the story carefully, Adam and Eve were set up to fail. If God didn't want them eating the fruit from that one tree, why the hell put it there in the first place then?
The story is just an allegory though, used to explain how we ended up feeling things like pride and shame etc. but it also makes God look like a complete jerk.

Freedom of choice. That's what it symbolizes.

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

As in societal laws, religious laws are there to protect those in charge, not the sheeple. The first police forces were formed to protect the rich from the poor, and religious laws were to protect the priest cast. The church of Rome had their own standing army and the inquisition to deal with those who questioned their authority.

And they have exactly what to do with Christ's teaching which are the foundation of Christianity?

Quote: Originally Posted by Nick DangerView Post

Good point. The rich are more prone to "fancy lawyering" their way out of trouble than those of limited means. That's the gap between the ideal and the reality.

How does that relate to Christianity?
 
Danbones
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indulgences
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petros
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You already have been. 2040 years ago.
 
DaSleeper
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And for Cliffy


 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by petrosView Post

Freedom of choice. That's what it symbolizes.


And they have exactly what to do with Christ's teaching which are the foundation of Christianity?



How does that relate to Christianity?

At risk of derailing the thread there is the not igsignificant matter of the churches hiding knowledge of pedophile priests.
 

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