For The Time Will Come

Motar
#1
"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." (2 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)


In a Roman prison awaiting execution for his faith, the apostle Paul warns the evangelist Timothy at Ephesus of approaching apostasy and its antidote:

Keep your head and preach the word.
 
Ludlow
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#2
Saul did use fear and guilt for not following a certain lifestyle which like a ship floating on stormy seas contradicted grace one moment, and the next moment not.
 
Motar
#3
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

Saul did use fear and guilt for not following a certain lifestyle which like a ship floating on stormy seas contradicted grace one moment, and the next moment not.

"That God takes apostasy and false teaching seriously is evidenced by the fact that every New Testament book except Philemon contains warnings about false teaching. Why is this? Simply because ideas have consequences."
What is apostasy and how can I recognize it? (external - login to view)
 
Ludlow
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Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"That God takes apostasy and false teaching seriously is evidenced by the fact that every New Testament book except Philemon contains warnings about false teaching. Why is this? Simply because ideas have consequences."
What is apostasy and how can I recognize it? (external - login to view)

I like the parable of the new wineskins and the old wineskins. Perhaps grace didn't seem to be enough. Let me ask you this Motar. How do you earn a gift?
 
MHz
#5
Any deviation from universal salvation is a false doctrine. If you are conceived you will end up being part of the group that is alive for the 1,000 year reign or you will become alive at the Great White Throne which is the last event before the perfected new earth era begins. Period.

With that in mind it should be impossible to control anybody by telling them they have to do this or that or your fate will be different that what is printed above. That being said if the clergy is corrupt and you still attend that Church you will suffer the same fate as the clergy by missing out on being alive for the 1,000 years even though many would qualify to be alive for that time but they chose to believe a lie rather than leave that Church for a better relationship with God via the Scriptures and through Prayer.
 
Ludlow
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Any deviation from universal salvation is a false doctrine. If you are conceived you will end up being part of the group that is alive for the 1,000 year reign or you will become alive at the Great White Throne which is the last event before the perfected new earth era begins. Period.

With that in mind it should be impossible to control anybody by telling them they have to do this or that or your fate will be different that what is printed above. That being said if the clergy is corrupt and you still attend that Church you will suffer the same fate as the clergy by missing out on being alive for the 1,000 years even though many would qualify to be alive for that time but they chose to believe a lie rather than leave that Church for a better relationship with God via the Scriptures and through Prayer.

That is about the most meaningless drivel I've ever heard. Perhaps you should hire a retardo speak translator
 
Motar
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

I like the parable of the new wineskins and the old wineskins. Perhaps grace didn't seem to be enough. Let me ask you this Motar. How do you earn a gift?

We are indeed saved by grace (unmerited divine favor), LL. But so many forget that 1) Jesus came full of grace and truth, and 2) we are sanctified by truth.

A spoon full of sugar (grace) helps the medicine (truth) go down. The medicine is truth.
Last edited by Motar; Aug 4th, 2016 at 09:19 PM..
 
Ludlow
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

We are indeed saved by grace (unmerited divine favor), LL. But so many forget that 1) Jesus came full of grace and truth, and 2) we are sanctified by truth.

A spoon full of sugar (grace) helps the medicine (truth) go down. The medicine is truth.

What people forget, are the words of Jesus. That's what people forget in favor of the wannabe Motar.
 
Cliffy
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Ludlow
#10
Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

Interesting how the multi millionaire treated his sister in Missouri.. What he had to say means nothing Cliffy.

Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

What people forget, are the words of Jesus. That's what people forget in favor of the wannabe Motar.

and that's not all they forget
 
petros
#11
WW3? Cliffy says we are waiting on WW12

Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

maybe you will come back as a squirtle?
 
Motar
#12
Quote: Originally Posted by LudlowView Post

What people forget, are the words of Jesus.

Agree, LL.

"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." (John 17:17 NIV)
Last edited by Motar; Aug 5th, 2016 at 10:14 AM..
 
taxslave
#13
My gawd is better than your gawd.
 
Ludlow
+1
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Agree, LL.

"Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth." (John 17:17 NIV)

Not getting through. Nevermind.
 
Cliffy
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Motar
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." (2 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)


In a Roman prison awaiting execution for his faith, the apostle Paul warns the evangelist Timothy at Ephesus of approaching apostasy and its antidote:

Keep your head and preach the word.

Practically-speaking, preaching the word includes walking the talk, in season when it is convenient and out of season when it is unpopular to do so.
 
eh1eh
+1
#17
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"That God takes apostasy and false teaching seriously is evidenced by the fact that every New Testament book except Philemon contains warnings about false teaching. Why is this? Simply because ideas have consequences."
What is apostasy and how can I recognize it? (external - login to view)


So, death to apostates? I'm betting there is a bible verse that says just that thing.

Oh, look, here's one.

Deuteronomy 13:6-9 "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying: Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other, or gods of other religions), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people."

'nother one.


euteronomy 17:3-5 "And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die."

damn, another.

2 Chronicles 15:13 "All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman."

I know what you're saying, 'but that's the old testament' the new testament replaces all those old things.'

Wrong.

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-1"


Hey Christianity is the same as Islam.



Jesus Akbar.


Hello from the other side...

Quran (4:89) (external - login to view) - "They wish that you should reject faith as they reject faith, and then you would be equal; therefore take not to yourselves friends of them, until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them; take not to yourselves any one of them as friend or helper." Verse 4:65 (external - login to view) says that those who have faith are in "full submission" to Muhammad's teachings. This verse explains what should happen to Muslims who do not have faith.

Sahih Bukhari (52:260) (external - login to view) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari (83:37) (external - login to view) - "Allah's Apostle never killed anyone except in one of the following three situations: (1) A person who killed somebody unjustly, was killed (in Qisas,) (2) a married person who committed illegal sexual intercourse and (3) a man who fought against Allah and His Apostle and deserted Islam and became an apostate."

Sahih Bukhari (84:57) (external - login to view) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Sahih Bukhari (89:271) (external - login to view) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (84:5 - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) (external - login to view) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'" This verse from the Hadith is worse than it appears because it isn't speaking solely of apostates, but those who say they believe but don't put their religion into practice.


Other verses that seem to support the many Hadith that establish the death sentence for apostates are Quran verses 2:217 (external - login to view), 9:73-74 (external - login to view), 88:21 (external - login to view), 5:54 (external - login to view), 9:66 (external - login to view).


You know there are so many in the Quaran that I could go on all night.
Hope you feel good about your religions.
 
DaSleeper
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eh1eh
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

He's an apostate.
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

"In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." (2 Timothy 4:1-5 NIV)


In a Roman prison awaiting execution for his faith, the apostle Paul warns the evangelist Timothy at Ephesus of approaching apostasy and its antidote:

Keep your head and preach the word.

Very good advice .What is the word?
 
eh1eh
+1
#21
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Very good advice .What is the word?


Pretty sure it's hypocrisy.
 
DaSleeper
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#22
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

He's an apostate.

A lot of people can be called apostates

I got a family Bible when I got married...(an old family tradition...
I opened it once to check my name and my wife's name and the date we got married
I opened it a second time when my daughter was born and a third time when my son was born to write it in.

Some might call me an apostate even if I try to live according to Christian standards...
Except for turning the other cheek...
 
darkbeaver
#23
Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

Pretty sure it's hypocrisy.

Who's immune?
 
eh1eh
#24
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

A lot of people can be called apostates

I got a family Bible when I got married...(an old family tradition...
I opened it once to check my name and my wife's name and the date we got married
I opened it a second time when my daughter was born and a third time when my son was born to write it in.

Some might call me an apostate even if I try to live according to Christian standards...
Except for turning the other cheek...


And some would call you an infidel.
It's all a state of mind. Belief and faith.
 
Motar
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaverView Post

Very good advice .What is the word?

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made ... The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:1-3; 14)
 
DaSleeper
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Quote: Originally Posted by eh1ehView Post

And some would call you an infidel.
It's all a state of mind. Belief and faith.

In french there is a phrase to describe people who are very public about their religion and keep quoting the bible or other such books
and preach to others
We call them "Mangeux de balustre"
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

A lot of people can be called apostates

I got a family Bible when I got married...(an old family tradition...
I opened it once to check my name and my wife's name and the date we got married
I opened it a second time when my daughter was born and a third time when my son was born to write it in.

Some might call me an apostate even if I try to live according to Christian standards...
Except for turning the other cheek...

Salt of the earth. Drop my name at the heavenly gates.I dare you.
 
Motar
#28
Quote: Originally Posted by DaSleeperView Post

A lot of people can be called apostates

Agree, DS.

apostate (n.)
mid-14c., "one who forsakes his religion or faith," from Old French apostate (Modern French apostat) and directly from Late Latin apostata, from Greek apostasia "defection, desertion, rebellion," from apostenai "to defect," literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" (see apo-) + stenai "to stand." Used in non-religious situations (politics, etc.) from mid-14c.
Online Etymology Dictionary (external - login to view)
 
darkbeaver
#29
Rebel and live. There is no other way. If you won't struggle you won't live.
 
Motar
#30
Quote: Originally Posted by MotarView Post

Agree, DS.

apostate (n.)
mid-14c., "one who forsakes his religion or faith," from Old French apostate (Modern French apostat) and directly from Late Latin apostata, from Greek apostasia "defection, desertion, rebellion," from apostenai "to defect," literally "to stand off," from apo- "away from" (see apo-) + stenai "to stand." Used in non-religious situations (politics, etc.) from mid-14c.
Online Etymology Dictionary (external - login to view)

Apostasy = unfaithfulness
 
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