Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Not even gods. Just some mythological beings that evil people use to control the uneducated and gullible.
Points for accuracy.
Quote: Originally Posted by Jinentonix
Of course they're not moral. No god is. Man created them as well as the laws and rules we attribute to them.
However, since there's no real universal definition of what constitutes moral behavior, how do we decide what's moral and what isn't?
Islam teaches that lying to advance the religion in non-Muslim cultures is perfectly acceptable. In fact, lying to non-Muslims about anything is acceptable.
The Bible says, "Thou shalt not kill", and yet how many people did God kill directly, or even indirectly through the Israelites. Hell, he kills people just because he's pissed off at them. Yeah, there's a good role model to try and pass off as a kind, loving god; a mass murderer who's quick to anger and with no impulse control.
I mean the guy gets pissed off at one city and decides to basically firebomb it, taking out like 6 other cities while also wreaking havoc on the people who still lived in the surrounding countryside. Yeah, there's a real morality lesson.
You left me with nothing to argue.
I will dispute this lightly though.
"However, since there's no real universal definition of what constitutes moral behavior, how do we decide what's moral and what isn't?"
This link seems to think we are close to knowing what a universal morality looks like and about 70 % can name their 5 top moral tenets.
That is not 100% of course but if we were to sit with most people to get past language and terms, I think we would be in the high 90's in agreement.
www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_ha...nd?language=en (external - login to view)
The only people that I have questioned on this that do not agree are the religious and they indicate that the moral is ok but that their God is allowed to do the immoral because he is the only one who knows the whole future.
That od course is a cop out on their part. That old fear of God thing always has the religious cowards developing an immoral double moral standard where they can forgive and love God for doing what they rightly condemn men for.
I see that as one of the greater evils or religions.
Last edited by French Patriot; May 5th, 2016 at 01:47 PM..