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Bible throne references: 172
OT throne references: 119
NT throne references: 53
Revelation throne references: 38 (the most in any book of the Bible)
God's throne references in Revelation: 35

To whom do the other 3 throne references in Revelation belong? What is the Biblical outcome of this "game of thrones"?
 
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Motar said:
To whom do the other 3 throne references in Revelation belong?
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"The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." (Revelation 13:2 NIV)

A supernatural player active in the latter days of human history.
 
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Ludlow said:
I don't understand what you're trying to say Ma'am. I use to get into that prophecy stuff about thirty years or more ago.
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Biblically-speaking, LL, there are just two thrones/kingdoms in the universe and the contest between them drives all human conflict.
 
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Ludlow said:
Oh. Is one good and one bad? And are they equally powerful? Not baiting just wanted to understand how you believe on things
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It is a one-sided contest, LL. One throne is as legitimate and supreme as the other is illegitimate and flawed.
 
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Ludlow said:
Okay that's an interesting belief. Thank you. :).
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Illegitimate throne:

"You said in your heart, 'I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (Isaiah 14:13-14 NIV)

Legitimate throne:

"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!" (Philippians 2:6-8 NIV)
 
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Ludlow said:
You asked me, relative to your belief system , which side would I choose. Good or evil. Not sure why a person would ask that type of question.
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The two-kingdom perspective:

"A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:24-30 NIV)

There is the "lord it over them" kingdom and the "servant" kingdom. Which one appeals to you? Why?
Nothing nefarious : ) Just interested in your point of view.
 
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I honestly haven't given it much thought lately Motar. I do view scripture differently but I'm not thinking my views are as interesting as yours. I'm not Christian so it would probably turn into another useless debate . There may not be a label my opinion would fit under. Was just curious as to what you were talking about. Thanks.
 
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Motar said:
The two-kingdom perspective:

"A dispute also arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest. Jesus said to them, “The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who exercise authority over them call themselves Benefactors. But you are not to be like that. Instead, the greatest among you should be like the youngest, and the one who rules like the one who serves. For who is greater, the one who is at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who is at the table? But I am among you as one who serves. You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:24-30 NIV)

There is the "lord it over them" kingdom and the "servant" kingdom. Which one appeals to you? Why?
Nothing nefarious : ) Just interested in your point of view.
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Having experienced both kingdoms personally, LL, my preference is for the servant kingdom. Ironically, the ultimate destiny of the "lord it over them" king is to acquiesce to the "servant" King.
 
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Luke was an interesting character. The books of Isaiah are interesting as well. There is dispute on Ch. 14 which opens up an interesting study. I've always liked reading about it.
 
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Ludlow said:
Luke was an interesting character. The books of Isaiah are interesting as well. There is dispute on Ch. 14 which opens up an interesting study. I've always liked reading about it.
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Luke is an attractive witness, LL. His precision as a scientist is evident. His compassion as a caregiver comes into view. And his unique Gentile perspective engages. I have been escorted to Isaiah's record many times in my Christian experience. I am regularly encouraged and admonished by both the scribe and the Spirit of truth. What dispute do you find?
 
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Oh Motar it's easy enough to explore Isaiah Ch. 14 without displaying the differing interpretations in a forum like this. To debate the ideas in here would just be an unnecessary performance. Google is a good tool as I'm sure you know. Yours , as you say, is a Christian experience. Mine is not.
 
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Ludlow said:
Oh Motar it's easy enough to explore Isaiah Ch. 14 without displaying the differing interpretations in a forum like this. To debate the ideas in here would just be an unnecessary performance. Google is a good tool as I'm sure you know. Yours , as you say, is a Christian experience. Mine is not.
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I am interested in hearing your thoughts on Isaiah 14, LL.
 
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