Priest says women bring violence onto themselves

Priest says women bring violence onto themselves

tay

#1Dec 28th, 2012

A CATHOLIC PRIEST has sparked outrage in Italy by claiming that women bring sexual and physical violence on themselves by dressing provocatively and neglecting housework, Italian media are reporting today.

Fr Piero Corsi said in a Christmas message posted on the door of his church in the small parish of San Terenzo, near Lerici and La Spezia in northwest Italy:

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damngrumpy

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Dec 28th, 2012

This goes to the heart of the matter as to why I gave up on this church long ago.
All I can say is welcome to the twelfth century. Here society is trying to get the
Middle East and Asia to understand the world has changed since the Middle Ages
and the Christians espouse the same nonsense as those they have by and large
been critical of in this social belief.
Personal restraint is the by word here, just because you see a woman does not
mean you have the right to assault her, what part of that does this priest not yet
understand?
I can't believe what I hear sometimes, then again there was that other social and
conservative Christian who gave us his wisdom on "legitimate rape" what ever that
means.
When are these people going to realize we are living in the twenty first century?

captain morgan

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

This goes to the heart of the matter as to why I gave up on this church long ago.
All I can say is welcome to the twelfth century. Here society is trying to get the
Middle East and Asia to understand the world has changed since the Middle Ages
and the Christians espouse the same nonsense as those they have by and large
been critical of in this social belief.
Personal restraint is the by word here, just because you see a woman does not
mean you have the right to assault her, what part of that does this priest not yet
understand?
I can't believe what I hear sometimes, then again there was that other social and
conservative Christian who gave us his wisdom on "legitimate rape" what ever that
means.
When are these people going to realize we are living in the twenty first century?

One priest in a remote Northern Italian community says something that you don't approve of and automatically he speaks for every Christian on the planet.

Forgive me for saying so, but that is some of the most myopic logic that I have ever seen

WLDB

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan

One priest in a remote Northern Italian community says something that you don't approve of and automatically he speaks for every Christian on the planet.

When speaking at a church as a priest he is representing the Catholic Church. Unless of course someone higher up has said the priest was only giving his own personal opinion.

As for what he said, I don't care if women are walking the streets naked it does not give license to anyone to assault or rape her.

captain morgan

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

When speaking at a church as a priest he is representing the Catholic Church.

Fun Fact: The Catholic Church does allow for disagreement on issues... Just sayin'

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

Unless of course someone higher up has said the priest was only giving his own personal opinion.

Expect the Vatican to articulate their position on this

damngrumpy

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Dec 28th, 2012

Should we get into the othe things said by this church over the last several years
and even that last several centuries? I don't think many Catholics want to go there.
I used to go to Mass and I realized these people were continuing in the same old
belief system as they have done for centuries, Exit I did. its not just the first small
statement made by a humble priest in a remote Italian Village.
The priests are well educated and university educated and immersed in theology
and supposedly sensitivity. its not like we are talking about an uneducated hermit
from the mountains or something.
No I am talking about religious people who think that everyone should believe what
they believe, everyone should dress to their approval and everyone should see the
world of religion from their point of view.
We live in an age where people can dress how they want, and the law states that
others are going to have to comply with the wishes of the citizens when it comes to
being accountable for their behaviour.
It is time religion got with the program, and joined the twenty first century. Its not
the single comment its the general belief that because they believe they are superior
not true of any of us Personally I have many friends who are religious and I have a
lot of respect for them, but when an idiot like this speaks utter nonsense the tolerance
on the bull**it meter is severely strained..

IdRatherBeSkiing

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

As for what he said, I don't care if women are walking the streets naked it does not give license to anyone to assault or rape her.

Agreed. I am all for trying that as well.

captain morgan

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Should we get into the othe things said by this church over the last several years
and even that last several centuries?

I understand that one of the other reasons that you don't support the Church is because they once said that the Earth was flat and that the Sun revolved around the Earth.

I can see how your contemporary view of Catholicism would be devastated by such lack of understanding by the church back in the times of Copernicus.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I don't think many Catholics want to go there.

Catholics understand that things in life evolve, just as the Church has over the many hundreds of years of its existence.

This is your problem DG. The notion that you need to brand all of Christianity based on the comments by one Priest in s remote Northern community speaks volumes regarding your levels of tolerance for those that you disagree with.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I used to go to Mass and I realized these people were continuing in the same old
belief system as they have done for centuries, Exit I did.

That's fine.. You don't maintain enough common ground and decided it was not for you, but what you're doing now is solely taking a run at them for any reason that comes down the pipe.

Quite frankly, that is a strong sign of one that is unsure about things

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

its not just the first small
statement made by a humble priest in a remote Italian Village.

Any examples?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

The priests are well educated and university educated and immersed in theology
and supposedly sensitivity. its not like we are talking about an uneducated hermit
from the mountains or something.

Are they not entitled to having opinions on issues?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

No I am talking about religious people who think that everyone should believe what
they believe, everyone should dress to their approval and everyone should see the
world of religion from their point of view.

Ironic - this is exactly what you are doing

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing

Agreed. I am all for trying that as well.

A few years back when I lived in Vancouver, a local women's group organized a topless march through Kits to downtown to protest the inequality that men can be topless in public, but women can't (couldn't).

They succeeded in getting the parade route lined with men with their camera equipment at the ready... Sadly, they failed to get suitable legislation in place.

Sal

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Dec 28th, 2012

I note that to make matters even worse while attempting to extricate himself he took a slam at the gay community as well.

JLM

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

A CATHOLIC PRIEST has sparked outrage in Italy by claiming that women bring sexual and physical violence on themselves by dressing provocatively and neglecting housework, Italian media are reporting today.

Fr Piero Corsi said in a Christmas message posted on the door of his church in the small parish of San Terenzo, near Lerici and La Spezia in northwest Italy:

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Priest says women bring sexual and physical violence on themselves

The ultimate responsibility lies with the abuser and because there are lots of these guys around, a wise woman wouldn't put herself in a situation that could lead to harm. But that doesn't detract from the guilt or blame of the abuser. But then when it comes to matters sexual, priests are possibly not the most reliable authority on the subject.

damngrumpy

#11

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Dec 28th, 2012

The Catholic Church has been the organ player for the Americans in Central and
South America and they have held back modern thinking and personal progress
of the human race for centuries. When it comes to now and how the church has
evolved it hasn't moved very far from the Spanish Inquisition actually.
Their stand on everything is to resist any and all change as long as possible.
They have had undue influence on governments and society in general.
Taking a run at them no, I am pointing out that it is time for the church to come to
grips with itself and expand its thinking.
The reason religion is losing its influence is that education has debunked most of
the belief system itself. As you put it, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the
earth, and God made it all in six days. Women have been kept down and in some
cases kept out of the main sacraments in terms of participation, mainly they cannot
be priests what nonsense. Then again priest can't marry, hello we are living in
another time.
I do think the church is an enigma as they also do a lot of good in inner city communities
and especially through St, Vincent De Paul a group I still support.
It is time however for religion in general to step out and embrace the twenty first century.
I would consider the church more favorably if for example the Pope was elected by the
people who support the church instead of a group of unchanging old guys who protect
their own self interest. The old boys club in Rome has to go, and the church must reflect
those who put the money in the collection plate.
I am not against the church in all things I think it has to reflect the values of a changing
society to give it meaning in a modern world.
I used to be a proud Catholic but that has become increasingly difficult in the past twenty or
so years.

Locutus

#12

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Dec 28th, 2012

Fark headline is better:

Italian priest writes that women might have themselves to blame for domestic violence and sexual assault. Women show remarkable restraint by allowing him to remain alive

eh1eh

#13

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Dec 28th, 2012

Calm down everyone. In 400 years the 'Church' will admit this is wrong...
Like didn't the just pardon Copernicus? See, no problem.

captain morgan

#14

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

The Catholic Church has been the organ player for the Americans in Central and
South America

Watched a show on Discovery about the Aztecs... Sacrificed 80,000 in a three day ritual (annual I might add) to appease their Gods.... Hmmm, I wonder what kind of progressive impact it had on that society?

Say, but why should we stop at the Americas? Europe, Asia and the ME have had plenty of influence from the Vatican... And influence from the Moors, Islam, the mongols, Hannibal and crew, Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, etc, etc, etc..

Interesting that despite all of the aforementioned left behind legacies of advancement (including flat Earth btw), they are mired in death, bloodshed and pillaging.... Funny how you pious folk seem to justify those events, but get your panties all in a bunch when the Catholic Church is mentioned.

Funny how that works, eh?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

and they have held back modern thinking and personal progress
of the human race for centuries.

Example?... Oh, that's right; you don't like providing any back-up to your comments when requested

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

When it comes to now and how the church has
evolved it hasn't moved very far from the Spanish Inquisition actually.

Incorrect. the only perspective that has not evolved is yours

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Their stand on everything is to resist any and all change as long as possible.

They are their own organization. Who in the hell are you to dictate what their norms and practices should be... In fact, who says that your morals, ethics and code of practice are somehow 'what ought to be'?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

They have had undue influence on governments and society in general.

Like unions maybe?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Taking a run at them no,

Laughing my a$$ off at that one... You don't even realize that you are taking a de facto position that is identical to which you deride the Church

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I am pointing out that it is time for the church to come to
grips with itself and expand its thinking.

You don't want to be a part of it, then don't.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

The reason religion is losing its influence is that education has debunked most of
the belief system itself.

Like the IPCC and global warming?

You're cracking me up... This is comedy GOLD

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

As you put it, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the
earth, and God made it all in six days.

... And it comes down to this... You have no logic to the argument, so you fabricate comments that I (allegedly) made and critique the fiction.

Pretty Sad DG... Pretty sad

damngrumpy

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Dec 28th, 2012

Thank you Locutus, the last line I initially missed where the old woman suggests this
priest be quiet as there are secrets that he would not want to get out. Ah yes as when
arguing with my relatives, the church always comes back to secrets and stuffing life
into the closet of some kind.
Incidentally I am not raging against the church I just wish it would clean up its act,
it hasn't taken responsibility for its behavior and it passes on its law suits to the parishioners
at every turn.
we must have accountability, as they say once born a Catholic and baptised one is a
member like it or not. Well I think seeing as the Church has a whole political ritual and
is involved on the world scene the members of the church should vote for the leadership
and the direction of the church in its policies.
It is time people quit making excuses for the faithful. The church is not like the estranged
uncle Eddy that no one talks about, its supposed to be a leader spiritually of people and it
has not done its job for some time. Even its moral compass at times appears to be off
course.

L Gilbert

#16

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by tay

A CATHOLIC PRIEST has sparked outrage in Italy by claiming that women bring sexual and physical violence on themselves by dressing provocatively and neglecting housework, Italian media are reporting today.

Fr Piero Corsi said in a Christmas message posted on the door of his church in the small parish of San Terenzo, near Lerici and La Spezia in northwest Italy:

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Priest says women bring sexual and physical violence on themselves

Man-splanation straight outta the 17th century. Fundie jackass.

Quote: Originally Posted by IdRatherBeSkiing

Agreed. I am all for trying that as well.

Walking the streets naked (that's a bit spooky) or assaulting and raping (downright scary)?

DaSleeper

#17

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Dec 28th, 2012

And all the righteous, closeminded, judgemental people are in the church as I can see in this thread

L Gilbert

#18

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Dec 28th, 2012

I am sure that some of the Catholic bureaucracy realizes that this isn't the 17th or 18th century anymore, but massive bureaucracies tend to move very quickly, like drunken slugs, for instance.

JLM

#19

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert

I am sure that some of the Catholic bureaucracy realizes that this isn't the 17th or 18th century anymore, but massive bureaucracies tend to move very quickly, like drunken slugs, for instance.

On a fast day!

L Gilbert

#20

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Dec 28th, 2012

With a tailwind and downhill even.

Sal

#21

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Dec 28th, 2012

It is interesting that this Christmas message is posted on the door. I've never heard of that before. Why didn't he do it from the pulpit? I question his stability, perhaps there is a reason he is posted in a small village. The old ladies comment is interesting and raises further questions still.

gerryh

#22

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Dec 28th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

This goes to the heart of the matter as to why I gave up on this church long ago.
All I can say is welcome to the twelfth century. Here society is trying to get the
Middle East and Asia to understand the world has changed since the Middle Ages
and the Christians espouse the same nonsense as those they have by and large
been critical of in this social belief.
Personal restraint is the by word here, just because you see a woman does not
mean you have the right to assault her, what part of that does this priest not yet
understand?
I can't believe what I hear sometimes, then again there was that other social and
conservative Christian who gave us his wisdom on "legitimate rape" what ever that
means.
When are these people going to realize we are living in the twenty first century?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Should we get into the othe things said by this church over the last several years

Yes, let's.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I don't think many Catholics want to go there.

Well, here's one that is willing.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I used to go to Mass and I realized these people were continuing in the same old
belief system as they have done for centuries, Exit I did. its not just the first small
statement made by a humble priest in a remote Italian Village.
The priests are well educated and university educated and immersed in theology
and supposedly sensitivity. its not like we are talking about an uneducated hermit
from the mountains or something.
No I am talking about religious people who think that everyone should believe what
they believe, everyone should dress to their approval and everyone should see the
world of religion from their point of view.
We live in an age where people can dress how they want, and the law states that
others are going to have to comply with the wishes of the citizens when it comes to
being accountable for their behaviour.
It is time religion got with the program, and joined the twenty first century. Its not
the single comment its the general belief that because they believe they are superior
not true of any of us Personally I have many friends who are religious and I have a
lot of respect for them, but when an idiot like this speaks utter nonsense the tolerance
on the bull**it meter is severely strained..

"I have many friends that are......" typical bigot response. Pretty much everything you have said above is out right bullshyte. That really shouldn't surprise me as you seem to be VERY "uneducated" when it comes to the Catholic Church.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

The Catholic Church has been the organ player for the Americans in Central and
South America and they have held back modern thinking and personal progress
of the human race for centuries. When it comes to now and how the church has
evolved it hasn't moved very far from the Spanish Inquisition actually.

More lies and B.S.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Their stand on everything is to resist any and all change as long as possible.
They have had undue influence on governments and society in general.
Taking a run at them no, I am pointing out that it is time for the church to come to
grips with itself and expand its thinking.
The reason religion is losing its influence is that education has debunked most of
the belief system itself. As you put it, the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the
earth, and God made it all in six days.

wow... your ignorance knows no bounds I see.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Women have been kept down and in some
cases kept out of the main sacraments in terms of participation, mainly they cannot
be priests what nonsense. Then again priest can't marry, hello we are living in
another time.

Again, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

It is time however for religion in general to step out and embrace the twenty first century.
I would consider the church more favorably if for example the Pope was elected by the
people who support the church instead of a group of unchanging old guys who protect
their own self interest. The old boys club in Rome has to go, and the church must reflect
those who put the money in the collection plate.

You're kidding, right? You want the Papacy to become nothing more than a popularity contest?

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

I used to be a proud Catholic but that has become increasingly difficult in the past twenty or
so years.

Pardon? This last statement makes it sound like you are still a Catholic. Yet, on many many occasions you have made it quite clear that you had left the Church. So which is it? Are you a Catholic or not?

karrie

#23

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Dec 28th, 2012

Really. An old man has old views and in a presumed fit of dementia, expressed them. Is this a surprise? Does it reflect on anyone? Even him?

Retired_Can_Soldier

#24

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Dec 29th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by WLDB

As for what he said, I don't care if women are walking the streets naked it does not give license to anyone to assault or rape her.

What is RAPE really?

In truth RAPE is just the word PEAR all jumbled up.

Everyone loves Pears.

Last edited by Retired_Can_Soldier; Dec 29th, 2012 at 12:07 AM..

JLM

#25

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Dec 29th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Yes, let's.

Well, here's one that is willing.

"I have many friends that are......" typical bigot response. Pretty much everything you have said above is out right bullshyte. That really shouldn't surprise me as you seem to be VERY "uneducated" when it comes to the Catholic Church.

More lies and B.S.

wow... your ignorance knows no bounds I see.

Again, your ignorance knows no bounds.

You're kidding, right? You want the Papacy to become nothing more than a popularity contest?

Pardon? This last statement makes it sound like you are still a Catholic. Yet, on many many occasions you have made it quite clear that you had left the Church. So which is it? Are you a Catholic or not?

Good old Gerry......................always dependable! -

karrie

#26

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Dec 29th, 2012

RCs, you've been too far north for too long. Go home to your wife. Don't take pears from strangers.

petros

#27

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Dec 29th, 2012

GASP...all this kerfuffle because one Priest with a tiny Parishes thinks this way? Wow!

damngrumpy

#28

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Dec 29th, 2012

Actually I do think it is time to give the church going folk the power of directing the
course they want the church to go. It has been run by some old guys who have no
idea of what the world is like.
yes priests should marry and be part of the community.
If they receive tax exemptions they should be required to follow the law first

In other words no more special privilege period.
Ingnorance has nothing to do with it, we live in the twenty first century and the days
of the church hiding behind privilege should end.
I fully expected people to be a little upset however the Catholic Church which my family
fully supports. I have relatives who are nuns, and good members of the Knights of Columbus
but its time to shake things up. Right now the church is doing something different with the
ads calling on Catholics to come home. org. That is all well and fine but come home to what?
There are reasons so many have left, and if the issues are not resolved why would people
like me come home? Come home to what?

petros

#29

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Dec 29th, 2012

Quote: Originally Posted by damngrumpy

Actually I do think it is time to give the church going folk the power of directing the
course they want the church to go. It has been run by some old guys who have no
idea of what the world is like.
yes priests should marry and be part of the community.
If they receive tax exemptions they should be required to follow the law first

In other words no more special privilege period.
Ingnorance has nothing to do with it, we live in the twenty first century and the days
of the church hiding behind privilege should end.
I fully expected people to be a little upset however the Catholic Church which my family
fully supports. I have relatives who are nuns, and good members of the Knights of Columbus
but its time to shake things up. Right now the church is doing something different with the
ads calling on Catholics to come home. org. That is all well and fine but come home to what?
There are reasons so many have left, and if the issues are not resolved why would people
like me come home? Come home to what?

You can join one of the Moonbeam branches of the Universal Church (Catholic). Have you been to Mass lately? It's pretty kicked back and not preachy.

DurkaDurka

#30

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Dec 29th, 2012

The last mass |I attended was brought forth by a fairly approachable dude, he drank and smoked but still sang the old song.

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