Golf industry pushes for tax deductions


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Golf industry pushes for tax deductions
Want golf fees allowable business expense in federal budget

Golf groups in P.E.I. and across the country are calling on the federal government to recognize green fees as a business expense, just like other business entertainment.

"We're really just asking for a fair level playing field to compete with everyone else," said Jeff Calderwood, of the National Allied Golf Associations.

As it stands, when business owners entertain their clients, they can write off several other entertainment expenses, such as season tickets, restaurant bills, and party room rentals.

But golf is not currently included on the list of allowable business expenses.

"You have business people intentionally going to NHL games, skiing, anything you can name and avoiding golf because now, in a tighter economy, they have to watch their bottom line and want appropriate allowable deduction for the cost of doing business, such as entertaining clients," said Calderwood.

Golf advocates argue they're being treated unfairly and are looking to this spring's federal budget to change that.

The industry wants to see a 50 per cent tax deduction for green fees and golf cart rentals, which could cost up to $20 million.

An NDP MP from British Columbia is putting forward a private member's bill supporting the golf deduction idea.

The P.E.I. Golf Association agrees with the lobby effort.

"The industry needs some stimulus to capture lost business…help the convention business," said executive director Ron MacNeil.

Normally, golf is a $100-million industry that employs about 500 people on the island, said MacNeil.

But the past few years have been difficult, with business down an estimated 25 per cent, he said.


Could backfire

Still, one tax law expert believes the proposal could backfire on the golf industry — and the entertainment industry as a whole.

"A policy maker, or member of the public might say, 'Why don't we level the playing field by reducing deductibility for all those types of expenses where we know there's a big element of personal enjoyment?'

"And it really feeds a sense of unfairness among taxpayers who don't get to have tax deductible recreation pursuits," said Lisa Philipps, a tax law professor at York University’s Osgoode Hall in Toronto.

Wayne Easter, the Liberal MP for Malpeque, and Gail Shea, the National Revenue Minister and Conservative MP for Egmont, said they don't support the proposal.

The Island's other two Liberal MPs did not reply to requests for comment.

Golf industry pushes for tax deductions - Prince Edward Island - CBC News
 
TenPenny
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I would think that the last thing a golfer wants is a level playing field.

That would be like golfing on a football field.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

I would think that the last thing a golfer wants is a level playing field.

That would be like golfing on a football field.

Personally, I think this is a bad idea, but I also think that restaurants shouldn't be tax deductible either. If you want to court a client, you should pay for it out of your own pocket (or the company's).
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JLM
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I want to claim my Wednesday night bowling as a tax deduction.
 
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Gee.... Can I claim my Internet connection? I give lotsa people "the business" here
 
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I think it's a good Idea, but of course, I'm biased...and this thread give me an opportunity to put in a shameless plug for my niece Lorraine's summer business in Toronto...--
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

I want to claim my Wednesday night bowling as a tax deduction.

You could, if you ran a business, and took your customers out to bowling with you.
 
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You could, if you ran a business, and took your customers out to bowling with you.

Nah, I wouldn't want any customers knowing about my bowling "skills"!
 
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Nah, I wouldn't want any customers knowing about my bowling "skills"!

Its ok. You have to let the customer win anyways.
 
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Golf yes; horseshoes, parcheesi, quoits, darts, wicked city women, and mumble-de-peg NO!

Look, these expenses are a way of passing the expense of your pleasure onto the ordinary taxpayer. Clever if you can do it; moral, not so much...
 
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I'm all in favour of anything that makes other people pay for my golf addiction. It's only fair since they are starting to give crack addicts safe injection sites.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Golf yes; horseshoes, parcheesi, quoits, darts, wicked city women, and mumble-de-peg NO!

Look, these expenses are a way of passing the expense of your pleasure onto the ordinary taxpayer. Clever if you can do it; moral, not so much...

Mumble de peg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's one I haven't heard of for awhile. Where does one go about joining that club? What skills are required?

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I'm all in favour of anything that makes other people pay for my golf addiction. It's only fair since they are starting to give crack addicts safe injection sites.

I was told that "golf addiction" is a classic first sign of a feeble mind!
 
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Mumble de peg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's one I haven't heard of for awhile. Where does one go about joining that club? What skills are required?

When I was a mere tad on the prairie, we used to play, by the hour, a game with jack knives. We called the game "knife" but its proper name is "mumble de peg." The game consists of a series of knife flips from various parts of the body. When flipped, the knife has to stick in the dirt with the handle upright. Each move has a name: spank the baby, over the world, chase the cow, stick the pig, and so on. I am uncertain whether urchins with knives play this game today...

But, a tax write-off would be nice just to cover bandages.
 
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Yeah, I don't see that happening. If I remember correctly, it used to be included as a deductible business expense (at whatever the percentage was at the time) but there was found to be too much abuse, so they nixed it.
 
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Nope. I'm not into gov't subsidizing big biz. Can't they advertise, court clients, etc. on their own? If they can't they should learn how to instead of sucking the public teat.
 
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without tax deductions, nhl arenas would be empty. that is who buys the tickets. and to the olympics, and everything else.
 
L Gilbert
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Funny, I thought fans bought NHL, Oly, etc. tickets.
 
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Big money-makers in the NHL are skyboxes - write-offs paid for by the non-attending taxpayer. Also, many firms have tickets, especially in the reds, they claim as tax deductions.
 
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Life's a bitch, if you can't afford to spring for a skybox, take client to a local kid's hockey game or to McD's.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Nope. I'm not into gov't subsidizing big biz. Can't they advertise, court clients, etc. on their own? If they can't they should learn how to instead of sucking the public teat.

It's not really subsidizing though. Unless of course you feel that payroll is also subsidy, along with cost of sales, operating expenses, insurance, rent, etc, etc. Businesses are taxed on net income. And not just large corporations, this is the small business owner as well.
 
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For that money being saved do I get trails where the corners are banked in the right direction so the drinks don't spill and where the hell is 2nd gear in those carts in case they do spill?

As a member can I hook up a light to my 6-speed shifter 'cart' for some trolling the trails 'after hours' if all the wreckage is cleaned up by daylight?
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

When I was a mere tad on the prairie, we used to play, by the hour, a game with jack knives. We called the game "knife" but its proper name is "mumble de peg." The game consists of a series of knife flips from various parts of the body. When flipped, the knife has to stick in the dirt with the handle upright. Each move has a name: spank the baby, over the world, chase the cow, stick the pig, and so on. I am uncertain whether urchins with knives play this game today...

But, a tax write-off would be nice just to cover bandages.

We used to play a similar game, but we called it 'stretch'

You would stand facing your opponent, starting with your feet together - each one with a jack-knife. The goal was to stick the blade into the dirt (can't move your feet).. Where ever you stuck the knife, your opponent would have to move their foot to that place.. Whoever couldn't stretch far enough would lose.

Mind you, there was also another way to win.. You could throw the knife really close to one of their feet and if they flinched (moved the foot), they'd lose.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

It's not really subsidizing though. Unless of course you feel that payroll is also subsidy, along with cost of sales, operating expenses, insurance, rent, etc, etc. Businesses are taxed on net income. And not just large corporations, this is the small business owner as well.

Yup, it is. Yup, they are. Businesses survived long before tax cuts came along to subsidize them. IMO, if a business can't support itself it has no business being a business.

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We used to play a similar game, but we called it 'stretch'

You would stand facing your opponent, starting with your feet together - each one with a jack-knife. The goal was to stick the blade into the dirt (can't move your feet).. Where ever you stuck the knife, your opponent would have to move their foot to that place.. Whoever couldn't stretch far enough would lose.

Mind you, there was also another way to win.. You could throw the knife really close to one of their feet and if they flinched (moved the foot), they'd lose.

Stretch is what we used to call it, too. But we only used the one knife. We weren't rich enough for two. lol
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

We used to play a similar game, but we called it 'stretch'

You would stand facing your opponent, starting with your feet together - each one with a jack-knife. The goal was to stick the blade into the dirt (can't move your feet).. Where ever you stuck the knife, your opponent would have to move their foot to that place.. Whoever couldn't stretch far enough would lose.

Mind you, there was also another way to win.. You could throw the knife really close to one of their feet and if they flinched (moved the foot), they'd lose.

We called that game "The splits"
 
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take client to a local kid's hockey game

Where you stand outside the boards? That takes 11teen candy bars just for the shivers, I'm a fan, how about a remote-camera and a warm van parked at the curb, might even put out a speaker so the 'players' can get real-time comments in the voice of 'Don Cherry' (after paying all royalty fees that is) Goal judge playbacks and the chocolate bars would then become an option rather than a necessity.

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But we only used the one knife. We weren't rich enough for two. lol

You were handing the knife back and forth in a 'knife fight' and you consider 'lack of money' to be the 'only issue' at play in that scene.

I can see where that one shared knife thing would be an advantage if your 'opponent' was also your 'girlfriend'.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by MHzView Post

Where you stand outside the boards? That takes 11teen candy bars just for the shivers, I'm a fan, how about a remote-camera and a warm van parked at the curb, might even put out a speaker so the 'players' can get real-time comments in the voice of 'Don Cherry' (after paying all royalty fees that is) Goal judge playbacks and the chocolate bars would then become an option rather than a necessity.

Oh.


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You were handing the knife back and forth in a 'knife fight' and you consider 'lack of money' to be the 'only issue' at play in that scene.

Do I? Or is it just that that's the only issue I mentioned?

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I can see where that one shared knife thing would be an advantage if your 'opponent' was also your 'girlfriend'.

Better game for that would be Twister.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Funny, I thought fans bought NHL, Oly, etc. tickets.

You thought wrong.

The money is in corporate ticket sales. Without that, no team would be successful.

Quote: Originally Posted by L GilbertView Post

Yup, it is. Yup, they are. Businesses survived long before tax cuts came along to subsidize them. IMO, if a business can't support itself it has no business being a business.

When was that?
 

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