I've been Canadian for 16 years, but what the hell is our government about?

LoganG

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Perhaps it's because high school education these days is 200 years late, or maybe it's because our political system is simply too stagnant to be worth mentioning, but I find myself comparing my Canadian political knowledge to my international political knowledge, and the maple leaf withers in comparison. I could go on forever about American politics, but I realized I know next to nothing about Harper and our government.

Would someone be so kind as to tell me what our prime minister has done so far? What are his strengths? What are his pitfalls? Have there been any defining moments? How did he handle the recession? What are his party's fundamental principles?

I guess, truly, the same goes for any party and their leaders. Ignatieff? Layton? Martin of yesteryear?

Basically, I want to form an opinion. But I don't need your strong opinions, but I need facts coupled with light opinions. Also, spare me the technical talk - I've already Bern bored to death recanting how a bill becomes a law sixteen million times.

Cheers! Whenever I post a thread I'm sure to follow up in a useful way, so I anticipate this will be interactive! Stay tuned!
 

Chiliagon

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if you haven't figured out how our Government works yet in 16 years, you'll never figure it out.

all you have to know is that our country is divided pretty strong when it comes to the power.

Western Canada from Manitoba West is mostly Conservative and Ontario East for the most part is Liberal based.

Quebec, even with their Separatist party is still Liberal. NDP does have some holdings in B.C. and East Coast/Atlantic but they'll never make any headway enough to get some serious power.
 

LoganG

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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear :) I'm 16 and I know the tenets of our political system, the geographic ideology (as you pointed out), and the philosophical values for each.

I want to know more about Canada in the way I know about America. I can read a newspaper outlining Obama's prospects for the coming elections, and fill in for myself why these are so; if I read a Canadian newspaper - the Globe and Mail for example - and it states that both Harper and Ignatieff have begun national campaigning tours, to me, they're just two guys who talk to people. I don't know which parts of their opposite's party's platform they refute. I don't know how they want to deal with climate change. I don't know what they think of North Korea, what our UN representatives are saying, or Countries they want to invest more in. I want to be able to align myself, and that can't be done by saying "I'm in BC, and Manitoba westward is conservative, so I'll be conservative."
 

gerryh

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you're 16 years old, lived here your entire life and you know more about american politics and their political system than Canada's? Is that right?
 

Chiliagon

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not sure if it's the best idea to be a Conservative.

they tend to have a lot of crazy ideas. the only ones who can't see that are conservative supporters.. they'll run this country right into the ground if they ever get a majority.
 

Dexter Sinister

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I could go on forever about American politics, but I realized I know next to nothing about Harper and our government.
And whose fault is that? It's not a secret, you can easily find out lots of things about Harper and what he thinks about, and what other people think he thinks about, and what they think about it, and what the government's done, and doing, and wants to do. Just read the Globe&Mail, your local paper, watch Canadian news programs on tv, listen to CBC radio and any local radio stations that have news programs, check out their web sites, there are lots of sources. Just don't rely on only one of them. it's not hard, it just takes some time.

And please don't go on forever about American politics, that would be a most tedious experience.
 

LoganG

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And whose fault is that? It's not a secret, you can easily find out lots of things about Harper and what he thinks about, and what other people think he thinks about, and what they think about it, and what the government's done, and doing, and wants to do. Just read the Globe&Mail, your local paper, watch Canadian news programs on tv, listen to CBC radio and any local radio stations that have news programs, check out their web sites, there are lots of sources. Just don't rely on only one of them. it's not hard, it just takes some time.

And please don't go on forever about American politics, that would be a most tedious experience.
Hmm... Perhaps I'll unsubscribe to Time an the Guardian for a while and Canadianize myself... I find American politics fascinating in the radical divide they experience, but I'm more interested in international politics. I won't go on about either - this is a Canadian forum!

But, to make the question simpler: What is one principle you agree and one you disagree with, for the three main political parties?

In response to an earlier question: I have a more solid opinion about American politics than Canadian, but I understand the Canadian system better.
 

damngrumpy

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First of all the business of any government is pretty boring most of the time as legislation
takes its time going through the system as it should. There is nothing worse than a bad
law making it to the final stamp of approval Twice as hard to get rid of a mistake once it
is made. Actually Paul Martin did more when he was the Finance Minister than when he
was Prime Minister. Yes in my opinion he went to far in some areas, but as finance minister
he ended the cycle of deficit spending, we still had a pile of debt but deficits were for a time
under control.
It is not what the Prime Minister actually does in this country it is what people perceive he has
done. that set the tone for leadership and usually has about an eight year run. This country
has survived and under the conditions laid out by geography and political tension is something
of a miracle in and of itself. We are a nation of contradictions, like a thousand balls being
tossed by a juggler. Make no mistake this country may not seem much to you, but even with
the dull lack luster Mackenzie King this country was one of the most respected nations during
WWII, we held our own in Korea, we breathed life into the concept of UN Peace Keeping, we
have carved a nation out of a collection of people who have turned bitching into an art form
and yet even though we fight and squabble with each other nobody else had better speak ill of us.
There is a lot of time and distance in our view of the world, I am almost sixty five but I love this
country and I am proud of many accomplishments in spite of ourselves.
We wonder what have we done? Compare the things that count. We have Medicare that all
citizens can take advantage of, we were among the first to have meaningful pensions for the
veterans after WWI, We put together a pension plan that at least provide a minimum income
for the poorest of the poor. In all we provide a justice system that at least lets you see the inside
of a court room and a chance to be heard. We have some measures of environmental laws
that are not perfect but in some cases they provide the bench mark that others are trying to achieve.
We have built a civil society that provides protection for all groups, ethnically, religiously, racially
and all the other groups in a civilized society. Our institutions, though not perfect, are better than
most. We have the right to disagree, and we can protest, and even poke fun at our politicians.
There are a lot of countries where that would land you in prison or a coffin.
We through our government have lent our expertise to helping in emergencies around the world
that are organized and achieve their goals with precision.
We have provided our citizens and future generations with opportunities that most of the rest of
the world can only envy. We the older generation have in fact done a lot, we have provided our
children and grandchildren with a pretty good lifestyle. We were so busy carving out a good
society and standard of living we really didn't tell the kids and grand kids all the opportunities they
have. All of this is in one form or another due to image the government sets out. Everything is
made up of politics. Federal, Provincial, Municipal and there is politics in churches, organizations
and even families. All of the laws that are made intersect with governmental and human politics.
Governments set the rules by which we live by like it or not. I think all of these parties and those
who serve whether I like the Party or not I have respect for, (some more than others) because
they take the time to serve, while we criticize from the sidelines.
Canada's history is not born of revolution it is born of substance and progress and that is not as
interesting as people in brightly coloured uniforms shooting at each other. Can you imagine we
had a group of men who sat down and talked to each other and carved a nation out of nothing,
so we could complain about it. Oh in case you are wondering, the leaders of our country began
fighting over the document they all signed the day after they signed it, and God Bless them I hope
they never quit. I sometimes wonder if that one debate is the real glue that holds our country
together. We are the way we are because our governments have set the tone for the development
of Canada as a whole. We are the scraps left behind by the great pioneers that built this country
Our government for better or for worse enact the laws and direction that will guide our future
prosperity and opportunity. Our motto is Order and Good Government and really most of the time
that happens.
 

B00Mer

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you're 16 years old, lived here your entire life and you know more about american politics and their political system than Canada's? Is that right?

that's our Canadian youth..

25 years from now we will be the 51st state..

American TV and cultural have gripped our youth, our own country Canada plays second..

I have to admit, I may be the first of that era.. have lived in a border town and grew up knowing more about the USA than Canada, now I live in the USA.

I guess I am an addit for choice, and a reasonable cost of living.
 

LoganG

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Now that I look at it, it does seem bad, but I'm not actually doing an assignment. I felt that if I personalized the question it might get more responses
 

damngrumpy

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Democracy is a soap opera, there are great debates and arguments and tiny steps of
progress. That is how it works, the most important word no matter how frustrating it is
it works. We usually end up with the right decision being made although it doesn't seem
so at the time. The main reason is emotion in involved in the equation and emotion does
not always compute in tandem with reason.
In my view over all we are a more caring society than our neighbours and that has some
good and bad points in itself. The reason may not be that we are more compassionate
or thoughtfully more advanced. I think it has more to do with size. There are 300 million
Americans and that is a lot of points of view when people are trying to reach consensus.
We have 35 million spread over one of the biggest land masses on earth and the feeling
of community is still here if for survival if nothing else. Why do you think Quebec goes to
the brink then intellectual sobriety sets in and they vote to stay?
I would suggest one of the inspiring things you might want to do is find out how many of
the famous people that invented things and propelled humankind were in fact Canadian.
Government provided many with the means and in some cases the financing to make the
difference we and the rest of the world enjoys. Everything from Bombardier, to Superman
originated in this Country. Did I say Superman? Yup. The originator of Superman came
from Saskatchewan.
Government influences our daily lives in ways you rarely think about, banking laws, and
education, medicare, pensions, and all the social, criminal and human rights laws that
protect you and I come from government, when you start looking at the whole thing the
Canadian Government, as I said before has done a great deal for us in spite of themselves.
 

Trotz

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that's our Canadian youth..

25 years from now we will be the 51st state..

American TV and cultural have gripped our youth, our own country Canada plays second..

I have to admit, I may be the first of that era.. have lived in a border town and grew up knowing more about the USA than Canada, now I live in the USA.

I guess I am an addit for choice, and a reasonable cost of living.

Sure, go blame the Youth.

Even though most Seniles (WW2 Generation) and Generation Worst (Boomers) have long since forgotten that they had a different flag growing up
Canadian Red Ensign - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And really, Youth are just the product of the education system as designed by the people in charge (those over 50). Guess who else is in charge of the music and television industry? Hint: They were all smoking pot as hippies back in the 1960s.

In which case, at least the preceding generations of Canada had been taught their history. Generations today are no longer taught Canadian history (maybe a day on the PCR and the North West Rebellion and that's it) in order to avoid "offending immigrants", "Sociologists", et al.


Unfortunately the rot that was Pearson and Trudeau is not going to go away until the Boomers (who grew up under them) are gone and even then I don't forsee a return of Canadian identity separate from geography. There are more people than ever now who identify with their province as opposed to Canada and I don't see that changing.
 

LoganG

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Is it so bad that I know a bit about the American political system? Is that treasonous? Perhaps we should scrap all foreign social studies teaching (which, as students will tell you, is the most interesting) and learn a bit more about the fur trade, because knowing anything about other countries is surely a crime :) that's definitely not how Canada established it's position as the world's mediating peacemaker.. Yes, that was created solely out of self-interest!

I joke, I joke!

Hmm, to make the question even easier, because my previous one was largely ignored.
Let's start first with: What did Harper do leading up to the recession (financial wise)? During?

Also, I thank everyone for participating! It's been interestig!
 

Kreskin

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Is it so bad that I know a bit about the American political system? Is that treasonous? Perhaps we should scrap all foreign social studies teaching (which, as students will tell you, is the most interesting) and learn a bit more about the fur trade, because knowing anything about other countries is surely a crime :) that's definitely not how Canada established it's position as the world's mediating peacemaker.. Yes, that was created solely out of self-interest!

I joke, I joke!

Hmm, to make the question even easier, because my previous one was largely ignored.
Let's start first with: What did Harper do leading up to the recession (financial wise)? During?

Also, I thank everyone for participating! It's been interestig!
It's more like what they didn't do. Didn't deregulate banks. Tweaked CMHC. Printed some money. Didn't panic. Prorogued parliament. Sang a few tunes.