How to fund the military in a more democratic manner?

Machjo

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Seeing that we will never all agree as to how much we ought to spend on the military, the degree and kind of threat we face, and what our military ought to be spent on, among other things, what would be a more democratic way to fund the military?

Among the options I could see:

1. Cut all direct government spending on the military and replace it with an income-tax earmark of let's say 2.5% of income. On the income tax statement, a section would be provided whereby you could choose to fund either the national military force or an international police force.

The national force would be subjected to Canadian laws only, as is the current Canadian military. The national force, being international, would be under UN command, could receive funding from any nation, would be restricted to a maximum of 100,000 well-trained and equipped men at any time, and would be based in any nation willing to host it, with Canada being wiling to host bases on Canadian soil for this force.

It's reasonable to assume that such a force would be only strong enough to defend Canada's populated areas, and would also make it more difficult for the government to engage in military operations abroad through a simple majority, seeing that such an operation would require the full concentration of Canada's defense budget, which could only be accessed either by having both the Canadian government and UN send both the national and international forces in a coordinated attack, or by having all taxpayers choose to give their 2.5% to the national rather than the international force. this would ensure that Canada could not fight a war abroad without broad support from the majority of Canadians or, alternatively, a simple majority of Canadians plus the support of the international community.

2. If any additional defense funding is required for more isolated locations, it would be the responsibility of the private sector to fund it. For example, if the concern is over mineral resources in scarcely populated areas of the Arctic, then any private company desiring to exploit the resources of the North could be required to meet a minimum standard of security as defined by legislation. This could be whatever the government dictates to the company, be it a minimum number of ships, submarines, aircraft, etc. as prescribed by the government. This would ensure that only those who actually benefit from the North or other isolated areas pay for the extra protection, with the standard military forces being responsible for the more traditional role of defending the people. This way, such companies would have to add such defense costs to company overhead and pass them on to consumers. If consumers are willing to pay the extra cost, then clearly the North is worth defending beyond its populated areas only. If not, then clearly not.

Why must we turn the military into some kind of socialist welfare-statist make-work department of the government's?

Any thoughts on your part as to where funding for the military ought to come from so as to ensure that military spending is fair for all Canadians and not just another excuse at a tax grab?
 

Machjo

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Donations.

Health care and education, too.

I kind of like that idea, but I doubt many voters would go for that. Actually, I doubt many would go for the suggestion in the OP too (it grants too much freedom of choice for most voters to accept already), but yours goes even farther. Don't get me wrong; I actually like your idea better than mine. That said, I also think mine would already be a hard sell; yours even harder. :D
 
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JLM

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Seeing that we will never all agree as to how much we ought to spend on the military, the degree and kind of threat we face, and what our military ought to be spent on, among other things, what would be a more democratic way to fund the military?

Among the options I could see:

1. Cut all direct government spending on the military and replace it with an income-tax earmark of let's say 2.5% of income. On the income tax statement, a section would be provided whereby you could choose to fund either the national military force or an international police force.

I think there is something else that has to be done first and that is to change the way people think about the military. Many people equate the military with killing and yet I'd be willing to bet after a 20 year career in the military probably only 5% or less have actually killed anybody. Military can be used just as much for domestic roles against domestic disaster as a combative role on foreign lands. The military has also helped a lot of wayward young people who don't "have their feet planted firmly on the ground". I would guess that most military personel in Canada spend more time placing sand bags or dragging fire hoses than they actually do shooting people.
 

Machjo

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I think there is something else that has to be done first and that is to change the way people think about the military. Many people equate the military with killing and yet I'd be willing to bet after a 20 year career in the military probably only 5% or less have actually killed anybody. Military can be used just as much for domestic roles against domestic disaster as a combative role on foreign lands. The military has also helped a lot of wayward young people who don't "have their feet planted firmly on the ground". I would guess that most military personel in Canada spend more time placing sand bags or dragging fire hoses than they actually do shooting people.

Then why not redefine the roles of the military?Certainly many domestic non-military-related issues could be done by the police just as easily, which would save money on military training for many who will likely never use the skill. This way, the core force remaining would in fact be designed quite specifically as a war-fighting force.
 

JLM

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Then why not redefine the roles of the military?Certainly many domestic non-military-related issues could be done by the police just as easily, which would save money on military training for many who will likely never use the skill. This way, the core force remaining would in fact be designed quite specifically as a war-fighting force.

I don't think there is any reason to redefine the roles of the military- they already perform all the roles mentioned. Police are better off kept (as much as possible) in roles where there are legal ramifications and the military in roles where there are physical ramifications. Of course there is going to be overlap, as there should be just by the fact that people should act in the best way according to the circumstances they are in at the time of the need.
 

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With the people in this day and age, if your the government just go ahead and buy it... The people nowadays all surf the internet and alot of people fall victim to propoganda that makes them think the military is evil.
 

Machjo

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With the people in this day and age, if your the government just go ahead and buy it... The people nowadays all surf the internet and alot of people fall victim to propoganda that makes them think the military is evil.

It's not that the military is evil, but rather that the government can politicize it way too easily. By giving people a choice between two military forces, we'd essentially be forcing the government to ensure the vast majority of the population is behind the war, or alternatively that the international community is behind it. Without at least one of these two groups supporting the government, there would be no way to go to war, which would mean the government would actually need to convince most people of just how dire the situation is.

Another point to make from a psychological standpoint is that because people could actually choose which of the two to give their money to, they'd feel more involved in the decision-making process.

Of course a situation could arise where let's say both the government and the international community decide to go to war against country X, and so a taxpayer who opposes the war would then find himself stuck between a rock and a hard place when he realizes that whichever force he gives his money to, it will go to war. But at least it ensures that in less certain situations as long as one of the forces is not committed to war that he'd have an option there. While this would not eliminate war, it would ensure government not go to war on a simple 50% + 1 support in Parliament. It could then go to war only when there is overwhelming approval for the war such as in a WWII-type of situation.
 

JLM

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It's not that the military is evil, but rather that the government can politicize it way too easily. By giving people a choice between two military forces, we'd essentially be forcing the government to ensure the vast majority of the population is behind the war, or alternatively that the international community is behind it. Without at least one of these two groups supporting the government, there would be no way to go to war, which would mean the government would actually need to convince most people of just how dire the situation is.

Another point to make from a psychological standpoint is that because people could actually choose which of the two to give their money to, they'd feel more involved in the decision-making process.

Of course a situation could arise where let's say both the government and the international community decide to go to war against country X, and so a taxpayer who opposes the war would then find himself stuck between a rock and a hard place when he realizes that whichever force he gives his money to, it will go to war. But at least it ensures that in less certain situations as long as one of the forces is not committed to war that he'd have an option there. While this would not eliminate war, it would ensure government not go to war on a simple 50% + 1 support in Parliament. It could then go to war only when there is overwhelming approval for the war such as in a WWII-type of situation.

That happens in all facets of life and government, so don't want their laxes leaving the country to help foreigners in need, some don't want it going to fund prisons when they think miscreants should be hanged, some don't like it going toward chlorination of water and on and on. We have a system where we vote if we feel like it and that more or less gives the victors the right to rule as they see fit in accordance with the message they gave the electorate.............if you didn't vote or you voted for a loser...............tough titty. :smile::smile::smile: