#1Apr 22nd, 2010
Why do you guys want a huge Government to control your life and finances?
Help me understand.
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Why do liberals want a big Government?
Why do you guys want a huge Government to control your life and finances?
Help me understand.
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#2
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
Maybe they are the same people who want big religion? They may need someone to tell them how to live their lives.Im sitting here trying to imagine why "anyone" would want a big Government that tells them what to do.
Why do you guys want a huge Government to control your life and finances?
Help me understand.
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#3
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
Opposed to small government where everything is bliss and capitalism ensures everyone gets an even share?
The extreme ends of both capitalism & socialism are flawed, mixing elements of both work far better in my opinion.
The extreme ends of both capitalism & socialism are flawed, mixing elements of both work far better in my opinion.
#4
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh
i think liberals would like a big government so that the wealth is redistrubuted to the populations that need it. Right now wealth is concentrated to the rich and thats not fair.Maybe they are the same people who want big religion? They may need someone to tell them how to live their lives.
The rich used fast and savvy gimmicks to get where they are, yes they worked hard, but they worked hard immorally to get where they are.
They might want a big government that will give reparations to the poor and all those who have been oppressed as they do now with social security, food stamps, and welfare.
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#5
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
The bigger the crowd, the easier it is to get lost in it.
#6
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
I just want the government to leave me alone and keep its hand off my wallet.
Why is that too much to ask?
Why is that too much to ask?
#7
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
Opposed to small government where everything is bliss and capitalism ensures everyone gets an even share?
The extreme ends of both capitalism & socialism are flawed, mixing elements of both work far better in my opinion.
Hey! That's what we do right here in Canada.
#8
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
Its natural for MP's or MLA's to want bigger government. They have a vested interest, more government means more power and money for them. Who's going to run for office that wants to reduce the power and money of that profession?
Its not just Liberals fyi, government is getting plenty big under Conservatives or Republicans in the USA.
Its not just Liberals fyi, government is getting plenty big under Conservatives or Republicans in the USA.
#9
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka
Exactamundo.Opposed to small government where everything is bliss and capitalism ensures everyone gets an even share?
The extreme ends of both capitalism & socialism are flawed, mixing elements of both work far better in my opinion.
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#10
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
Specifically talking about the US, I'm surprised that anyone would suggest that we have a big government or will have any time soon.
The US is like crazy government-free. Example: Having so few regulations on health insurance companies is like having no food inspections.
The US is like crazy government-free. Example: Having so few regulations on health insurance companies is like having no food inspections.
#11
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
Sorry, but the big flaw there is that this occurs in socialistic countries, too, and in countries with liberal governments.i think liberals would like a big government so that the wealth is redistrubuted to the populations that need it. Right now wealth is concentrated to the rich and thats not fair.
To paraphrase JK Galbraith: under capitalism, man exploits man. Under socialism, it's the opposite.
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Some did, some didn't.The rich used fast and savvy gimmicks to get where they are, yes they worked hard, but they worked hard immorally to get where they are.
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Maybe. Personally, I think liberals think or feel that they have the best viewpoint on what's best for everyone and want to control a large gov't so they can implement their opinions about what everyone else needs and therefore nanny everyone.They might want a big government that will give reparations to the poor and all those who have been oppressed as they do now with social security, food stamps, and welfare.
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#12
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by pfezziwig
Yup. That's pretty much what I just said.Its natural for MP's or MLA's to want bigger government. They have a vested interest, more government means more power and money for them. Who's going to run for office that wants to reduce the power and money of that profession?
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Really? If I remember correctly, one of the first things Harpy did was cut the size of gov't down after ChRETIeN and aPAULing grew it.Its not just Liberals fyi, government is getting plenty big under Conservatives or Republicans in the USA.
I don't know about the States, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Big O boosted the size.
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#13
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
No one in their right mind wants a big Gov't. Gov't.s should be as small as possible- two would be the perfect number, just to ensure we don't have a dictatorship. Im sitting here trying to imagine why "anyone" would want a big Government that tells them what to do.
Why do you guys want a huge Government to control your life and finances?
Help me understand.
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#14
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Like Fidel and Raul. LOL.No one in their right mind wants a big Gov't. Gov't.s should be as small as possible- two would be the perfect number, just to ensure we don't have a dictatorship.
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#15
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh
That's the spirit.........Like Fidel and Raul. LOL.
#16
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
Just what has 'Small Government' delivered us. Since the radical demonization of government is centred in the United States, let's look at their track record.
1. Free Trade - the deindustrialization of America, shipping off high paying manufacturing jobs to desperate Maquilladora sweat shops.. replaced by minimum wage menial and service jobs.. leading to a vast polarization of wealth and huge swaths of the public now reduced to poverty. The loss of tariff revenues, once the major source in government revenues, replaced with regressive sales taxes. It has destroyed consumer demand, and shattered a national integrated industrial ecomomic system.
2. Monetarism - the selling out the governmental responsibility to control, stabilize and store value in its currency, now controlled by an amoral and greed infested international currency casino..
3. Deregulation - Wall Street derivatives fiasco, Bernie Madoff.. say no more.
4. Privatization - removal of foundational components of the national economy, in utilities, transportation, energy, communications, natural resources.. those that are natural monopolies and compose a public franchise.. from public ownership.. leading to huge disequilibriums, inequities and underrealization of the nation's productive potential.
There is a case to be made for too much government intrusion in imposing an insipid agenda of political correctness, of post structural ethics championing radical individualism, enfranchisement of 'victims' groups, relativistic morality, morbid gratification.
But the overarching problem today is not too much government.. it's too little government... or atleast too little in the right places.
1. Free Trade - the deindustrialization of America, shipping off high paying manufacturing jobs to desperate Maquilladora sweat shops.. replaced by minimum wage menial and service jobs.. leading to a vast polarization of wealth and huge swaths of the public now reduced to poverty. The loss of tariff revenues, once the major source in government revenues, replaced with regressive sales taxes. It has destroyed consumer demand, and shattered a national integrated industrial ecomomic system.
2. Monetarism - the selling out the governmental responsibility to control, stabilize and store value in its currency, now controlled by an amoral and greed infested international currency casino..
3. Deregulation - Wall Street derivatives fiasco, Bernie Madoff.. say no more.
4. Privatization - removal of foundational components of the national economy, in utilities, transportation, energy, communications, natural resources.. those that are natural monopolies and compose a public franchise.. from public ownership.. leading to huge disequilibriums, inequities and underrealization of the nation's productive potential.
There is a case to be made for too much government intrusion in imposing an insipid agenda of political correctness, of post structural ethics championing radical individualism, enfranchisement of 'victims' groups, relativistic morality, morbid gratification.
But the overarching problem today is not too much government.. it's too little government... or atleast too little in the right places.
Last edited by coldstream; Apr 22nd, 2010 at 01:48 PM..
#17
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream
I think that has more to do with politicians being such a pile of goofoffs, crooks, and otherwise unsavory characters. Just what has 'Small Government' delivered us. Since the radical demonization of government is centred in the United States,
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That all sounds to me like misapplication of gov't and nothing to do with size.let's look at their track record.
1. Free Trade - the deindustrialization of America, shipping off high paying manufacturing jobs to desperate Maquilladora sweat shops.. replaced by minimum wage menial and service jobs.. leading to a vast polarization of wealth and huge swaths of the public now reduced to poverty.
2. Monetarism - the selling out the governmental responsibility to control, stabilize and store value in its currency, now controlled by an amoral and greed infested international currency casino..
3. Deregulation - Wall Street derivatives fiasco, Bernie Madoff.. say no more.
4. Privatization - removal of foundational components of the national economy, in utilities, transportation, energy, communications, natural resources.. those that are natural monopolies and compose a public franchise.. from public ownership.. leading to huge disequilibriums, inequities and underrealization of the nation's productive potential.
There is a case to be made for too much government intrusion in imposing an insipid agenda of political correctness, of post structural ethics championing radical individualism, enfranchisement of 'victims' groups, relativistic morality, morbid gratification.
But the overarching problem today is not too much government.. it's too little government... or atleast too little in the right places.
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#18
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
So you don't want to be taxed, you don't want socialized services, you don't want the government telling you how to live your life and you just want them to leave you alone?I just want the government to leave me alone and keep its hand off my wallet.
Why is that too much to ask?
Then why even bother with a country or government in the first place?
If this is in reference towards the Health Care debate, I see Health Care as being no different then having Socialized Law Enforcement, Fire Departments, Education, Military, etc..... they're all forms of socialism, and you're taxed for those services as well, yet many would view those things as being necessary..... so why wouldn't protection/coverage for your own health and medical needs be one of those things?
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Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by coldstream
Wal-Mart is the corporate manifestation of this. They latched on to this and built an empire out of screwing their own countrymen out of jobs. Home Depot and the others just followed suit.Just what has 'Small Government' delivered us. Since the radical demonization of government is centred in the United States, let's look at their track record.
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1. Free Trade - the deindustrialization of America, shipping off high paying manufacturing jobs to desperate Maquilladora sweat shops.. replaced by minimum wage menial and service jobs.. leading to a vast polarization of wealth and huge swaths of the public now reduced to poverty. The loss of tariff revenues, once the major source in government revenues, replaced with regressive sales taxes. It has destroyed consumer demand, and shattered a national integrated industrial ecomomic system.
2. Monetarism - the selling out the governmental responsibility to control, stabilize and store value in its currency, now controlled by an amoral and greed infested international currency casino..
3. Deregulation - Wall Street derivatives fiasco, Bernie Madoff.. say no more.
4. Privatization - removal of foundational components of the national economy, in utilities, transportation, energy, communications, natural resources.. those that are natural monopolies and compose a public franchise.. from public ownership.. leading to huge disequilibriums, inequities and underrealization of the nation's productive potential.
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#20
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Icarus27k
Exactly... You get what you pay for, and if you don't want to pay taxes or have a government regulate the things you take for granted everyday, then don't complain when all sorts of problems occur and companies start crapping out on their services/products for bigger bucks at your own expense, which is usually either health related or money related.Specifically talking about the US, I'm surprised that anyone would suggest that we have a big government or will have any time soon.
The US is like crazy government-free. Example: Having so few regulations on health insurance companies is like having no food inspections.
From what I see over the border, Many in the US have been taken for granted and pretty much scammed by not just the previous government, but the businesses that government should have been watching over in the first place..... people rage and complain.... DEMAND that something be done about it all so it never happens again..... then the government comes forth with the most logical course of action to take.... and then people rage and complain that it's not what they want to fix things, they don't want to pay for more taxes and basically revert back to their previous mentality that allowed them to get screwed over in the first place.
Whole lot of mouth, not much on action.... unless it's action to keep things as they currently are so that people can continue to complain about the same damn problems and demand things to be changed.... so long as they don't actually change.
If you want proper protection, if you want proper health coverage for the greater majority of your citizens, if you want to make sure banks don't screw people over in loans, then sacrifices in some areas need to be made..... like paying a bit more in taxes... heaven forbid.
We're taxed a hell of a lot more and we're doing just fine, I don't see the big deal.
You got two choices... pay more taxes to ensure you're covered for something important down the road and protected by law..... or put even more money into some private company that only has to answer to itself and makes up the rules as they see fit?
I know which one I'd choose.
#21
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
Didn't Obama promise a tax cut for 95% of Americans and then promise health care, paying for people's mortgages, and many other entitlement and paying for them by raising the taxes on those that make over $250,000 per year. Yes he did annd you know it so stop attacking me with your lies. Demanding free stuff when you are not handicapt and could earn it yourself is stealing. Jjust because you do it through the government does not mean that it is not.I think that has more to do with politicians being such a pile of goofoffs, crooks, and otherwise unsavory characters. That all sounds to me like misapplication of gov't and nothing to do with size.
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#22
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
You'd have to provide a link for that....Didn't Obama promise a tax cut for 95% of Americans and then promise health care, paying for people's mortgages, and many other entitlement and paying for them by raising the taxes on those that make over $250,000 per year. Yes he did annd you know it so stop attacking me with your lies. Demanding free stuff when you are not handicapt and could earn it yourself is stealing. Jjust because you do it through the government does not mean that it is not.
#23
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
WTF are you babbling about? What lies have I told? Where did I mention anything about Obama, cutting taxes, health care, the handicapped, etc.? You better start taking your meds again. You're getting unruly.Didn't Obama promise a tax cut for 95% of Americans and then promise health care, paying for people's mortgages, and many other entitlement and paying for them by raising the taxes on those that make over $250,000 per year. Yes he did annd you know it so stop attacking me with your lies. Demanding free stuff when you are not handicapt and could earn it yourself is stealing. Jjust because you do it through the government does not mean that it is not.
#24
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
Actually, I believe it was trudeau who increased the size of the government.Yup. That's pretty much what I just said.
Really? If I remember correctly, one of the first things Harpy did was cut the size of gov't down after ChRETIeN and aPAULing grew it.
I don't know about the States, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Big O boosted the size.
#25
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
I wouldn't doubt it. I just know Harpy intended on trimming a lot of fat off it. lol (Or at least said so).Actually, I believe it was trudeau who increased the size of the government.
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#26
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
Why do liberals want a big Government? That is an easy question to answer: Because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.
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Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides
That's ok, they can hire people to take care of them:Why do liberals want a big Government? That is an easy question to answer: Because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.
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#28
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by sombraa110
You're argument is a little one-sided, don't you think? The military, police, border guards, prison expansion, military involvement abroad, wire-tapping, ain't that all an expansion of government too?Im sitting here trying to imagine why "anyone" would want a big Government that tells them what to do.
Why do you guys want a huge Government to control your life and finances?
Help me understand.
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#29
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010Quote: Originally Posted by ironsides
Well, what about conservatives relying on the government to defend their country? Can they not arm themelves?Why do liberals want a big Government? That is an easy question to answer: Because they are incapable of taking care of themselves.
#30
Re: Why do liberals want a big Government?
Apr 22nd, 2010
In the end, 'big government' is not a monopoly of either the left or the right. You have left-leaning anarchists and right-leaning libertarians both of which are for small government, then you have left-leaning labour-socialists and right-leaning militarists who are both for big government. This is not a right nor left issue. Bush bloated the government like no president before him did. While in Canada big government has usually been associated with the left, in the US it's just the opposite. It's under Bush and Reagan that government spending really jumped, in spite of tax cuts.
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