Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Colpy

Conservative

#1Apr 19th, 2010

SOB!!!!

Ohhhh....now I'm pissed.

The ****head leader of the ****head Liberals is going to whip a Private Members' Bill to abolish the long gun registry. His MP will be required to vote AGAINST the bill to abolish, or face party discipline. PMBs are usually not whipped, but are one of the few occasions when all MPS actually get to vote their conscience.

Not this time.

Iggy has, however, decided that the thing to do is lessen penalties for not registering, and eliminate all fees.

Right. Threats of 2 to 5 years in prison failed to get people to register all their guns, but a fine will.

And fees are already eliminated, except for the initial license.

Did Iggy leave his brains in Massachusetts??????

Ignatieff cracks whip on gun registry - The Globe and Mail

Last edited by Colpy; Apr 19th, 2010 at 05:37 PM..

AnnaG

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

Wait a minit! Lessening penalties for not registering, and eliminating all fees is not abolishing the registry. Bad wording there.
But anyway, it's a boneheaded idea. Either abolish the registry altogether and go back to what we had and enforce it, or at least come up with an explanation as to how the thing would be financed without the fees and stuff.
Whatta dingbat.

Colpy

Conservative

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

Wait a minit! Lessening penalties for not registering, and eliminating all fees is not abolishing the registry. Bad wording there.
But anyway, it's a boneheaded idea. Either abolish the registry altogether and go back to what we had and enforce it, or at least come up with an explanation as to how the thing would be financed without the fees and stuff.
Whatta dingbat.

Sorry Anna, I edited to make thinks clear....Liberal MPs will be forced to vote against the Private Member's Bill to abolish the registry.....

lone wolf

Free Thinker

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Sorry Anna, I edited to make thinks clear....Liberal MPs will be forced to vote against the Private Member's Bill to abolish the registry.....

I pretty much expected that. It's one of their sacred cows.

AnnaG

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

Sorry Anna, I edited to make thinks clear....Liberal MPs will be forced to vote against the Private Member's Bill to abolish the registry.....

Yeah. I reread the article. lol Gawd, some Gliberals can be stoopid sometimes. lmao

justfred

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

Have we established that Iggy had a brain to leave in Massachusetts?

Johnnny

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

The liberal party is dead to me as long as ignatief is leading them

damngrumpy

No Party Affiliation

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 19th, 2010

I make no secret of it, I have been a New Democrat for a long time. I am a person
who is progressive of social issues and conservative on financial issues. If you are
going to institute a program you had better know the cost to develop it and how
much it will cost to maintain it over time.
The gun registry period was set up wrong. The long gun portion should be thrown
out and the hand gun portion could have been done a lot cheaper.
The official gun clubs could have been contracted to register all hand guns and
administer the courses for a fraction of the cost the government inflicted on us.
If I thought people were going to be safe or the streets would be safe by having
a registry I would support it. The facts say otherwise. Even domestic violence does
not end because there is a gun registry. Iggy first of all is not a Liberal, he is an
academic. Theocracy does not come with a particular political stripe it just means
those who are so inclined are superior to you and its your fault for not understanding that fact.
Let us look at the other leaders. Harper, now there is the symbol of all things leadership right? Sure. Jack, a nice guy, bit of a mental midget but a nice guy.
Ducepe he is in a federal system attempting to end a federal system
and the woman who leads the Green Party, now there is a real prize I tell you.
If we view the leaders with such little regard, what can be said about those of us
who elected them? This is why we have a long gun registry, and a host of other
things we can't explain. Ain't Canada wonderful?

Liberalman

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Hooray for the Liberals.

The long gun registry must be saved.

It works.

It's being used one thousand times a day.

A lot of money has been spent to set this up and to the true form of the Conservative party they want to throw it out because they just love to waste money hence fifty billion dollar deficit from a surplus when they took over the government.

I just want to know how many brown envelopes were floating around the Conservative party to get this deficit so high but we'll have to wait till they are out of office to get the truth.

The majority of police associations and police chiefs are endorsing the long gun registry

Quote:

Although Hoeppner said police support her bill, law enforcement groups such as the Canadian Association of Police Boards and the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police have insisted the registry has saved lives.
"It is about public safety. It is about giving police the information to deal with the danger posed by a firearm in the wrong hands," association president William Blair said last fall.
--

On CBC's Power and Politics Mark Holland MP for Ajax-Pickering said that fifty per cent or 50% of all shootings that involve human injuries and fatalities are committed by the long gun.

One can say that the long gun registry prevents future crime because the police can solve the crime quicker with a long gun registry as one of their tools.

Michael Ignatieff also said that this is a government bill but the Conservatives decided to bring this in as a private members bill because the PMO finds that back benchers are more willing to fall on their swords for the for the advancement of the cause

Colpy

Conservative

#10

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Ahhh....just for the education of the Liberals among us.....long guns don't "commit" shootings....

DaSleeper

#11

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

There are Liberals among us??????I thought all liberals had turned Socialists with Trou d'eau

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

#12

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Hooray for the Liberals.

The long gun registry must be saved.

It works.

It's being used one thousand times a day.

A lot of money has been spent to set this up and to the true form of the Conservative party they want to throw it out because they just love to waste money hence fifty billion dollar deficit from a surplus when they took over the government.

lol @ must be saved.

How exactly does it work? It's about the most expensive database ever created to track farmers rifles.

"It's used a thousand times a day" How many crimes does it solve on a daily basis?

So we should continue to waste money on it? Nice logic.

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#13

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Mark Holland MP for Ajax-Pickering wouldn't know a long gun if it jumped up and pistol whipped him. I suggest 50% of these dorks insert a barrel up the anus and have a close friend pull the trigger (see, it's even safe that way) so there might be some truth in Liberal stats for a change.

Liberalman

#14

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote:

So we should continue to waste money on it?

The system is set up.

You tell me how much do you think the government is spending to maintain it?

Not very much.

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

#15

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

The system is set up.

You tell me how much do you think the government is spending to maintain it?

Not very much.

That's only one part of it. How effective is it in deterring or solving crimes?

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#16

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

The system is set up.

You tell me how much do you think the government is spending to maintain it?

Not very much.

If it's so well set up, why isn't the damned thing working? I haven't seen or heard much about assault lines of deer hunters on the Jane-Finch corridor.

Last edited by lone wolf; Apr 20th, 2010 at 10:49 AM..Reason: fix typo

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

#17

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

"From to 1995 to April 2005, net program costs for the Canadian Firearms Program have been
946.4 million dollars. Average costs over this period have been 94.6 million per year."

--

Icarus27k

Democrat

#18

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

I learn so much about Canadian domestic issues here. Fun.

Liberalman

#19

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf

If it's so well set up, why isn't the damned thing working? I haven's seen or heard much about assault lines of deer hunters on the Jane-Finch corridor.

Because the the people in the Jane-Finch corridor don't use long guns but for the ones that do they are arrested more quicker because of the important tool that the police have with the long gun database.

FiveParadox

Liberal

#20

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

It should at this point in the debate be noted that Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has concluded that abolishing the long-gun portion of the registry would only save three million dollars per year. The “average” given above by DurkaDurka simply divides the program’s lifetime cost by the number of years it has run, but in fact, the program was much more expensive to set up than it is to maintain. The true waste of resources here would be abolishing the program now that it is being run efficiently and cost-effectively.

Hopefully, with this long-awaited glimpse of leadership from Mr. Michael Ignatieff M.P., the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, we may see the defeat of this unnecessary private member’s bill. (And as added security, of course, it would be extremely unlikely for a private member’s bill to be declared a motion of confidence, since Her Majesty’s Government for Canada has tried to pretend it is not sponsoring this bill.)

Colpy

Conservative

#21

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Because the the people in the Jane-Finch corridor don't use long guns but for the ones that do they are arrested more quicker because of the important tool that the police have with the long gun database.

Nope.

Quote:

Myth #4: Police investigations are aided by the registry.
Information contained in the registry is incomplete and unreliable. Due to the inaccuracy of the information, it cannot be used as evidence in court and the government has yet to prove that it has been a contributing factor in any investigation. Another factor is the dismal compliance rate (estimated at only 50%) for licensing and registration which further renders the registry useless. Some senior police officers have stated as such: “The law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered . . . the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives.” Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino, January 2003.

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#22

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by Liberalman

Because the the people in the Jane-Finch corridor don't use long guns but for the ones that do they are arrested more quicker because of the important tool that the police have with the long gun database.

Note the keywords: DON'T USE LONG GUNS. At whom is the Gun Registry aimed? They who use long guns. I'll bet none of those gang-bangers have provided any important tools - ever.

Gun Registry is just another way of saying: "Gimme the loot!"

They want to know who might have the ability to blast them into oblivion.

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

#23

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Hopefully, with this long-awaited glimpse of leadership from Mr. Michael Ignatieff M.P., the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, we may see the defeat of this unnecessary private member’s bill. (And as added security, of course, it would be extremely unlikely for a private member’s bill to be declared a motion of confidence, since Her Majesty’s Government for Canada has tried to pretend it is not sponsoring this bill.)

So this is how Ignatieff is going to define his leadership? By forcing his MP's to vote against a bill that has backing across the various parties... brilliant.

Igantief is a failure, this will only further cement his incompetence as a party leader.

FiveParadox

Liberal

#24

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

...ten myths as stated by Mr. Leon Benoit M.P. (Vegreville—Wainwright), and the link pulls directly from that member of Parliament’s personal Web site. I see a heck of a lot of spin in his “report” there.

Colpy

Conservative

#25

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

It should at this point in the debate be noted that Ms. Sheila Fraser, the Auditor General of Canada, has concluded that abolishing the long-gun portion of the registry would only save three million dollars per year. The “average” given above by DurkaDurka simply divides the program’s lifetime cost by the number of years it has run, but in fact, the program was much more expensive to set up than it is to maintain. The true waste of resources here would be abolishing the program now that it is being run efficiently and cost-effectively.
Hopefully, with this long-awaited glimpse of leadership from Mr. Michael Ignatieff M.P., the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition, we may see the defeat of this unnecessary private member’s bill. (And as added security, of course, it would be extremely unlikely for a private member’s bill to be declared a motion of confidence, since Her Majesty’s Government for Canada has tried to pretend it is not sponsoring this bill.)
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:

True enough......costs are much less than they were at set-up.

But the system is USELESS. Not admissible in court, regularly ignored by gun owners, it's only success has been in breeding a deep discontent and a attitude of scorn for the law in a large group of Canadians.

Ignatieff's ideas on fixing the problem are completely ludicrous.........Right, we have NOT been cowed by threats of long prison terms, now this idiot thinks we will be brought into the fold by threats with "the soft pillow"??????

Registration means eventual confiscation......the history of gun registration in the world in general, and in Canada in particular makes this so very obvious.......this can only be denied by those incapable of linear thought, or with a political agenda that does NOT include the ownership of arms by the people.

The Liberals already have on their policy platform a ban on all handguns and all semi-automatic firearms...........

Ignatief playing "nice" with gun owners is the wolf in sheep's clothing, believe me.

FiveParadox

Liberal

#26

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

So this is how Ignatieff is going to define his leadership? By forcing his MP's to vote against a bill that has backing across the various parties...

Apparently it doesn’t have “backing across the various parties” if the bill is opposed by the Liberal Party of Canada, and a majority of members of the Bloc Québécois and the New Democratic Party of Canada. And yes, it is a glimpse of leadership for the Leader of the Opposition to at long last insist on a degree of party discipline on this issue; Mr. Ignatieff is not seeking to simply defeat the bill and leave it at that, but rather, the Leader of the Opposition is proposing changes to the registry system to respond to some of the concerns that exist regarding the program’s administration.

Colpy

Conservative

#27

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

...ten myths as stated by Mr. Leon Benoit M.P. (Vegreville—Wainwright), and the link pulls directly from that member of Parliament’s personal Web site. I see a heck of a lot of spin in his “report” there.

And any other citations made that support the position of gun owners can be challenged on the grounds they support gun owners...

Any citations made that support the position of anti-gun people can be challenged on the grounds they support the anti-gun position...

Try reading the argument, and pointing out errors in fact or difference of opinion in philosophy.....

The bloody registry is not admissible in court.

The police use of the registry is fantastically over-blown by automatic hits, and hits made for regular administrative purposes.

Find me a crime solved by the registry.

Challenge THOSE, not the source

DurkaDurka

No Party Affiliation

#28

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Apparently it doesn’t have “backing across the various parties” if the bill is opposed by the Liberal Party of Canada, and a majority of members of the Bloc Québécois and the New Democratic Party of Canada. And yes, it is a glimpse of leadership for the Leader of the Opposition to at long last insist on a degree of party discipline on this issue; Mr. Ignatieff is not seeking to simply defeat the bill and leave it at that, but rather, the Leader of the Opposition is proposing changes to the registry system to respond to some of the concerns that exist regarding the program’s administration.

The Bill is opposed by Ignatieff, not the Liberal Party of Canada. Unfortunately, Ignatieff is pulling some dicatorish maneuvers on a private members bill and forcing liberal MP's to vote along side his hair brained idea.

Colpy

Conservative

#29

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox

Apparently it doesn’t have “backing across the various parties” if the bill is opposed by the Liberal Party of Canada, and a majority of members of the Bloc Québécois and the New Democratic Party of Canada. And yes, it is a glimpse of leadership for the Leader of the Opposition to at long last insist on a degree of party discipline on this issue; Mr. Ignatieff is not seeking to simply defeat the bill and leave it at that, but rather, the Leader of the Opposition is proposing changes to the registry system to respond to some of the concerns that exist regarding the program’s administration.

uh-huh.....wink, wink, nudge, nudge....and the second they have power they'll be drawing up a LARGE list of firearms to ban, seize, and destroy.....without compensation.

It is part of their policy platform.

How STUPID would we have to be to believe the Liberals have gone all soft on gun-owners???

FiveParadox

Liberal

#30

Re: Iggy to Whip Gun Registration Bill

Apr 20th, 2010

DurkaDurka, you make it sound as though every Liberal member of the Commons save for Ignatieff wants to vote to abolish the registry — whereas, in actuality, it is a minority of Liberal members who had wanted to vote with the Government. In any event, as I mentioned, it is not simply a move to defeat the bill; it is a move to introduce changes to the registry that would make improvements to respond to some of the concerns that have been expressed by rural Canadians.

And Colpy: Almost as stupid as Canadians would have to be to think that the Conservatives have moved to the centre of the field.

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