Who Owns the Arctic?

Mowich

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Michael Byers is the author of 'Who Owns the Arctic: Understanding Sovereignty Disputes in the North.

CPAC aired a talk given by Michael Byers which I happened to catch the other night.

During his presentation, Byers raised many interesting questions concerning Canada’s policies and practices regarding the Arctic. Addressing issues such as boundary disputes, treatment of northern peoples, environmental concerns, and ideas for expanding our presence in the North among others, he detailed our present approach and then outlined ideas for improvement.

He related a story told to him by a much respected Inuit elder. Apparently, so the story goes, back in 1969 the US and Exxon got together and decided to test the waters of the North with a super tanker whose hull had been reinforced in order to punch through ice. Both parties agreed that they would keep the test a secret from the Canadians. So away they go on their journey through the ice until they get to Lancaster Sound. Out of nowhere, look-outs spot two tiny dots on the ice in the tanker’s path. As the ship gets closer, the figures grow larger. They are finally identified as two Inuit men. The men simply stand there, no weapons, no threat – but not moving. The ship stops, the men are invited on board, and negotiations between the two parties take place. They chat away for awhile; the men debark and go on their way, as does the ship. The Inuit had made their point.

Two men brought a US super tanker to a halt in the Arctic Ocean - two unarmed men who stood their ground to make the point that someone was there as witness.

The Canadian and US governments to this day refuse to confirm or deny the story.

The same Inuit elder was the subject of another anecdote about a meeting he attended at the UN. During discussions about the Arctic, a delegate who obviously knew nothing of the Inuit, stood up and said that nobody lived up there so why was there even a dispute, or words to that effect. After the meeting, the elder went up to the delegate, shook his hand, and said, ‘Hi, I’m nobody.’

I mention these anecdotes because in discussions concerning the Arctic talk invariably turns to boundary disputes, or hydrocarbon extraction, or the sovereignty of Hans Island. As Byers pointed out, of all the countries claiming sovereignty rights in the Artic, not one of them poses as much threat to Arctic waters as does one single supertanker flying a flag of convenience. Why? Ships carrying flags of convenience are not subject to the same standards as ships carrying a country’s flag thus they need not be maintained in good condition and thus pose, if nothing else, a possible environmental threat. Who will be watching for these ships? Who will stop them? Where will they be stopped, and by which country?

Sovereignty is not simply a matter of geographical connection, he said, as it is one of established presence in the area. The CLCS, he stated, looks beyond geographical land connections, taking into consideration evidence supporting a long and well-established cultural and economic presence in some disputed areas.

Time and again he came back to the need for Canada to expand and build on our resources in the North. Some of the ideas he raised included training Inuit people for positions on Coast Guard cutters; scrapping the idea of building a super icebreaker such as the Diefenbaker and adding more mid-sized ships to the fleet, and using technology such as that developed very successfully by Norway for hydrocarbon extraction.

IMHO, Canada’s presence in the North is spotty at best. Our support of people living there is sadly lacking especially when something as necessary as the shipment of good food, (as opposed to rotting vegetables, out-of-date milk and mouldy bread) may currently be held up for days by bad weather, equipment break-downs, or poor ice-roads. We need more ‘witnesses’ in the North. We need to work together with other northern circumpolar nations. Canadian sovereignty may not be in dispute, however, our ability to show we are entitled to it could be.
 

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And one day Johnny Appleseed left Massachusetts on foot to California and there was a hole in his appleseed bag.

And thats why we have apple trees all over the country!
 

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In the 1960s, the US and Exxon built a double hulled tanker, and had the Canadian Coast Guard send an icebreaker along with it to see if it could handle the trip.
 

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I read that there were actually two trips made by the Manhatten, one with the Canadians and one without. The truth is out there.
 

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US, Canada at odds over Arctic forum

CHELSEA, Quebec – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton took issue with Canada for not inviting all those with legitimate interests in the Arctic to what was supposed to be a gathering to enhance cooperation in the region.
Clinton said she had been contacted by representatives of indigenous groups who were disappointed they were not invited, according to prepared remarks for Monday's Arctic Coastal meeting. She also said that Sweden, Finland and Iceland — the three Arctic States not represented — had similar concerns.
"Significant international discussions on Arctic issues should include those who have legitimate interests in the region. And I hope the Arctic will always showcase our ability to work together, not create new divisions," Clinton said.
In what appeared to be a further expression of her displeasure, Clinton did not attend what was planned as a group news conference following the meeting.
Instead, Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon ended up doing the news conference by himself.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_ca/cn_canada_arctic_meeting

 

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Who Owns the Arctic?


We do, as in the First Nations, it was never ceded to the Crown...lol...
 

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US, Canada at odds over Arctic forum

CHELSEA, Quebec – U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton took issue with Canada for not inviting all those with legitimate interests in the Arctic to what was supposed to be a gathering to enhance cooperation in the region.
Clinton said she had been contacted by representatives of indigenous groups who were disappointed they were not invited, according to prepared remarks for Monday's Arctic Coastal meeting. She also said that Sweden, Finland and Iceland — the three Arctic States not represented — had similar concerns.
"Significant international discussions on Arctic issues should include those who have legitimate interests in the region. And I hope the Arctic will always showcase our ability to work together, not create new divisions," Clinton said.
In what appeared to be a further expression of her displeasure, Clinton did not attend what was planned as a group news conference following the meeting.
Instead, Canadian Foreign Minister Lawrence Cannon ended up doing the news conference by himself.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100329/ap_on_re_ca/cn_canada_arctic_meeting
Typical yankee squawking. Let them continue to squawk.
 

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I don't know about on the other side of the pole but on this side Canada owns from a line 200 miles off the eastern most tip to the pole and on the west at least on a line continuing the Yukon -Alaska border. More probably to 200 miles off the west coast too since I am not convinced that Russia had the right to sell Alaska to the Americans and it most probably was Canadian or British territory all along.
This one always drives the Yanks crazy.
 

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Who Owns the Arctic?


We do, as in the First Nations, it was never ceded to the Crown...lol...


Why not, the Seminoles (the unconquered people) and Miccosukee tribes here in Florida own the mineral rights to their lands. Lots of oil down here also.
 

ironsides

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Typical yankee squawking. Let them continue to squawk.
 

CDNBear

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Why not, the Seminoles (the unconquered people) and Miccosukee tribes here in Florida own the mineral rights to their lands. Lots of oil down here also.
You know what the funny thing is?

There was no such thing as the Seminole, until the British alliances with the Creek and other Nations, forced sub clans to migrate south.

Hell Seminole roughly translates into Runaway, or wild men.

Now they're reaping a just reward, lol.
 

ironsides

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You know what the funny thing is?

There was no such thing as the Seminole, until the British alliances with the Creek and other Nations, forced sub clans to migrate south.

Hell Seminole roughly translates into Runaway, or wild men.

Now they're reaping a just reward, lol.

Yes, they were/are made up of many tribes and what a combination it turned out to be, they were never defeated and just sort of blended into our society perfectly. They are great neighbors to have.
 

CDNBear

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Yes, they were/are made up of many tribes and what a combination it turned out to be, they were never defeated and just sort of blended into our society perfectly. They are great neighbors to have.
Agreed. I've met several on my travels, and they are one of the most open and accepting nations I have ever had the pleasure of meeting.
 

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Russians had lots of dreams about conquering The Arctic in 1930´s, in times of Stalin. The Soviet magazines were full of stories of brave communist polar heroes. This cult of the Arctic North went on to the 1950´s and 60´s, and is still remembered, as Russia is a traditonalist culture.

In a way, it was considered the true home of Russia; an image of Russian soul - land of extreme weather, ice, darkness and cold, that nobody but Russian/communist hero can conquer.

So... you mean capitalists are trying to take their home, their soul?