Conservative Government Attempts To Muzzle The Courts

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Conservative Government Attempts To Muzzle The Courts

CBC reports on Friday, Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre told reporters that "any decision to ask for Mr. Khadr’s return to Canada is a decision for the democratically elected government of Canada and not for the courts.”

With statements like this you have to wonder if the Conservatives are entertaining the idea of fascism.

According to Webster’s definition:

fascism definition
fas·cism (fas̸hiz′əm)
noun
1. the doctrines, methods, or movement of the Fascisti
2. a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.
3.
a. a political movement based on such policies
b. fascist behavior


This government feels that the Supreme Court of Canada has no say in enforcing the laws because they are not elected just is another example of the close minded government we have.

The government makes the laws and the courts enforce them and if the government don’t like the laws they can change them through the House of Commons.

This government wants to let a Canadian citizen rot in jail in another country and not do anything about it and it does not like it when the courts tells them to do their jobs.

This is not the first time the government has done this and for some reason their Christian based supporters from the prairie provinces support this type of government behaviour which equate to blind faith.

This government is for human rights but when it comes to Canadian rights they are not there.

When the Conservative wins the majority the voters will be come to a rude awakening and by then it will be too late.

 

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Liberalman, I see in my absence you haven't changed a bit...

1, With the courts rulings being based on the Charter, which of course solidifies the rights of the individual and holds them higher then the rights of the populace, it would seem that the Gov't is doing exactly the opposite of what you have accused them of.

2, The comment places the Gov't position in the hands of the people. The people can remove the Gov't and have it's will be voiced through another party, whereas the people can not sway the collective will of the courts.

Thus your accusation is as always flawed and misguided. Thanx for being consistent.

Hey, one quick question...Do you know what the one and only fascist act to be perpetrated upon the Canadian people, and by whom?

The War Measures Act, by your hero, P.E.T.
 
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Hey, one quick question...Do you know what the one and only fascist act to be perpetrated upon the Canadian people, and by whom?

The War Measures Act, by your hero, P.E.T.

Hi CDNBear did your hunting go well besides the deer did you get anything else.

Canada was on the brink of a revolution and the Government had to act fast to stop it and the War Measures Act stopped it.

I am adding links so you can refresh yourself on the seriousness of the situation.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/docs/october/trudeau.htm


War Measures Act
http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/docs/october/wm-act.htm


The Original Demands of the FLQ

The Manifesto of the FLQ/ Le Manifeste du FLQ

Letter of Pierre Laporte to Robert Bourassa

Letter of Pierre Laporte to his wife

October 15 statement by Robert Bourassa regarding negotiations

Trudeau’s "Just watch me" interview

Letters from the Quebec authorities requesting the War Measures Act

Public Order Regulation, October 1970

Explanations given in the House of Commons by John Turner, Minister of Justice, on the War Measures Act

Reaction of the FLQ to the War Measures Act

Editorial by Claude Ryan on the War Measures Act

Statement by René Lévesque on the War Measures Act

Statements by T. C. Douglas, Leader of the New Democratic Party, on the War Measures Act

Radio message of Mrs. Cross to her husband and the FLQ

Public Order Temporary Regulations, November 1970

Robert Bourassa on the October Crisis

A radical interpretation of the October Crisis

 

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No need, but thanx anyways.

I'm sure the labour leaders in Nanimo BC will be happy to hear that being detained because the FLQ was such a serious threat...:roll:

It was a fascist over reaction. It took guts, I will admit, but that does not change a thing. And your interpretation of the events of Black October bear no weight on your misrepresentations of the present Gov'ts actions.
 

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Hi CDNBear did your hunting go well besides the deer did you get anything else.

Canada was on the brink of a revolution and the Government had to act fast to stop it and the War Measures Act stopped it.

I am adding links so you can refresh yourself on the seriousness of the situation.



Baloney.

Two kidnappings.........some protests.

Hardly warfare in the streets.

"Brink of Revolution" HA!
 

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And, in a desperate attempt to get back on target............the government has NOT defied the courts, they are appealing a court decision.

I believe we have passed the point where we can justify leaving Khadr in the USA.....unfortunately he hasn't croaked........the Americans have demonstrated an unsavoury determination to ignore their own constitution and the rules of a fair trial in his prosecution.....I have NO idea why they didn't just shoot him on the spot.

All that said.......the Court has NO BUSINESS interfering in the government's conduct of foreign affairs. Obviously, the court is way out of its jurisdiction.......
 

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No need, but thanx anyways.

I'm sure the labour leaders in Nanimo BC will be happy to hear that being detained because the FLQ was such a serious threat...:roll:

It was a fascist over reaction. It took guts, I will admit, but that does not change a thing. And your interpretation of the events of Black October bear no weight on your misrepresentations of the present Gov'ts actions.

Unions do fund terrorists groups in other countries
 

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It is not so much "An attempt to muzzle the courts" as much as as "An attempt to Intimidate the courts." That is equally reprehensible in a country that claims to be governed by the rule of law!
 

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Unions do fund terrorists groups in other countries
Although this is true, not even the courts in Canada could find the connection. Please feel free to prove otherwise.

It was a complete breach of civil liberties, for a reason right or wrong, it matters not. It was a fascist act, plain and simple.

It is not so much "An attempt to muzzle the courts" as much as as "An attempt to Intimidate the courts." That is equally reprehensible in a country that claims to be governed by the rule of law!
Governed yes, ruled no. The courts, specifically the SCoC, have made several decisions that border on creating new law and use broad interpretations of present laws, to enact social policy. An act well beyond their mandate. This case, in which the courts have dictated that Omar should be repatriated, is just such a ruling. Our Canadian courts have no standing in foreign nations. To blindly find that the present Gov't should repatriate Omar is well beyond their scope. Telling the Gov't it must force a nation to do as we bid is ludicrous.

If the courts in the US were to try this, most of the inhabitants of this forum would blow a gasket.
 

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Although this is true, not even the courts in Canada could find the connection. Please feel free to prove otherwise.

It was a complete breach of civil liberties, for a reason right or wrong, it matters not. It was a fascist act, plain and simple.

Governed yes, ruled no. The courts, specifically the SCoC, have made several decisions that border on creating new law and use broad interpretations of present laws, to enact social policy. An act well beyond their mandate. This case, in which the courts have dictated that Omar should be repatriated, is just such a ruling. Our Canadian courts have no standing in foreign nations. To blindly find that the present Gov't should repatriate Omar is well beyond their scope. Telling the Gov't it must force a nation to do as we bid is ludicrous.

If the courts in the US were to try this, most of the inhabitants of this forum would blow a gasket.

It is not repatriation that is the issue. The courts quite correctly affirm that all Canadians have equal rights.
 

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It is not repatriation that is the issue. The courts quite correctly affirm that all Canadians have equal rights.
And I agree, but that is not what the courts concluded. It's ruling was in fact to force the Gov't to demand that Omar, an un-uniformed foreign national, terrorist, who was captured in the act, be protected by the Canadian Charter, in a foreign nation. Thusly, if this is not achieved, the Gov't demand his repatriation.

Guilty or not, he is not eligible for protection under Canadian law, he is also likewise ineligible to be tried under the UCMJ. This is why combatants in his position, were summarily shot upon being captured in past conflicts.

The facts of the matter are available, his family were Canadians of convenience.

BTW, every Canadian has the same rights to behave outside the borders of Canada. Lest they find themselves at another countries mercy.
 

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"The War Measures Act, by your hero, P.E.T."- Since when was he a hero? Worst damned prime minister we ever had, squandered us to the tune of about $400 billion in the glue.
 

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"The War Measures Act, by your hero, P.E.T."- Since when was he a hero? Worst damned prime minister we ever had, squandered us to the tune of about $400 billion in the glue.
Hence the word "your", he certainly wasn't mine either.

Worst thing to happen to Canada since the first boats landed...;-)
 
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Hence the word "your", he certainly wasn't mine either.

Worst thing to happen to Canada since the first boats landed...;-)

Mainly attibutable to a lot of dizzy women (sorry ladies) in the late '60s, so long as they were going ga ga over movie stars not too much damage was done, but sticking their noses into politics (sorry again ladies) just about done us all in. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

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Conservative Government Attempts To Muzzle The Courts

CBC reports on Friday, Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre told reporters that "any decision to ask for Mr. Khadr’s return to Canada is a decision for the democratically elected government of Canada and not for the courts.”
He's right. Judging by what happened concerning Lennikov it is politicians that decide who comes and stays or who comes and goes and the courts only interfere when a legal decision is needed.
As usual, LM, your weird version of things is wrong.
 

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fascism definition
fas·cism (fas̸h′iz′əm)
noun
1. the doctrines, methods, or movement of the Fascisti
2. a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of opposition, private economic enterprise under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, racism, and militarism, etc.
3.
a. a political movement based on such policies
b. fascist behavior
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Sounds exactly the same as the definition of socialism.