Do you expect Govts to enfore the law? Not always for special interest groups.

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Do you expect Govts to enfore the law? Not always for special interest groups. Read on Mcduff and comment This situation has dropped of the radar for many Canadians - for others it has not. http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2216425

'Lawless oasis' formed in Caledonia: lawsuit
HAMILTON -- A refusal by police to move against natives, even when witnessing dangerous criminal acts unrelated to land-claims issues, has allowed a "lawless oasis" to flourish, a no-man's land encompassing an unfortunate couple whose home lies between a police barricade and a site occupied by masked aboriginal protestors, court heard yesterday.While the personal impact on David Brown and Dana Chatwell -- who found in 2006 that their home, alone, fell on the native-controlled side of the barricades during an ongoing confrontation over land in Caledonia, Ont. -- is the focus of the civil lawsuit, allegations of police inaction in deference to aboriginal relations forms its unusual backdrop."This is an extraordinary claim," John Evans, lawyer for the couple, began his opening address yesterday in Ontario Superior Court, saying the case is about the alleged failure of the Ontario Provincial Police and the Ontario government to protect his clients by enforcing the law."What this case is not about is the right of First Nations people to claim land as part of their heritage, as part of the First Nation assertions of rights under treaties," he said, a reference to the Crown raising the issue of native relations in the wake of the public inquiry into the death of Dudley George, a native protester shot and killed by the OPP during a 1995 protest at Ipperwash Provincial Park."Canadians live in a society with expectations that the police will protect them from threats, from vandalism, from intimidation," Mr. Evans said. "Canadians expect to be safe from repeated unlawful conduct."In this circumstance, the criminal conduct is known, is repeated and yet is not policed for 3½ years. That just does not happen in Canadian and Ontario society."Mr. Brown and Ms. Chatwell's house on Argyle Street South is at the southern edge of the disputed land, where the scenes of fiery protest that made national headlines took place a few feet from their back deck.Native protesters claiming ownership over land being developed into a subdivision, known as the Douglas Creek Estates, occupied the site in February, 2006. The following April, OPP officers raided the site and ejected the protestors only to be driven back when several hundred natives from the nearby Six Nations reserve arrived.The natives then erected barricades, which police have since respected, with the couple's home cut off from the rest of the community.Life in their isolation has meant having to present a "passport" to natives when leaving or returning to their house, having their car searched by masked men at barricades, being refused access to their property, having no mail or garbage removal and enduring noise, fires, bright lights and their house being ransacked and defaced with vulgar and racist graffiti.They have been threatened and intimidated and, all the while, police refused to intervene, the couple alleges.Further acts of lawlessness will be highlighted in the case, such as newspaper and television reporters being beaten and equipment stolen or broken, a van being pushed off a bridge onto a roadway, and court orders and injunctions being ignored."This has created a lawless oasis in which the plaintiffs exist without police protection and in constant fear of harm," said Mr. Evans."The plaintiffs had no protection from the police. They lived a terrified existence between the two sets of barriers."He said the couple had reason to believe that "the native protesters are lawless, fearless intimidators capable of violent criminal conduct and that the police will not - even in the most flagrant circumstances -- take steps to protect them."He argued that the Ipperwash inquiry did not suggest police allow native protestors to act lawlessly with impunity."These plaintiffs have lived for over 3½ years in a situation akin to a war zone where fear of injury, of unknown and unpredictable attacks, prevail."As a result, Mr. Brown has lost his job, become depressed and suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder; Ms Chatwell lost her in-home hair salon business and suffers mental distress; and her teenaged son, Dax, has had to live elsewhere.While the government settled with the owners of the estate, compensating them $16-million for the loss of the land, Mr. Brown and Ms. Chatwell have been left to fend for themselves."It's like we are the sacrificial lamb in this whole situation," Mr. Brown said before court. "All we wanted was to get out of the house and be relocated. It's a dangerous situation and we want out," he said."There are two sets of rules," he said. "One for the natives and one for the non-natives."Their lawsuit seeks up to $7-million in damages from the province and the OPP.The Crown is scheduled to presents opening arguments to Justice Thomas Bielby today.
 

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Sounds just like Palestine, which by our unwavering support of Israeli actions is NO problem

(I just figured there was no need for subtlety after that ridiculous article)
 

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It is really simple. To arrest the natives for breaking the law would not be PC. And that matters more in Ottawa than anything else.
 

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Sounds just like Palestine, which by our unwavering support of Israeli actions is NO problem

(I just figured there was no need for subtlety after that ridiculous article)
MabudonAbsolutely brilliant - You must come from a long line of geniuses - I to agree that there is no need for my being subtle with you.
 

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This inability to protect its citizens against people that should know better than to copy what was done to their ancestors makes the gov't just as culpable for what's been done to this couple. The gov't as well as those individuals terrorizing the couple should be held responsible, IMO.
 

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This inability to protect its citizens against people that should know better than to copy what was done to their ancestors makes the gov't just as culpable for what's been done to this couple. The gov't as well as those individuals terrorizing the couple should be held responsible, IMO.
Anna GBack in the 90's, Quebec - a substantial pot farm was located - Both the Federal and Prov Govts stated that it was the other Govt's responsibility to act upon this - When I say substantial - from what I recall hundreds of acres - It was located in one or the other - cannot recall exactly -Kahnawake or Akwesasne
 

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Anna GBack in the 90's, Quebec - a substantial pot farm was located - Both the Federal and Prov Govts stated that it was the other Govt's responsibility to act upon this - When I say substantial - from what I recall hundreds of acres - It was located in one or the other - cannot recall exactly -Kahnawake or Akwesasne
Exactly. If the governement of this country is going to define borders at all, it should be able to control what goes on inside them. Same to be said for provinces, districts, villages, etc.
 

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Indians are crown people. Crown people work or are part of the govt. The police wonder, "Was the ICBC scam last year in BC really a crime? Employees ripping off customers for their own benefit" No charges have ever been laid on any employee of this "crown" corporation. Then there's another law for the little people.

Audit slams ICBC for ignoring internal vehicle sales scam

Last Updated: Thursday, July 17, 2008



CBC News - British Columbia - Audit slams ICBC for ignoring internal vehicle sales scam
 

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Sounds just like Palestine, which by our unwavering support of Israeli actions is NO problem
Sounds nothing like Palestine...Hold on, maybe you're right?

If we're talking about a group of people who have actually been displaced by criminal actions, having their cause hijacked by criminals and thugs willing to bend the plight to their own sick needs?

Then ya it does sound like Palestine, the Clan Mom's sat peacefully for weeks with no incident. The towns folk supported their cause. Then the MWS joined in and turned it to shyte.

Ya, I can see the parody...:roll:

(I just figured there was no need for subtlety after that ridiculous article)
What's ridiculous about it? The OPP allowed criminal behavior to go on unchecked. Innocent people were hurt, hindered and harassed. I'm supporting the Complainants in this one.
 

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Sounds just like Palestine, which by our unwavering support of Israeli actions is NO problem

(I just figured there was no need for subtlety after that ridiculous article)
Testimony by the OPP
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2221723
Caledonia LawsuitThe OPP is handcuffed by the "policy implications" of negotiation and reconciliation with aboriginal peoples when it comes to policing the fiery native occupation of land in Caledonia, forcing officers not to intervene in a startling litany of crimes, court heard yesterday.A multimillion-dollar lawsuit against the Ontario Provincial Police and the Ontario government by a Caledonia couple whose house is adjacent to the site of a native occupation that began in 2006 and continues today, is underway in nearby Hamilton."The plaintiff's claim must be understood against the backdrop of the unique character of aboriginal occupations and protests," said Crown lawyer David Feliciant in his opening remarks.Mr. Feliciant described the OPP's role as "peacekeeping" in a volatile situation outside the normal bounds of law enforcement. Evidence presented in court, however, painted a shocking picture of a community that saw little in the way of peace at the height of the native protest.After the occupation of 70 acres of land being developed into a residential subdivision on Feb. 28, 2006, native protestors from Six Nations reserve set up a road blockade that controlled access to the site."They set up a checkpoint... Almost like they were entering another country," OPP Inspector Brian Haggith said in previous sworn testimony that was officially read into the court record yesterday.The bizarre, chaotic situation, not only at the occupied site but in the community, was detailed in court.The community lost confidence in the OPP's ability to protect them, according to Insp. Haggith's testimony.When natives set fire to a wooden bridge in town, the fire department withdrew from fighting the blaze when confronted by shouted death threats from the protestors. The fire chief told the OPP he did not believe they would protect him or his men if they went against the natives' wishes, Insp. Haggith said.A hydro substation was then destroyed, causing more than $1-million in damage and a blackout, when a truck crashed through its gates and was left, ablaze, next to the equipment. There was little police response.On June 9, 2006, when two elderly citizens were followed and surrounded in their car in a parking lot away from the occupation site, with native protestors jumping onto the vehicle and threatening to kill them, police did not intervene, court heard.When a television news crew was seen shooting video of that attack, protestors walked past police officers and confronted the cameraman. A reporter was grabbed, put in a headlock and punched in the head, requiring hospital treatment. The camera was grabbed, dropped to the pavement and the video stolen.Police did not intervene.Insp. Haggith then heard a woman from the town on the phone to police, crying. But she refused to give officers her name because she said she knew police would not protect her from the protestors.Even law enforcement personnel were not safe, court heard.When an unmarked U.S. Border Patrol car with two U.S. agents and an OPP intelligence officer inside arrived to look at the site of the occupation, it was also attacked by natives. The car was stopped and the driver pulled out and a protestor climbed in.As the OPP officer tried to escape out the back door of the moving car he was injured. The car was then driven directly at him as he lay incapacitated on the pavement and was narrowly pulled to safety by onlookers."I said it had gone on too far," testified Insp. Haggith, of a subsequent meeting he had with his OPP superiors. His request for a change in policy was denied."We were dealing with this differently because it was a land claims issue," he said.Mr. Brown and Ms. Chatwell's house is the closest to the occupied site and the only one that was caught on the native side of the barricade that has since been removed.
 

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This is like the law that applies to tree huggers when they come on to private property and hang in the trees to protest logging. For some reason the RCMP won't leave the doughnut shop to remove them but when a logger beats the **** out of one that is interfering with his right to earn a living guess who gets an assault charge. Apparently it is also against the law to fall a tree with a welfare bum hanging in it. Even Worksafe BC won't fine them for entering a worksite illegally and without proper PPE although they are quite willing to fine workers and companies for the same thing.