#1Oct 4th, 2009
A time when the GG visited an arts organization.
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Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Free Thinker
A time when the GG visited an arts organization.
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Liberal
#2
Re: Governor General’s Program
Oct 4th, 2009
I’m not sure what you mean, dumpthemonarchy.
Her Excellency The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada, performs more than just ‘ceremonial duties’. The Governor General regularly tours the regions of Canada and celebrates our fabulous mosaïc of culture. Her Excellency has also, more than any previous governor general than Canada has ever had, worked to encourage the Canadian people — particularly Canadian youth — to engage one another on issues that matter. (The Governor General’s new forum, Citizen Voices, comes to mind.)
Her Excellency The Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D., the Governor General of Canada, performs more than just ‘ceremonial duties’. The Governor General regularly tours the regions of Canada and celebrates our fabulous mosaïc of culture. Her Excellency has also, more than any previous governor general than Canada has ever had, worked to encourage the Canadian people — particularly Canadian youth — to engage one another on issues that matter. (The Governor General’s new forum, Citizen Voices, comes to mind.)
#3
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009
She probably won't sit in a pub and have a jaw session with many people either. Nor pop onto a field with her football boots, jersey, and shorts on and kick the ball around a bit. Nor go snowshoeing in the Bugaboos for a weekend.
Liberal
#4
Re: Governor General’s Program
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
Nor would I expect the Governor General to do so.She probably won't sit in a pub and have a jaw session with many people either. Nor pop onto a field with her football boots, jersey, and shorts on and kick the ball around a bit. Nor go snowshoeing in the Bugaboos for a weekend.
The Governor General’s role is to be available when needed by the Honourable the Senate, and the House of Commons; it is to function, for Canada, as a constitutional safeguard; it is to represent Her Majesty The Queen of Canada throughout Her Majesty’s duties as our head of State. Her Excellency has done an excellent job thus far as our Governor General, and I can only hope that The Right Honourable Stephen Harper P.C., M.P. (Calgary Southwest), the Prime Minister of Canada, recognises the tremendous good that it would do for Canada for the Governor General’s term to persist beyond 2010. (The prime minister should be amicable to that idea, given the fact that the Governor General’s sound constitutional judgment and mediation made it possible for Her Majesty’s Government for Canada to govern through today.)
I’m excited to hear that Her Excellency is going to be leading the peace conference for the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Games — Canadians should be extremely proud that our head of State’s representative is going to be given such a leadership role on a global scale.
#5
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009
I'm not big on pomp and circumstance. "Pride goeth before a fall". To me, people are just people.
Liberal
#6
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
When the pomp and circumstance are a part of Canadian heritage, I hope that Canadians absolutely cherish it — for example, the entire ceremony that opens the Parliament of Canada is fantastic, and it is something Canadian. We must absolutely protect these traditions and ceremonies, so that we don’t forget the meaning behind them (and these meanings help to shape our government, our institutions and our people). With the relatively low cost of having a Governor General representative of a shared monarchy (compared with the cost of a presidential head of State), I think that we have a smart system — and I don’t see why we can’t enjoy the bit of dramatic ceremony that goes with it.I'm not big on pomp and circumstance. "Pride goeth before a fall". To me, people are just people.
#7
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
That's fine but don't expect every Canuck to think much of it.When the pomp and circumstance are a part of Canadian heritage, I hope that Canadians absolutely cherish it — for example, the entire ceremony that opens the Parliament of Canada is fantastic, and it is something Canadian. We must absolutely protect these traditions and ceremonies, so that we don’t forget the meaning behind them (and these meanings help to shape our government, our institutions and our people). With the relatively low cost of having a Governor General representative of a shared monarchy (compared with the cost of a presidential head of State), I think that we have a smart system — and I don’t see why we can’t enjoy the bit of dramatic ceremony that goes with it.
The RCMP musical ride is much more entertaining than some woman in the middle of a lot of PC P & C, IMO. I get heritage any time we go camping for any length of time. We put our tipi up or build a wigwam. We watch fireworks on July 1, too. We listen to CBC radio, Gordon Lightfoot, Susie Arioli, Ian Tyson, Tegan & Sara, and Oscar Petersen. That's enough heritage for me.
Liberal
#8
Re: Governor General is “Some Woman”
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
That’s akin to a reference to His Excellency the Honourable Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, as “some man”. The Governor General holds, for Canadians, the very highest place on the order of precedence (save for Her Majesty) — even higher than other members of The Royal Family of Canada. The Governor General represents the head of State, and therefore is the embodiment of Canada’s sovereignty. I would think that the Governor General would deserve, amongst Canadians, at least some modicum of respect. Heritage means nothing if we encourage ourselves to forget our past, our historic roots and the foundation of our constitution....than some woman...
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#9
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009
I wonder how many Canadian organizations there are and how long it would take to visit every one of them..
#10
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
In other words, you don't know, but your willing to take an assumption as fact?But I doubt the GG has visited a hockey team or a gun club.
Just to stir up things for no reason.
#11
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
The title of this thread is just your assumption, and you know what happens when you assume. Besides, whats your point??The gov-gen does mostly ceremonial duties, but also visits arts organizations. But I doubt the GG has visited a hockey team or a gun club. They are Canadian organizations too.
A time when the GG visited an arts organization.
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#12
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
The user name says it all....whats your point??
#13
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Exactly my point. Obama is just some man. Same with Harpy. They aren't just "some Martian" or "some groundhog". It's just a bureaucratic pecking order, IMO. My chickens have a pecking order, too, sans the bureaucracy. That’s akin to a reference to His Excellency the Honourable Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, as “some man”.
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As a fellow human being, you bet. What makes her any more important to me than my family physician, or the plumber living next door, or the electrician living on the other side of us? Nothing. The Governor General holds, for Canadians, the very highest place on the order of precedence (save for Her Majesty) — even higher than other members of The Royal Family of Canada. The Governor General represents the head of State, and therefore is the embodiment of Canada’s sovereignty. I would think that the Governor General would deserve, amongst Canadians, at least some modicum of respect.
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How long have you spent in a tipi or wigwam? Heritage means nothing if we encourage ourselves to forget our past, our historic roots and the foundation of our constitution.
#14
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 5th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
And you expect him (her?)to figure it out? Sadist. lolThe user name says it all.
Free Thinker
#15
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
Gee, why does the white wine set get a high profile leader to push their agenda? All the GG has to do is simply go to a sporting event. What is so hard about that?She probably won't sit in a pub and have a jaw session with many people either. Nor pop onto a field with her football boots, jersey, and shorts on and kick the ball around a bit. Nor go snowshoeing in the Bugaboos for a weekend.
Is there some law saying she can't go out for a beer? All that grass in Ottawa and she can't do any physical exercise? Not for upper class chicks?
Free Thinker
#16
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Me too, I hear the peace conference going to be about Afghanistan. lol!I’m excited to hear that Her Excellency is going to be leading the peace conference for the Vancouver 2010 Olympic Games — Canadians should be extremely proud that our head of State’s representative is going to be given such a leadership role on a global scale.
But really folks, we all know she's useless.
Free Thinker
#17
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I checked back to last November 2008.In other words, you don't know, but your willing to take an assumption as fact?
Just to stir up things for no reason.
Liberal
#18
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009
Even the right wingers were supporting Mme. Jean when she went to Nunavut and ate raw seal.
Free Thinker
#19
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by aman12
Which sounds like the right wingers don't support her much. I kind of supported her too here. Poor people just getting by. Eating seals is okay as there are millions of them, but not whales. But still kind of yucky. I worked at an east Indian wedding and I saw people eating with their hands, I found it revolting.Even the right wingers were supporting Mme. Jean when she went to Nunavut and ate raw seal.
Free Thinker
#20
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 6th, 2009
That's why I don't like her.
Liberal
#21
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
Oh, of course...But really folks, we all know she's useless.
She only carries out constant engagements, non-stop, for the strengthening of Canada, the preservation and promotion of Canadian diversity and culture, and the celebration of excellence, and the maintenance of the constitutional powers needed for the guarantee of democratic government — yup, useless. (I hope that the sarcasm on ‘useless’ is detected.) The anti-monarchist crowd is quite prepared to drag anyone through the mud, as needed, to depose The Queen — oh, how evil and sinister Her Majesty is!
#22
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Yeah, it's tough all that partying, but someone has to do it. Celebration of excellence? What excellence? What democratic gov't? We have an oligarchy.Oh, of course...
She only carries out constant engagements, non-stop, for the strengthening of Canada, the preservation and promotion of Canadian diversity and culture, and the celebration of excellence, and the maintenance of the constitutional powers needed for the guarantee of democratic government — yup, useless. (I hope that the sarcasm on ‘useless’ is detected.) The anti-monarchist crowd is quite prepared to drag anyone through the mud, as needed, to depose The Queen — oh, how evil and sinister Her Majesty is!
QE2 isn't evil, just generally a bit of fluff, is all.
Free Thinker
#23
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
A monarch has majesty when the illiterate unwashed believe their king or queen has some kind of pipeline to a g/God. A sense of mystery and power exist here. Meanwhile to their personal servants and other aristocrats they are nothing special. Oh, of course...
She only carries out constant engagements, non-stop, for the strengthening of Canada, the preservation and promotion of Canadian diversity and culture, and the celebration of excellence, and the maintenance of the constitutional powers needed for the guarantee of democratic government — yup, useless. (I hope that the sarcasm on ‘useless’ is detected.) The anti-monarchist crowd is quite prepared to drag anyone through the mud, as needed, to depose The Queen — oh, how evil and sinister Her Majesty is!
Some Canadians do not constantly engage in dainty engagements and they are not represented by this GG. If Canadian culture is as diverse as you say, she obviously must diversity her activities. She doesn't, so, it's time to dump her.
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#24
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 7th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by FiveParadox
Complete waste of time and Canadian taxpayers money. The monarchy its self is a national embarrassment. Since the GG is England's rep here they should be footing the bill not us. Anna is right, GGs never mingle with ordinary Canadians. Artsy fartsy stuff sure but I bet you would never find here at a stock car race or a fishing derby either.When the pomp and circumstance are a part of Canadian heritage, I hope that Canadians absolutely cherish it — for example, the entire ceremony that opens the Parliament of Canada is fantastic, and it is something Canadian. We must absolutely protect these traditions and ceremonies, so that we don’t forget the meaning behind them (and these meanings help to shape our government, our institutions and our people). With the relatively low cost of having a Governor General representative of a shared monarchy (compared with the cost of a presidential head of State), I think that we have a smart system — and I don’t see why we can’t enjoy the bit of dramatic ceremony that goes with it.
Free Thinker
#25
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 7th, 2009
Canadians chrish pomp and ceremony? Doesn't that guy from Alberta on Dragon's Den always like to wear jeans? We're a pretty casual bunch and our govt should reflect this too with the GG going to a fishing derby and then a barbeque. Why we piss away millions on the GG is beyond me.
Liberal
#26
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 8th, 2009
She very much did mingle with ordinary folk at the Acadian World Congress in NB this past August. I was not impressed when PM Martin chose her and she kinda wimped out on the prorogation in January but over all she has done a credible job. I was very impressed when she donned a Naval uniform for the presentation of new colours to the RCN. It has been a while since we had a Commander in Chief wear a uniform.
Liberal
#27
Re: Office of the Secretary to the Governor General
Oct 9th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
I wouldn’t consider the sorts of engagements that the Governor General carries out as “partying”. There is a tremendous value to be placed on the preservation and promotion of Canadian culture, and the position of Governor General (such as it is placed above the partisanship of the day) is uniquely capable of performing that function with more legitimacy than it would by, say, a prime minister or elected representative.Yeah, it's tough all that partying, but someone has to do it.
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
The Governor General is the Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada (an Order which recognises excellence amongst Canadians); Her Excellency is also the Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit (which recognises excellence amongst members of the Canadian Forces), and the Order of Merit of the Police Forces (which, as can be surmised, recognises excellence within the police forces). Then there’s the Governor General’s Caring Canadian Award, too.Celebration of excellence? What excellence?
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
What an odd statement.What democratic gov't? We have an oligarchy.
We have a representative parliamentary democracy as a constitutional monarchy, with Her Majesty’s Government for Canada responsible to our elected House of Commons representatives. Our elected representatives decide the legislative agenda of the day, and whether or not the Government has the mandate and the democratic authority to govern — that sounds as though we have a democracy.
Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG
Give me an hour or two, and I can post a review of The Queen’s activities on a day-to-day basis; many Canadians simply aren’t aware of the activities of the head of State, both de jure and de facto. The Queen’s schedule of engagements supports each of the sixteen Realms of the Commonwealth, and besides — the emergency powers vested in The Queen by the Constitution Act, 1867 are absolutely reason enough to hold onto the system of constitutional monarchy. These powers would not have the same meaning or non-partisanship, were they possessed by an elected head of State.QE2 isn't evil, just generally a bit of fluff, is all.
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
It is not a sense of ‘mystery and power’ — it is a sense of respect for the monarch of the nation (and of many of our global neighbours), and a sense of appreciation for the tremendously advantageous constitutional role that Her Majesty holds for Canada. It provides for a better system of government than we could hope for under any other arrangement, and that is one of the best reasons to keep the constitutional monarchy system over other proposals.A monarch has majesty when the illiterate unwashed believe their king or queen has some kind of pipeline to a g/God. A sense of mystery and power exist here. Meanwhile to their personal servants and other aristocrats they are nothing special.
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
The confused and twisted logic here is sensational! “The Governor General doesn’t watch enough hockey, she must go!” Each one of the Governor General’s engagements has a value for the development of Canada and for Canadians; to suggest that Her Excellency should be dismissed because the OSGG hasn’t penned in a few hockey engagements is insane. Her Excellency’s activities as our representative of The Queen have been diverse and admirable. You’re clearly grasping at straws to discredit the Governor General and the monarchy.Some Canadians do not constantly engage in dainty engagements and they are not represented by this GG. If Canadian culture is as diverse as you say, she obviously must diversity her activities. She doesn't, so, it's time to dump her.
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Her Excellency the Governor General started Citizen Voices.ca, a Web site that connects the Governor General to everyday Canadians. Her Excellency is the only Governor General, ever, to have question and answer sessions with Canadians on a public forum — the accusation that the Governor General does not ‘mingle with ordinary Canadians’ is blown out of the water. Also, it should be noted that the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General is constantly working to reduce the costs of the OSGG; also, the costs of the Governor General’s program are far less than any comparable president as head of State.Complete waste of time and Canadian taxpayers money. The monarchy its self is a national embarrassment. Since the GG is England's rep here they should be footing the bill not us. Anna is right, GGs never mingle with ordinary Canadians. Artsy fartsy stuff sure but I bet you would never find here at a stock car race or a fishing derby either.
Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
The Governor General’s program is a bargain, compared to other systems. The pomp, circumstance and ceremony are a window into our past and a reminder of parliamentary and constitutional principles that should never be forgotten. I’m in shock that you would attempt to pull a Dragon’s Den reference as any sort of proof against the merits of the Governor General; it’s perhaps one of the most confused arguments I’ve ever heard. It’s sad that you have such vitriol and hatred for any Canadian heritage or history, dumpthemonarchy. Maybe you should just start up a petition for de-Confederation entirely, for all of the value that you seem to give it.Canadians chrish pomp and ceremony? Doesn't that guy from Alberta on Dragon's Den always like to wear jeans? We're a pretty casual bunch and our govt should reflect this too with the GG going to a fishing derby and then a barbeque. Why we piss away millions on the GG is beyond me.
Quote: Originally Posted by aman12
Hear, hear!She very much did mingle with ordinary folk at the Acadian World Congress in NB this past August. I was not impressed when PM Martin chose her and she kinda wimped out on the prorogation in January but over all she has done a credible job. I was very impressed when she donned a Naval uniform for the presentation of new colours to the RCN. It has been a while since we had a Commander in Chief wear a uniform.
#28
Re: Gov-Gen doesn't visit hockey teams or gun clubs
Oct 10th, 2009
Now I do have a question about the GG:
In the following video, is it that she can't fully handle her booze or is it that she's a good actress when it comes to pretending to being drunk? I ask because on one occasion she struggles to pronounce the word 'Canada', but elsewhere she proves herself to be quite articulate, though she certainly does not appear shy in the least:
In the following video, is it that she can't fully handle her booze or is it that she's a good actress when it comes to pretending to being drunk? I ask because on one occasion she struggles to pronounce the word 'Canada', but elsewhere she proves herself to be quite articulate, though she certainly does not appear shy in the least:
YouTube - Michaelle Jean quotCe soir je fais une folle de moiquot
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