#1Aug 15th, 2009
Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
#2
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
The Singaporean model is interesting too:
YouTube - Singapores health system saves money and lives
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#3
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
I think Canada could do well to adapt to a better system, but not to adopt one. Could take a model from another country and modify it to fit Canada.
#4
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
I'm not sure which I prefer between the Swedish and Singaporean models, though I think they're both better than the Canadian one in that in both cases, a 'pressure valve' of sorts does exist in that they are both two-tier systems allowing considerable private involvement.
I think I lean in favour of the Singaporean system though in that it does encourage individual responsibility while, just like Canada, still guaranteeing universal access. The Swedish model does guarantee higher-quality access to the poor though, but seeeing that the WHO ranks the Singaporean model sixth in the world, I can't imagine they're suffering too much. Canada's is ranked 30th.
I think I lean in favour of the Singaporean system though in that it does encourage individual responsibility while, just like Canada, still guaranteeing universal access. The Swedish model does guarantee higher-quality access to the poor though, but seeeing that the WHO ranks the Singaporean model sixth in the world, I can't imagine they're suffering too much. Canada's is ranked 30th.
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Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
True. But it is safer to model it on aproven model with some evolutionary modifications than to just invent something else out of the blue. Once a model is in place, then we can tinker with it bit by bit. It would be safer that way I think than to just create a whole new model from scratch all at once.I think Canada could do well to adapt to a better system, but not to adopt one. Could take a model from another country and modify it to fit Canada.
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Aug 15th, 2009
According to the WHO in 2000 (--), Canada's health care ranks 30th worldwide:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
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#7
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
That's what I said. We could model ours after the Swedish one, the Swiss one, the Singapore one, or whatever and adapt it to Canada. Adopting a different system I think would cause more problems that we don't need right now. Canada could adapt to something different over whatever length of time we need.True. But it is safer to model it on aproven model with some evolutionary modifications than to just invent something else out of the blue. Once a model is in place, then we can tinker with it bit by bit. It would be safer that way I think than to just create a whole new model from scratch all at once.
But I doubt it'll ever happen. Canadian politicians seem to be of the opinion that we can do everything ourselves without using anything better as a model. So we'll make the same mistakes with ours as more evolved systems had done before, repeating history.
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Aug 15th, 2009
Honestly, I think there is the possibility that the US model could end up better than the Canadian one in future. Though studies have shown that public health care models have proven more efficient than private ones, stats suggest that two-tier systems are even better.
If Canada sits back and glories in its past achievements in the marvels of the public system while the US starts looking at the more modern two-tier systems such as the one in Sweden, or the one in Singapore, etc., we may find the US vaunting its new health care success story come next generation.
I think Canada would be wise to look at how the better systems got to where they are now and learn form them.
If Canada sits back and glories in its past achievements in the marvels of the public system while the US starts looking at the more modern two-tier systems such as the one in Sweden, or the one in Singapore, etc., we may find the US vaunting its new health care success story come next generation.
I think Canada would be wise to look at how the better systems got to where they are now and learn form them.
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#9
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Then I say good for them.Honestly, I think there is the possibility that the US model could end up better than the Canadian one in future.
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I don't care what type of system is better, as long as it is better.Though studies have shown that public health care models have proven more efficient than private ones, stats suggest that two-tier systems are even better.
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If they do, then good for them.If Canada sits back and glories in its past achievements in the marvels of the public system while the US starts looking at the more modern two-tier systems such as the one in Sweden, or the one in Singapore, etc., we may find the US vaunting its new health care success story come next generation.
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I am not going to hold my breath waiting for Canada to grab a brain.I think Canada would be wise to look at how the better systems got to where they are now and learn form them.
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#10
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Aug 15th, 2009
If we are 30th and the yanks are 37th why is anyone even thinking of comparing our system with theirs? Unless they have a vested interest in a poor system and their only defense is ours is better than theirs. We want to be looking at better delivery models not worse ones.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
For yur information, Sweden and Singapore are not US states.If we are 30th and the yanks are 37th why is anyone even thinking of comparing our system with theirs? Unless they have a vested interest in a poor system and their only defense is ours is better than theirs. We want to be looking at better delivery models not worse ones.
#12
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
And Singapore ranked sixth, not a bad showing. The French model did rank first, but also proves more expensive. I'll post that in a minute.
#13
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
Though admittedly, cost-wise, Swedish system ain't too shabby (--
HDI Rank Country 2004
1 Iceland 3,294
2 Norway 4,080
3 Australia 3,123
4 Canada 3,173
5 Ireland 2,618
6 Sweden 2,828
7 Switzerland 4,011
8 Japan 2,293
9 Netherlands 3,092
10 France 3,040
11 Finland 2,203
12 United States 6,096
13 Spain 2,099
14 Denmark 2,780
15 Austria 3,418
16 United Kingdom 2,560
17 Belgium 3,133
18 Luxembourg 5,178
19 New Zealand 2,081
20 Italy 2,414
21 Hong Kong, China (SAR) ..
22 Germany 3,171
23 Israel 1,972
24 Greece 2,179
25 Singapore 1,118
HDI Rank Country 2004
1 Iceland 3,294
2 Norway 4,080
3 Australia 3,123
4 Canada 3,173
5 Ireland 2,618
6 Sweden 2,828
7 Switzerland 4,011
8 Japan 2,293
9 Netherlands 3,092
10 France 3,040
11 Finland 2,203
12 United States 6,096
13 Spain 2,099
14 Denmark 2,780
15 Austria 3,418
16 United Kingdom 2,560
17 Belgium 3,133
18 Luxembourg 5,178
19 New Zealand 2,081
20 Italy 2,414
21 Hong Kong, China (SAR) ..
22 Germany 3,171
23 Israel 1,972
24 Greece 2,179
25 Singapore 1,118
#14
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
Now of course to be fair, we need to consider Canada's population density. With such a low population density, it's natural that our health care system will need more money for transport costs.
But still, the Singaporean model looks good both in terms of quality and costs.
But still, the Singaporean model looks good both in terms of quality and costs.
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Aug 15th, 2009
I don't want no stinking commie health care system. It will collapse our society.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh
1 FranceI don't want no stinking commie health care system. It will collapse our society.
<grin>
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
#17
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
The US won't adopt anything. That country is too politically divided to make any change.
I'm ok if we adopt whatever works.
I'm ok if we adopt whatever works.
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Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
Then how about the US system?The US won't adopt anything. That country is too politically divided to make any change.
I'm ok if we adopt whatever works.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
lol It doesn't work. At least not the way we want it to.Then how about the US system?
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Heyit works for the rich.lol It doesn't work. At least not the way we want it to.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Kreskin
That's what money is forToo expensive.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Well, maybe you need to talk to some of the people from those countries to know for sure. My son and his wife take in students from Germany. They are all grade 11 students and most stay from Sept. through June. If they get caught drinking or using dope, they get sent home on the next plane. That said, in June, their parents take a trip to Canada to pick up the kids. I've never seen a parent yet that isn't totally in awe of our medical system. They are totally stunned by what we pay and speak of how expensive their own costs them. Maybe being 30th isn't so bad.According to the WHO in 2000 (--), Canada's health care ranks 30th worldwide:
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
#24
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Aug 15th, 2009
Vanisle, on a world scale, no, 30th, and even 37th, isn't so bad.
#25
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
But there is always room for improvmeent, and that means learning from the successes of other countries.
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#26
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Aug 15th, 2009
First of all. Canada is the second largest country in the world in Land area. Our system works very well for most Canadians but when the population gets too thin in some areas, those areas suffer a bit.....In some areas they suffer a lot. The best solution would be to shore up those areas as best we can to solve what we can. It will probably end up that we throw a bit more money at these areas. One thing we have to realise is that Sweden's system will have the same problems that our system has in the areas we mentioned. There is no magic answer.
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Aug 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by eh1eh
I don't want no stinking commie health care system. It will collapse our society.
<grin>
Machjo!
Don't you recognize a stab at the US debate?
I'd say more but #juan has covered it rather well.
#28
Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 15th, 2009
I like some points of both the Swedish and Singapore models. We should incorporate those ideas into our our. Subsidized private care competing with public care and a nominal user fee to prevent abuse. Enforced health savings plan from the beginning.
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#29
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Aug 29th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
Right. A series of problems likely requires a series of solutions.First of all. Canada is the second largest country in the world in Land area. Our system works very well for most Canadians but when the population gets too thin in some areas, those areas suffer a bit.....In some areas they suffer a lot. The best solution would be to shore up those areas as best we can to solve what we can. It will probably end up that we throw a bit more money at these areas. One thing we have to realise is that Sweden's system will have the same problems that our system has in the areas we mentioned. There is no magic answer.
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Re: Should Canada adopt Swedish Health Care?
Aug 29th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
Personally, I'm not for the extreme capitalist idea of just abandoning people to themselves when they need help. But I'm also not for helping those who won't help themselves; it must be a two-way street. One possibility I could see would be to distribute health-care funding on a per-capita basis. If that puts rural populations at a disadvantage, then let's offer to pay their moving expenses should they wish to move to more urban centres where they might get better health-care for cheaper. After all, you can't move to the middle of nowhere and then expect everyone to pay for the transport to get services to you or you to the services.First of all. Canada is the second largest country in the world in Land area. Our system works very well for most Canadians but when the population gets too thin in some areas, those areas suffer a bit.....In some areas they suffer a lot. The best solution would be to shore up those areas as best we can to solve what we can. It will probably end up that we throw a bit more money at these areas. One thing we have to realise is that Sweden's system will have the same problems that our system has in the areas we mentioned. There is no magic answer.
Again, I'm all for helping people, but they have to be willing to meet halfway. If a person doesn't like populous cities, there would always be the option of high-density low-population cities. Population density doesn't necessarily have to equate with a large population.
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