Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

DurkaDurka

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#31

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 29th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

My guess is that the Ontario Liberal party is more rednecked than Alberta's conservatives as far as cultural openness goes.

The fact is, John Tory failed on many fronts, not just his decision to fund other religious schools.

The only fair way to address this issue is to stop funding religious schools entirely. Public fund should not be spend on segregating students by religion.

DurkaDurka

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#32

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 29th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

So.....you're saying that Ontario REQUIRES students to take French all the way through High school to graduate?

When I was in high school, you had to take it until grade 9.

gerryh

#33

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 29th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

Yes. If the school wants to teach another second language, that would have to be on top of French, not instead of French as is the case in Alberta. Owing to time and money constraints, that therefore places an unfair burden on schools in favour of French over sign languages, Aboriginal languages, or other international languages. That is not the case in Alberta.

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

When I was in high school, you had to take it until grade 9.

That's right Durka, for Ontario all that is needed for graduation is one french credit from grade 9 through 12, which means the kids take french in grade 9 and they have fullfilled the requirements for french.

In the high school that my son just graduated from in Calgary, the options he had in Senior High (grade 10-11) for language was French or Spanish, that's it. In Junior high (grade 7 to 9) it was French, that's it.

gerryh

#34

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 29th, 2009

golly gee whiz....will ya look at this....Ontario education offers the teaching of 7 different native languages compared to only 2 on Alberta.

Aboriginal Education Strategy

Native Languages

The Ontario curriculum offers studies in seven Native Languages. Language carries with it the spirit, culture, history, and philosophy of a people, and is the principal means by which culture is preserved and transmitted. Ontario’s Native Language curriculum is available to all students who want to learn a Native language and develop a better understanding of the culture of which that language forms a part.

taxslave

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#35

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 29th, 2009

I don't know much about either one but I do know that B.C. has a real problem with a militant teachers union that causes waste of money and an inability to repair the system. Would it be fair to assume that Ontario at least has the same problem?
Alberta being a little less union tolerant should have less of a problem.

gerryh

#36

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

bump

Machjo

#37

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

What exactly are we at fault for?

Voting in a government that had actively campaigned against defending openly discriminatory legislation on religious schools. We could add to that not bringing up the fact that some might not want to learn French and might want to elarn other languages instead.

Machjo

#38

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurka

The fact is, John Tory failed on many fronts, not just his decision to fund other religious schools.

The only fair way to address this issue is to stop funding religious schools entirely. Public fund should not be spend on segregating students by religion.

It's not the only fair way, but it is one fair way. All or nothing. It might require changing the BNA Act though. I'd be willing to go that route, since we'll need to go it sooner or later anyway; but I suspect many would be too scared to re-open the constituion.

Machjo

#39

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

That's right Durka, for Ontario all that is needed for graduation is one french credit from grade 9 through 12, which means the kids take french in grade 9 and they have fullfilled the requirements for french.

In the high school that my son just graduated from in Calgary, the options he had in Senior High (grade 10-11) for language was French or Spanish, that's it. In Junior high (grade 7 to 9) it was French, that's it.

That was a decision made by the school, not the Ministry of Education. In Ontario, I'll have to loot further into how many years they must learn it, but I always thought that it was the province, not the school, that made French compulsory through and through.

Machjo

#40

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Aboriginal Education Strategy

OK I missed this. Though I'd have to find out if this could be taken instead of French or only on top of French. More digging required I suppose. That still doesn't let the Ontario government off the hook for the Religious schools though.

Machjo

#41

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave

I don't know much about either one but I do know that B.C. has a real problem with a militant teachers union that causes waste of money and an inability to repair the system. Would it be fair to assume that Ontario at least has the same problem?
Alberta being a little less union tolerant should have less of a problem.

I'm not sure just how powerful the Union is in Ontario, but it certainly exists at least. A simple school voucher system could likely solve that problem.

gerryh

#42

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo

That was a decision made by the school, not the Ministry of Education. In Ontario, I'll have to loot further into how many years they must learn it, but I always thought that it was the province, not the school, that made French compulsory through and through.

Here, you don't have to, I did it for you.

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1) Compulsory Credits (22)
�� 4 credits in Religious Education (requirement of the Durham Catholic District School Board)
�� 4 credits in English (1 credit per grade)
�� 1 credit in French as a Second Language
�� 3 credits in Mathematics (at least 1 in grade 11 or 12)
�� 2 credits in Science
�� 1 credit in Canadian History
�� 1 credit in Canadian Geography
�� 1 credit in the Arts (Music, Art, Drama or Dance)
�� 1 credit in Health and Physical Education
�� ½ credit in Civics and ½ credit in Career Studies

Machjo

#43

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Quote: Originally Posted by gerryh

Here, you don't have to, I did it for you.
http://www.docchs.com/cc/pdf/Diploma...quirements.pdf
1) Compulsory Credits (22)
�� 4 credits in Religious Education (requirement of the Durham Catholic District School Board)
�� 4 credits in English (1 credit per grade)
�� 1 credit in French as a Second Language
Quote has been trimmed, See full post:

Thanks, but it shows there that French is still compulsory, though, thus taking time away from other languages, even if only a little, which the Alberta system doesn't do.

Besides, of what use would one credit in French be?

lone wolf

Free Thinker

#44

Re: Alberta Education vs Ontario Education: which is more progressive?

Jul 30th, 2009

Just enough to mark you as an outsider to local-dialect-speaking bon hommes....

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