Employment strategy for the next recession?

Machjo

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Seeing how this recession was a fiasco in how it had taken the government totally by surprise, it would seem to make sense that we have a national employment strategy ahead of any recession, ready to be implemented at a moment's notice.

When a governement is taken by surprise, it has no clear policy and so just reacts on a knee-jerk reaction, as we'd seen with the autoworkers this recession.

One possible strategy for a future recession I could see would be this:

Stage 1: Lower interest rates right down to 0% if necessary to counter deflation. No other strategy ought to be used at that stage.

Stage 2: If and when stage 1 is exhaused and we are still suffering from deflation, then print however much money is necessary to counter the deflation (no more, no less), and use it to either:

a. pay off the federal debp, thus putting money into the economy while preparing for the next boom simultaneously.

b. set up a federal global ethical mutual stock fund. This would put money into the economy while buying up stocks for the federal government, thus putting it in a perfect position to then sell the stocks when the boom returns, as a means of taking that moeny back out of the economy to fight inflation later. Since this woudl be an ethical fund, we could be sure that it would not be promoting any arms industry, casinos, tobacco, alcohol, etc. And since it would be global, it could exploit global opportunities too while still putting more Canadian dollars into the world economy.

c. provide education vouchers for the unemployed during the course of the recession so that, instead of wasting their time looking for jobs that don't exist, they could upgrade their skills instead, thus preparing for the upcoming boom when skilled worker shortages are likely to arise. Or alternatively, just make any charitable contribution to public trade and professional schools tax-deductible.

One thing all these would have in comon is that they could fight deflation while laying the groundork for the fight against inflation at the same time, thus being forward-looking rather than short-term as was the case with the auto sector bail out.

Also, whether in times of recession or inflation, I'd support eliminating minimum wage so that it doesn't risk pricing unskilled workers out fo the market unfairly. After all, a low wage is still better than nothing, and the govenrment's job should be to remove, not create, barriers to employment.

Granted, this could raise worries about abuse or exploitation of workers. One solution could be to give workers voting rights in elections for the board of directors, or allowing people to apply for social assistance even while working,with social services simply topping up their salary . This way, they can still keep working ad gaining work experience and references, etc. while still getting what they need. Or alternatively, make contributions to charities to the poor tax deductible.

Lowering income taxes in a recession culd be beneficial too by putting more spending money in people's pockets, though of course that can be done only when the federal government has no debts.
 

Machjo

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I think we should keep a hand in on foreign ownership. They look out for their own first.

I don;t think foreign ownership is such a major issue for a few reasons:

1. We own foreign property too, thus risking a backlash on their part if we tried something like that.

2. Regardless of domestic or foreign ownership, the company still has to abide by our laws on our soil.
 

lone wolf

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Have you been paying much attention to the Vale Inco politics? Do you really think Canada has either authority or balls to extradite Brazilians for what is ordinary business practice ... in Brazil?
 

Machjo

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Have you been paying much attention to the Vale Inco politics? Do you really think Canada has either authority or balls to extradite Brazilians for what is ordinary business practice ... in Brazil?

No, I haven't. Have yo got a link?
 

Machjo

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Certainly if Canadian laws are violated on Canadian soil, the government must have the courage to enforce them obviously.
 

Machjo

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So what's the issue exactly? If they're violating a law, take them to court. If they're not violating a law but are doing something we think should be illegal, then what law would you propose we introduce? If neither of the above, then what's the issue?
 

lone wolf

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The issue is we should be looking out for our people too. Xstrada (of Switzerland) and Vale (CVRD of Brazil) certainly do not have the interests of Canadians in mind. Clements has aleady demonstrated Canada's stance on it: It's business and profit. The letter of the law that applies in Canada is not necessarily the same letter that applies in Brazil or Switzerland. Be realistic.... How does one get a foreign company into a Canadian Court? We have to develop some robber-baron ways to deal with them ... or nationalize in time of need.
 

Machjo

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Any suggestion for any specific policy we could impement to ensure they comply with Canadian law on Canadian soil?
 

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For one, raw materials harvested in Canada should be processed in Canada.

For another, unharvested resources on or under Canadian soil should remain in Canadian ownership.
 

Machjo

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For one, raw materials harvested in Canada should be processed in Canada.

For another, unharvested resources on or under Canadian soil should remain in Canadian ownership.
i could see a simple solution to that. Place a minimum price at which government is allowed to sell resources. This would mean that it would sell fewer resources and thus raise their market value. That would make Canadian resources unattractive abroad, and so reduce exports. Hoever, Canadian companies likewise could decide to import raw resources and process them here. Such a strategy woudl have both pros and cons.

However, I wouldn't agree with some kind of law banning the export of raw resources, as all that would do is risk retaliation from other countries with resources that we may need too. Add to that that, especially seeing that labour shortages and inflation are likely around the corner, the last thing we'd need are policies that could potentially raise market prices for things just as inflation is threatening to rear its ugly head.
 

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i could see a simple solution to that. Place a minimum price at which government is allowed to sell resources. This would mean that it would sell fewer resources and thus raise their market value. That would make Canadian resources unattractive abroad, and so reduce exports. Hoever, Canadian companies likewise could decide to import raw resources and process them here. Such a strategy woudl have both pros and cons.

However, I wouldn't agree with some kind of law banning the export of raw resources, as all that would do is risk retaliation from other countries with resources that we may need too. Add to that that, especially seeing that labour shortages and inflation are likely around the corner, the last thing we'd need are policies that could potentially raise market prices for things just as inflation is threatening to rear its ugly head.
We are having this problem with raw log exports. The dippers are against it claiming it exports jobs for mill workers. While I agree to a certain extent and believe we are getting short term gain for long term pain the fact remains that many of our mills are inefficient and labour costs are higher. As are environmental costs. So there would be even less loggers working than now. And if you follow their argument we should not export coal, iron ore, oil, potash or much of anything else.
 

darkbeaver

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It's a bit overly optimistic to be planning for the next recession isn 't it? In fifteen or twenty years when we can see a very faint light at the end of the tunnel maybe then it will be a good time to remember how we got where we are now.
 

DurkaDurka

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It's a bit overly optimistic to be planning for the next recession isn 't it? In fifteen or twenty years when we can see a very faint light at the end of the tunnel maybe then it will be a good time to remember how we got where we are now.

Has the recession affected you in any tangible way, DB?
 

petros

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For one, raw materials harvested in Canada should be processed in Canada.

For another, unharvested resources on or under Canadian soil should remain in Canadian ownership.
We get screwed royally. 85% of Canadian business is foreign owned with the profits leaving Canada. Royalties are some of the lowest in the world and there is a mere 2% reinvested in Canada in R&D.

That is absolutely pathetic.
 

DurkaDurka

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There is a lot of people down east where I life not having a very productive summer Durka. Lots of layoffs, very little construction work, depressed fishery prices etc, yes it's hurting pretty bad. The weather has been bad for farming as well.

Sorry to hear that. DB. When the economy tanks the smaller provinces seem to take a real bruising.