#1Jun 9th, 2009
It's A Great Day For the West
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#2
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 9th, 2009
Perhaps. It happened in BC, but then Manitoba is on Doer's 3rd time around.
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#3
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 9th, 2009
The west can handle an NDP government much easier because of the large resource base.
I've got relatives on the mother's side that live just outside of Truro. They won't be staying in Nova Scotia and if you're going to pack up and move, the west is your best bet.
I've got relatives on the mother's side that live just outside of Truro. They won't be staying in Nova Scotia and if you're going to pack up and move, the west is your best bet.
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#4
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Jun 10th, 2009
BC didn't handle the last NDP gov't very well. People left the province by the dozen /day. Businesses, also. The Dippers bloody near killed the mining industry and were working on the forest industry. They made the big off to the workers of forestry and mining to train them in new jobs but, those workers that stayed were shuttled out of $300/day jobs and trained for service work for little better than min wage. We didn't handle that well at all.
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#5
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
I'm not surprised. Most don't but, because of Nova Scotia's limited economic diversity and power, it will have far less ability to recover.We didn't handle that well at all.
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#6
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
Yeah, I don't think an N.D.P. Gov't will do much for the Maritimes, just turn them into an official welfare state.The province of Nova Scotia has elected an NDP government. It won't be long till the exodus begins.
#7
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Jun 10th, 2009
No we wouldn't want to elect people who represent the interests of the average person. We want governments which kowtow to corporations and wealthy people. We don't want these organizations and individuals to pay their fair share of taxes. We'd much rather have the tax burden shifted to the poor and middle class. As someone in the middle class, I demand to pay more taxes and increased government deficits so that corporate executives can fly in private jets and get huge bonuses for managing the economy so well. No I don't want universal medicare, old age security, public education and all those other socialist evils...
After all Jesus was a capitalist. How much was he selling the bread and fish for when he fed the multitudes? Turning water into wine was a great trick. He must have gotten rich off that...
Those evil socialists...
After all Jesus was a capitalist. How much was he selling the bread and fish for when he fed the multitudes? Turning water into wine was a great trick. He must have gotten rich off that...
Those evil socialists...
Last edited by earth_as_one; Jun 10th, 2009 at 08:48 AM..
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#8
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 10th, 2009
Wow!!!
I didn't realize that there were still people out there that still believed the NDP pie-in-the-sky propaganda. One really has to wonder why any NDP government would ever be voted out of office.
I didn't realize that there were still people out there that still believed the NDP pie-in-the-sky propaganda. One really has to wonder why any NDP government would ever be voted out of office.
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#9
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 10th, 2009
I personally like seeing a change of party in control once in a while, unlike Alberta which is basically a one-party system.
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#10
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Jun 10th, 2009
Alberta is a one party system because there is only one party. The majority of people I know want a change but there just isn't a credible alternative. As it stands now, voting in the Alberta Liberals or NDP to get rid of the Conservatives would be akin to shooting yourself in the head to get rid of a toothache.
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#11
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
Who's fault is that? When one party is continuously elected into power, it erodes the ability of the parties to put forward good candidates. It's rather circular.Alberta is a one party system because there is only one party. The majority of people I know want a change but there just isn't a credible alternative. As it stands now, voting in the Alberta Liberals or NDP to get rid of the Conservatives would be akin to shooting yourself in the head to get rid of a toothache.
While not an NDP fan, they are (no the whole) no worse than any other party out there. Heck - they got over 40% of the popular vote in NB - something tells me that there won't be an exodus - they got what they wanted...
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#12
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Actually, in BC they were pretty evil. Every time they got into power they DOUBLED the provincial debt, the last one caused businesses to leave, people left the province, they ignored the people on welfare, hatched a scam or a scandal a month, boosted the size of gov't raised taxes, even the unions were getting pissed at them.No we wouldn't want to elect people who represent the interests of the average person. We want governments which kowtow to corporations and wealthy people. We don't want these organizations and individuals to pay their fair share of taxes. We'd much rather have the tax burden shifted to the poor and middle class. As someone in the middle class, I demand to pay more taxes and increased government deficits so that corporate executives can fly in private jets and get huge bonuses for managing the economy so well. No I don't want universal medicare, old age security, public education and all those other socialist evils...
After all Jesus was a capitalist. How much was he selling the bread and fish for when he fed the multitudes? Turning water into wine was a great trick. He must have gotten rich off that...
Those evil socialists...
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#13
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I'm not surprised by your mentaly challenged inlaws Cannuck, of course wee will assist them with bus tickets to any destination in Canada outside the soon to be closed borders of the Socialist East Scotian Free Left republic.The west can handle an NDP government much easier because of the large resource base.
I've got relatives on the mother's side that live just outside of Truro. They won't be staying in Nova Scotia and if you're going to pack up and move, the west is your best bet.
Last edited by darkbeaver; Jun 10th, 2009 at 06:28 PM..
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Idiots come in all colors. George Bush Jr. was also incompetent, pissed off a lot of people and fiscally irresponsible. Does that mean Bush was a socialist?Actually, in BC they were pretty evil. Every time they got into power they DOUBLED the provincial debt, the last one caused businesses to leave, people left the province, they ignored the people on welfare, hatched a scam or a scandal a month, boosted the size of gov't raised taxes, even the unions were getting pissed at them.
Tommy Douglas was loved by millions, a competent leader and fiscally responsible. Does that mean he was a capitalist?
Socialism doesn't mean spending beyond your means and pissing everyone off. That's anti-socialist mythology which help elected the people responsible for our current problems.
Unrestrained capitalist greed and self interest is why we have huge deficits. Capitalists stole billions and as a result middle class taxpayers will have to pay trillions. Are you in favor of this extreme form of capitalism?
Socialism means managing resources for the benefit of everyone, including the wealthy elite. Wealth must be created before it can be managed. A socialist society encourages innovation and rewards competence for the benefit of society as well as the individual.
Don't confuse socialism with communism or totalitarianism. A class structure exists in a socialist society, its just not as extreme as in a capitalist society with greater social mobility.
For example, a socialist system has a free education system. Access to post secondary education is based on merit, rather than wealth. As a result we end up with more competent doctors, engineers, lawyers... many of whom come from humble beginnings.
A capitalist education system restricts post secondary education to those who can afford it. As a result we end up with professionals who come from wealthy families and intelligent people from poor families take menial jobs in order to survive.
Socialist medicare means that everyone gets healthcare and as a result many sick people become well and return back to their productive lives.
Capitalist medicare means that if you get sick, you loose your job. Only the wealthy can afford health care. As a result, poor people who can't afford health care remain sick and unproductive. They quickly spiral downward into extreme poverty and increased disease.
In a socialist society, the poor can't live below a minimum standard. As a result, wealthy people are less likey to be attacked by desperate people who would knife them for pocket change.
I'm surprised most people in the middle class haven't figured out that right wing capitalism isn't in their best interest. It just means everyone but the wealthy elite becomes poor and the wealthy remain permanently wealthy. Eventually a purely capitalist society collapses. People with nothing to loose riot, the world turns upside down, wealthy people get their heads chopped off and everyone becomes equally poor. Its a recurring theme throughout human history.
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I don't see anything to be frightened of frankly. Your relatives would need rosy glasses indeed to think that the PC's were doing such a fine job, and that the NDP could mess it up that bad. It was the PC's who raised taxes, and the NDP who opposed them, and ran on that.The west can handle an NDP government much easier because of the large resource base.
I've got relatives on the mother's side that live just outside of Truro. They won't be staying in Nova Scotia and if you're going to pack up and move, the west is your best bet.
Most people around here are dyed in the wool when it comes to party politics. I'm not surprised that some would be taken in by the foolish propaganda.
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#16
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Jun 10th, 2009
Incompetent? Lemme see. We had Dave Barrett first. Increased gov't till they had to buy buildings to hold all the employees. Up went the provincial debt and taxes, down went income. People left. Spent money like it was Monopoly money. Brought in monopolized vehicle insurance. Everyone thought paying less for insurance was cool till they found out coverages decreased, too. Boot. Out he went.
The next guy was Mike Harcourt. Up went the debt, down went income, up went taxes. Spent taxpayer money like it grew on trees. Spent it on things like a marsh for the birds and critters, which was nice, but WE paid over 2 million for a piece of land that was assessed at 800k. Along came Bingogate, which was gov't mishandling of charity money. Resigned in disgrace. In comes Glen Clark. This guy put the previous two to shame. Again, provincial debt doubled. Tried to tax the piss out of companies, many left. People left. Casino licensing scandal. Fast cat ferries. etc. Resigned in disgrace. That's off the top of my head.
The next guy was Mike Harcourt. Up went the debt, down went income, up went taxes. Spent taxpayer money like it grew on trees. Spent it on things like a marsh for the birds and critters, which was nice, but WE paid over 2 million for a piece of land that was assessed at 800k. Along came Bingogate, which was gov't mishandling of charity money. Resigned in disgrace. In comes Glen Clark. This guy put the previous two to shame. Again, provincial debt doubled. Tried to tax the piss out of companies, many left. People left. Casino licensing scandal. Fast cat ferries. etc. Resigned in disgrace. That's off the top of my head.
#17
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Jun 10th, 2009
Pardon my ignorance here, but when we compare provincial and federal parties, they can sometimes be quite different from one another in their range of policies. I know the NDP is an exception administratively speaking in that while, for instance, the Green Party of Ontario and the Green Party of Canada are two separate parties, just as are the Ontario and Federal Liberals, etc., the NDP is in fact one party with provincial branches.
However, I'm not sure how decentralized it is. For example, is it possible for one provincial branch of the NDP to be moderate left while another provincial branch can be more extreme left? I don't know the answer to this, but maybe someone could fill me in on this?
However, I'm not sure how decentralized it is. For example, is it possible for one provincial branch of the NDP to be moderate left while another provincial branch can be more extreme left? I don't know the answer to this, but maybe someone could fill me in on this?
#18
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by L Gilbert
Are you saying the above are examples of socialism or incompetence?Incompetent? Lemme see. We had Dave Barrett first. Increased gov't till they had to buy buildings to hold all the employees. Up went the provincial debt and taxes, down went income. People left. Spent money like it was Monopoly money. Brought in monopolized vehicle insurance. Everyone thought paying less for insurance was cool till they found out coverages decreased, too. Boot. Out he went.
The next guy was Mike Harcourt. Up went the debt, down went income, up went taxes. Spent taxpayer money like it grew on trees. Spent it on things like a marsh for the birds and critters, which was nice, but WE paid over 2 million for a piece of land that was assessed at 800k. Along came Bingogate, which was gov't mishandling of charity money. Resigned in disgrace. In comes Glen Clark. This guy put the previous two to shame. Again, provincial debt doubled. Tried to tax the piss out of companies, many left. People left. Casino licensing scandal. Fast cat ferries. etc. Resigned in disgrace. That's off the top of my head.
Like I said, idiots come in all colors.
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#19
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Jun 10th, 2009
I moved to Winnipeg two years ago.
In all fairness, the health care under the NDP here is FAR, FAR better than what I left behind in Ontario.
In all fairness, the health care under the NDP here is FAR, FAR better than what I left behind in Ontario.
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
What happened to your car insurance?I moved to Winnipeg two years ago.
In all fairness, the health care under the NDP here is FAR, FAR better than what I left behind in Ontario.
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#21
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Jun 10th, 2009
"What happened to your car insurance?"
Actually Government car insurance is not so bad if you are a good driver. Which I am.
Actually Government car insurance is not so bad if you are a good driver. Which I am.
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
And how would you compare the Manitoba NDP now and the one in Ontario when you were in Ontario?I moved to Winnipeg two years ago.
In all fairness, the health care under the NDP here is FAR, FAR better than what I left behind in Ontario.
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#23
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Jun 10th, 2009
"And how would you compare the Manitoba NDP now and the one in Ontario when you were in Ontario?"
In Ontario I had to deal with Bob Rea (the no more NDP turn coat) and all his acolytes. Jack Layton. Olivia Chow. These two lived in subsidised housing at their combined government provided salaries. Hypocrisy galore. Then there was the Africa lover Stephen Lewis, along with his papa, David, who lovingly supported the original destroyer of the notion that "the twentieth century belongs to Canada", Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
Gary Doer is an NDP'er, that I as a lifelong Conservative could vote for.
In Ontario I had to deal with Bob Rea (the no more NDP turn coat) and all his acolytes. Jack Layton. Olivia Chow. These two lived in subsidised housing at their combined government provided salaries. Hypocrisy galore. Then there was the Africa lover Stephen Lewis, along with his papa, David, who lovingly supported the original destroyer of the notion that "the twentieth century belongs to Canada", Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
Gary Doer is an NDP'er, that I as a lifelong Conservative could vote for.
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#24
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
West is your best bet..... East of NS tends to flood....The west can handle an NDP government much easier because of the large resource base.
I've got relatives on the mother's side that live just outside of Truro. They won't be staying in Nova Scotia and if you're going to pack up and move, the west is your best bet.
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by earth_as_one
Incompetence. The Dippers are batting 0 for 1000. What're the odds that they'd blow it every time they get in? Even the loser ex-mayor of Vancouver, Campbull, isn't that much of a loser.Are you saying the above are examples of socialism or incompetence?
Like I said, idiots come in all colors.
It isn't a tendency with the Dippers here, it's a habit.
Last edited by L Gilbert; Jun 10th, 2009 at 11:09 PM..
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#26
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
Over there, perhaps. Here if something happens to your vehicle and there's no way it could be your fault, it's your fault. Their decisions here are arbitrary. So maybe gov't vehicle insurance is ok over there, but it isn't a general application."What happened to your car insurance?"
Actually Government car insurance is not so bad if you are a good driver. Which I am.
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#27
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Jun 10th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
YEp, my driving record is good and I have no problem with it."What happened to your car insurance?"
Actually Government car insurance is not so bad if you are a good driver. Which I am.
#28
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Jun 10th, 2009
So waht is it? The Manitoba Dippers are just more rational than some of their other provincial and federal counterparts? Wouldn't surprise me. After all, a party comprises its members, and sinse it comprises different members in different jurisdictions and at different times, it's only natural that there could be wide variations across jurisdictions over time.
#29
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Jun 10th, 2009
My car insurance dropped by 50% when I moved to Manitoba. It doubled when I came back to Ontario.
#30
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Jun 10th, 2009
LG, not a single one of your complaints is related to socialism. They are related to incompetence. I've never lived in BC so I'll have to rely on your word about NDP problems in BC. Maybe something is wrong with the BC NDP party.
Tell me what you favor:
Publically funded education or private schools?
Universal medicare or private health care?
Do you believe in Old Age Security and the Canadian Pension Plan?
Do you believe in welfare for single moms and other people who can't work?
Do you believe going to university and college should be based on merit or ability to pay?
Manitoba's no fault government auto insurance is a socialist program.
Most people are socialists they just won't vote that way because they don't know they support socialist programs.
Tell me what you favor:
Publically funded education or private schools?
Universal medicare or private health care?
Do you believe in Old Age Security and the Canadian Pension Plan?
Do you believe in welfare for single moms and other people who can't work?
Do you believe going to university and college should be based on merit or ability to pay?
Manitoba's no fault government auto insurance is a socialist program.
Most people are socialists they just won't vote that way because they don't know they support socialist programs.
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