#181
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
From what I can see, NL received $1,171,000,000 from Ottawa in 2008/2009.
It's A Great Day For the West
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#182
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
One of the things that annoys me most about Maritime whine is that there are ways to help themselves but they can't or won't look at them. Instead, they complain about what the rest of the Country is or isn't doing.
A perfect example would be the size of government. For just over 2.3 million people, they have 181 legislative members and four bureaucracies with close to 100,000 public servants, many providing duplicate services.
If Maritimers really wanted to help themselves, they could start by amalgamating the four provinces into one and cut the cost of managing their affairs by a significant amount. Of course, that'll never happen. There are far too many feeble excuses why it can't and it's easier to whine than it is to git er done.
A perfect example would be the size of government. For just over 2.3 million people, they have 181 legislative members and four bureaucracies with close to 100,000 public servants, many providing duplicate services.
If Maritimers really wanted to help themselves, they could start by amalgamating the four provinces into one and cut the cost of managing their affairs by a significant amount. Of course, that'll never happen. There are far too many feeble excuses why it can't and it's easier to whine than it is to git er done.
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#183
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
sounds like Alberta! (well, not the "won't help themselves" - but the "complaining part"...)One of the things that annoys me most about Maritime whine is that there are ways to help themselves but they can't or won't look at them. Instead, they complain about what the rest of the Country is or isn't doing.
Well - to be honest - sounds like EVERY part of the country.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I completely agree with this. A perfect example would be the size of government. For just over 2.3 million people, they have 181 legislative members and four bureaucracies with close to 100,000 public servants, many providing duplicate services.
If Maritimers really wanted to help themselves, they could start by amalgamating the four provinces into one and cut the cost of managing their affairs by a significant amount. Of course, that'll never happen. There are far too many feeble excuses why it can't and it's easier to whine than it is to git er done.
However, you could also throw in Saskatchewan and Manitoba as the same - population of 2.2 Million (or so) with combined MLAs of 115...but that would never happen either.
#184
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
Cannuck, your obvious disregard and hatred for eastern Canada is smelling up the air around here. Have you been reading Harpers manifesto again? Hell no we won't be giving up any jobs in the maritimes. They're scarcer than hens teeth as it is.
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#185
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by pegger
Yup, it should. The one difference would be the size. The distance between Uranium city and Winnipeg would be problematic. Heck even the folks in Northern Ontario have been complaining about the distances to TO and there have been rumblings about splitting and joining Manitoba.However, you could also throw in Saskatchewan and Manitoba as the same - population of 2.2 Million (or so) with combined MLAs of 115...but that would never happen either.
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"Secession movement
More recently, however, such concerns have resurfaced as some residents of the city of -- have called for the city or the wider region to secede from Ontario and join --.-- A few residents throughout the region continue to suggest splitting all or part of the region into a separate province. The latter movement, known as the Northern Ontario Secession Movement, has begun to attract attention and support; most notably by the mayors of Kenora and Fort Frances. The crisis in the Ontario forest industry, and the perceived inaction by the provincial government, has in particular spurred support for the idea of secession. In particular, many residents feel that the industrial energy rate is too high to allow the industry to remain competitive. These concerns have been given particular voice by Howard Hampton. Additionally, media coverage, though rarely in favour of secession, has begun to highlight the problems and frustrations faced by the north. Most recently, the --, a major daily, ran a front page story on the issue.
Similarly, Sudbury's -- community newspaper has published a number of editorials in recent years calling on the province to create a new level of supraregional government that would give the Northern Ontario region significantly more autonomy over its own affairs within the province.--
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#186
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by mt_pockets1000
I take it you have nothing of relevance to post. Kinda proves my point. Thanks.Cannuck, your obvious disregard and hatred for eastern Canada is smelling up the air around here.
#187
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
Better watch out. The maritime companies are coming to getcha. Exodus my a$$.
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#188
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
I'm familiar with Fortis. They serve this area....horribly incompetent btw. They are so bad, I long for the days of Alberta Power.
#189
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
I take it you have nothing of relevance to post. Kinda proves my point. Thanks.
You're denying your hatred for the east wingnut? That's right wing nut.
#190
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
We already control Maple Leaf Foods and McCain Foods.
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#191
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
Maple Leaf Foods...they're almost up to Fortis on the competency scale. Remember this...
Listeria recall costs Maple Leaf Foods millions
Listeria recall costs Maple Leaf Foods millions
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#192
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by mt_pockets1000
I love the east. Travel extensively, have family there, owned an apple orchard in Burton, New Brunswick and would love to retire there someday...if they can get their collective heads out of their arses.
You're denying your hatred for the east wingnut?
#193
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
With an attitude like that, feel free to stay away. We don't need ignorant twits, we export ours to Alberta.
#194
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
The OP on this thread is an obvious attempt to disrupt and divide. Just like Harper's agenda.
Has anyone from the east noticed a large exodus to the west since the NDP gained power in Nova Scotia? I don't think so. Newfoundland has turned the tide and witnessed an influx of people over the past year. Mainly due to the downturn in the Alberta oil patch. Unless companies learn to pay the workers comparable wages, we will see those people leave again when things pick up. But it won't be because the NDP are in power. They will leave once again to feed their families and make a decent life for themselves.
Has anyone from the east noticed a large exodus to the west since the NDP gained power in Nova Scotia? I don't think so. Newfoundland has turned the tide and witnessed an influx of people over the past year. Mainly due to the downturn in the Alberta oil patch. Unless companies learn to pay the workers comparable wages, we will see those people leave again when things pick up. But it won't be because the NDP are in power. They will leave once again to feed their families and make a decent life for themselves.
#195
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
I doubt that any people will leave NS due to the NDP - they did elect a bunch of NDP members federally.
If ValeInco would ever get off their butts, there would be more employment for NL'ers. Hopefully, not too much of the work will be done in BC>
If ValeInco would ever get off their butts, there would be more employment for NL'ers. Hopefully, not too much of the work will be done in BC>
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#196
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Cannuck
The difference between Ontario and Sask/Man. is Sask/Man is practically empty. Heck Manitoba has a pop of 1.2 million - with 800 K living in Winnipeg. Manitoba is essentially empty wilderness. At least Saskatchewan is spread out more evenly... Also, the primary industries across the 2 provinces are resource based.Yup, it should. The one difference would be the size. The distance between Uranium city and Winnipeg would be problematic. Heck even the folks in Northern Ontario have been complaining about the distances to TO and there have been rumblings about splitting and joining Manitoba.
The Ontario issue is more centered around the fact that Southern Ontario and Toronto are urban/manufacturing and Northern Ontario is wilderness/rural/resource based. It's more than just distance dividing the two.
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#197Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
Cannuk, I see you've been reading the AIMS website: --
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I don't totally disagree with this idea. It would stop a lot of inter provincial bickering around here. Although, I am not yet totally convinced that it would be major benefit, I am willing to explore the idea. Remember what I've said about our aging population and trying to fight governments that cater to that demographic. The trouble is convincing a majority of the people that we've been doing a lot of things the wrong way all along. With that said, you are correct that there are many things we could do.Merging Atlantic Canada a tax boon?
Telegraph Journal • By Joshua Errett • Dated: 30/3/07
Municipal amalgamations, for instance, have never realized huge savings," Cirtwill says. "And the vast majority of the staff are on the ground delivering services. You're still going to see education branch officers, hospital and health board staff. The only thing you'll get rid of is three sets of ministers, three sets of ministerial staff, and maybe some policy branches. "The core cost-drivers are still going to be there."
#198
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
-- tells me work has already begun on the hydromet plant in Long Harbour. What's the deal with BC? Is some of the work happening there? I'm sure some of the engineering work will be done off the island.
As for --, we're not too concerned at the moment.
As for --, we're not too concerned at the moment.
#199
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by pegger
It's about high time people bought maps and started calling it Western Ontario to gain a warmer not so bleak image of the region that feeds the industry in Eastern Ontario.Northern Ontario....
#200
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by mt_pockets1000
I think about the only work being done right now is site prep (bulldozing etc).-- tells me work has already begun on the hydromet plant in Long Harbour. What's the deal with BC? Is some of the work happening there? I'm sure some of the engineering work will be done off the island.
As for --, we're not too concerned at the moment.
Fluor is doing the engineering work out of their office in BC.
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#201
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by petros
Southern Ontario. Get a map. .... Eastern Ontario.
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#202
It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by petros
It's about high time people bought maps and started calling it Western Ontario to gain a warmer not so bleak image of the region that feeds the industry in Eastern Ontario.
Quote: Originally Posted by pegger
Southern Ontario. Get a map.
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#203
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
It was easier to understand when it was flat.
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#204
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009
It looks flat to me. *Feels monitor screen* . Feels flat, too.
#205
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 23rd, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
I like a good potato with my fish.We already control Maple Leaf Foods and McCain Foods.
#206
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 24th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by TenPenny
They're a strong engineering firm. They'll do a good job on the plant.I think about the only work being done right now is site prep (bulldozing etc).
Fluor is doing the engineering work out of their office in BC.
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#207
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 24th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by DichotoMe
Nope. I thought it up all my myself.Cannuk, I see you've been reading the AIMS website: --
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#208
Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 24th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
<------west east----->
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#210Re: It's A Great Day For the West
Jun 25th, 2009
You were saying about NS...? I thought of this thread and got a kick out of this:
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Alberta least attractive province for energy investment:
It's behind Man. and Sask., and even trails N.S. and N.L.
June 24, 2009 • CBC News
A new Fraser Institute report says Alberta is now the least attractive province in Canada when it comes to oil and gas investment.
The right-wing think tank, based in Calgary, released the report on Wednesday morning.
Research for the report included surveying petroleum executives and managers from around the world.
According to the institute's rankings, Alberta has dropped below Manitoba and Saskatchewan, and even trails Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.
The institute blames Alberta's poor showing on the industry's dissatisfaction with changes to the province's royalty regime, a lack of consultation and what it calls "a growing anti-energy bias."
The Alberta government is set to announce new drilling incentives for natural gas producers on Thursday morning.
Premier Ed Stelmach believes they're needed partly because of a threat to the province's biggest market, the United States. Stelmach said producers in Texas and Louisiana are poised to ramp up shale gas extraction, something that he worries could bump Alberta gas out of the picture.
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