#1Mar 14th, 2009
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
What could buy your vote?
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
#2
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009
Here's where I'd stand on these questions:
I could vote for a right-wing party that was non-nationalistic, non-militaristic, and non-imperialistic. The Libertarian Party comes to mind as a party I could at least consider in that it opposes sending troops abroad except strictly to defend Canadian territorial sovereignty.
I could vote for a left-wing party, even if it should increase my taxes, as long as it increases the tax-deductible portion of my charitable contributions. I might also consider a left-wing party if it focusses on redistributing wealth not through taxes, but rather through, for example, simply giving workers a vote on the board of directors in companies. In other words, a party that uses mechanisms other than taxation to try to redistribute wealth. Maybe the Green Party comes closest to that ideal?
Ironically enough, I find myself hard-pressed to find reasons to vote for a centrist party. I can think of only one such party, and that's the Liberal Party. i find that one to be lacking in any new ideas, any originality. It's merely a maintainer of the status quo. But I suppose if the Liberals or some other centrist party could combine the best of the left and the right, it's something I might consider.
So what could make you cross-vote so to speak?
I could vote for a right-wing party that was non-nationalistic, non-militaristic, and non-imperialistic. The Libertarian Party comes to mind as a party I could at least consider in that it opposes sending troops abroad except strictly to defend Canadian territorial sovereignty.
I could vote for a left-wing party, even if it should increase my taxes, as long as it increases the tax-deductible portion of my charitable contributions. I might also consider a left-wing party if it focusses on redistributing wealth not through taxes, but rather through, for example, simply giving workers a vote on the board of directors in companies. In other words, a party that uses mechanisms other than taxation to try to redistribute wealth. Maybe the Green Party comes closest to that ideal?
Ironically enough, I find myself hard-pressed to find reasons to vote for a centrist party. I can think of only one such party, and that's the Liberal Party. i find that one to be lacking in any new ideas, any originality. It's merely a maintainer of the status quo. But I suppose if the Liberals or some other centrist party could combine the best of the left and the right, it's something I might consider.
So what could make you cross-vote so to speak?
#3
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009
Another thing that could get me voting left would be tax-shifting to resources. At least that way it's more user pay. Any direct personal tax should be charity-deductible. After all, if the left's only concern is with helping the poor, does it matter whether it's the government or a charity that does it?
#4
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Our votes are constantly being BOUGHT.. If you're a left-winger, what could a right-wing party offer that would make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
You either sell your vote for a tax break, more health care, tax protection, smaller government, a moral belief or any other slick campaign promise out there..
Free Thinker
#5
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009
How about two wings so I can fly to the House of Commons flagpole and poop on all of them?
No Party Affiliation
#6
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009
I vote my conscience, not for party.
#7
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 14th, 2009
i dont care who does it, but a party that wants to provide a little bit more funding for the MNR so they can better manage our natural resources
#8
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
If the provincial Liberals advocated taking Alberta out of Confederation I might consider it.If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
#9
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by grainfedpraiboy
If the provincial Liberals advocated taking Alberta out of Confederation I might consider it.
...what would happen to your property values then G fed?There goes the neighbourhood...G ed's in that house!
#10
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by SirFrancis2004
I disagree with the premise that our votes are being bought.Our votes are constantly being BOUGHT..
You either sell your vote for a tax break, more health care, tax protection, smaller government, a moral belief or any other slick campaign promise out there..
Maybe its just semantics but I see that money being ours in the first place.
So they are not buying our vote, just trying to persuade us by taking less of our own money away from us.
Trex
No Party Affiliation
#11
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
Four things- money, integrity, intelligence, concern for the good of the general population.If you're a left-winger, what could a right-wing party offer that would make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
Free Thinker
#12
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by JLM
Next floor up. This one is lie, cheat, steal and deny....Four things- money, integrity, intelligence, concern for the good of the general population.
No Party Affiliation
#13
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolf
That's what I was hoping we could get away from, but what's the chance, we have 308 politicians all trying to get at the same trough. Must be like a Boxing Day sale at A&B Sound, except it goes on for 365 days.Next floor up. This one is lie, cheat, steal and deny....
Free Thinker
#14
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009
No one could buy this prairie boy's vote. Once I am standing at the ballot box, no one dictates my vote. Mind you, I would take a million or so to praise your platform until that moment.
#15
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by CDNBear
I read several years ago that Canadian interest rates for consumers throughout the 80s and 90s were 2% higher then the global average because of the uncertainty associated with Quebec and one can only imagine how many billions Canadians have paid extra on their mortgages, car loans plus the extra the Fed has paid to support the debt.......the one incurred largely to appease Quebec.
Freed of the shackles of the ROC - I imagine my real estate investments would rapidly rebound and increase in value.
But don't worry, when the time comes I'll help you get across the wire to freedom
Free Thinker
#16
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by grainfedpraiboy
Ahh, a Western separatist. My friend, I am one of the ones you are going to have to shoot.I read several years ago that Canadian interest rates for consumers throughout the 80s and 90s were 2% higher then the global average because of the uncertainty associated with Quebec and one can only imagine how many billions Canadians have paid extra on their mortgages, car loans plus the extra the Fed has paid to support the debt.......the one incurred largely to appease Quebec.
Freed of the shackles of the ROC - I imagine my real estate investments would rapidly rebound and increase in value.
But don't worry, when the time comes I'll help you get across the wire to freedom
#17
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Spade
I'm more of a Liberal separatist but I could live with your proposal if you really feel violence is the answer to preventing any group from self determining their fate.Ahh, a Western separatist. My friend, I am one of the ones you are going to have to shoot.
No Party Affiliation
#18
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009
A written and signed guarantee with full accountability that the gov't would trim the fat off itself and increase efficiency by 3 or 4 times, otherwise I vote indie or green.
BTW, if the West finally had the brains and the balls to tell Ottawa it's fired for incompetence, I would defend the west.
BTW, if the West finally had the brains and the balls to tell Ottawa it's fired for incompetence, I would defend the west.
Free Thinker
#19
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
They could offer to get rid of the thousands upon thousands(and more every year!) of crows that are infesting our city. I would vote for them for sure if they did that!If you're a left-winger, what could a right-wing party offer that would make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
Free Thinker
#20
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Machjo
If you're a left-winger, what could a right-wing party offer that would make you at least consider voting for it?If you're a left-winger, what could a right-wing party offer that would make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a right-winger, what could a left-wing party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
If you're a centrist, coudl could a non-centrist party do to make you at least consider voting for it?
credibilty and honesty. That's probably why I haven't voted for Harper
Free Thinker
#21
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by grainfedpraiboy
But don't worry, when the time comes I'll help you get across the wire to freedom I read several years ago that Canadian interest rates for consumers throughout the 80s and 90s were 2% higher then the global average because of the uncertainty associated with Quebec and one can only imagine how many billions Canadians have paid extra on their mortgages, car loans plus the extra the Fed has paid to support the debt.......the one incurred largely to appease Quebec.
Freed of the shackles of the ROC - I imagine my real estate investments would rapidly rebound and increase in value.
But don't worry, when the time comes I'll help you get across the wire to freedom
To end up being trampled by the hordes fleeing Alberta to BC
#22
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by Tyr
Only if "hordes" translates to homosexuals, liberals and welfare bums.But don't worry, when the time comes I'll help you get across the wire to freedom
To end up being trampled by the hordes fleeing Alberta to BC
Free Thinker
#23
What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by grainfedpraiboy
Only if "hordes" translates to homosexuals, liberals and welfare bums.
The West can get what it wants (equality and fair treatment)
without separation. BTW...welcome aboard grainfedpraiboy.
A Western BlocK Party with the mandate of non-separation
called the "Voice of the West" Party. I'll put a link to the
Thread on your wall so I don't completely highjack this
Thread. I'm a Canadian first, and proud of it too.
Conservative
#24
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009
Somebody here said that 'our votes are constanly bought'.
And nothing illustrates our collective stupidity better than the fact that we either don't realize or choose to ignore the fact that we are bribed with, and our votes are bought by our own money, previously confiscated by the bastards we were foolish enough to put them in that powerful position in the first place.
So, promises mean nothing to me.
However, I could NEVER cast my vote for a party that endorses the butchering of innocent lives in the womb.
I would never vote for a party that over-taxes and robs the achievers and gives the hard-earned fruits of our labour to the free-loaders.
I would never cast my vote for a party that gives advantage to the undeserving, just because the colour of their skin, their gender or their professed sexual preferences in the name of the phoney credo of "levelling the playing field".
I would never vote for a party whose members object to the display of a Nativity scene in the Christmas season in our country which was founded on judeo-Christian principles and is stil predominantly a Christian country.
I would never vote for a party whose adherents flock to Cuba for vacationing, while ignoring the fact that the poor sucker who brings them their Cuba-libre is a virtual slave and earns 25 Canadian cents a day.
Or the party whose adherents endorsed Saddam Hussain, glorified Lenin, Marx and Stalin and whose adherents still endorse Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and the idiot little brother of big Fidel.
I could go on but by now it must be fairly obvious that I would never vote for the party of Trudeau, Chretien and Ignatieff.
Or (Heaven forbid) Stephen and/or David Lewis, Ed Broadbent or Jack Layton.
And nothing illustrates our collective stupidity better than the fact that we either don't realize or choose to ignore the fact that we are bribed with, and our votes are bought by our own money, previously confiscated by the bastards we were foolish enough to put them in that powerful position in the first place.
So, promises mean nothing to me.
However, I could NEVER cast my vote for a party that endorses the butchering of innocent lives in the womb.
I would never vote for a party that over-taxes and robs the achievers and gives the hard-earned fruits of our labour to the free-loaders.
I would never cast my vote for a party that gives advantage to the undeserving, just because the colour of their skin, their gender or their professed sexual preferences in the name of the phoney credo of "levelling the playing field".
I would never vote for a party whose members object to the display of a Nativity scene in the Christmas season in our country which was founded on judeo-Christian principles and is stil predominantly a Christian country.
I would never vote for a party whose adherents flock to Cuba for vacationing, while ignoring the fact that the poor sucker who brings them their Cuba-libre is a virtual slave and earns 25 Canadian cents a day.
Or the party whose adherents endorsed Saddam Hussain, glorified Lenin, Marx and Stalin and whose adherents still endorse Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and the idiot little brother of big Fidel.
I could go on but by now it must be fairly obvious that I would never vote for the party of Trudeau, Chretien and Ignatieff.
Or (Heaven forbid) Stephen and/or David Lewis, Ed Broadbent or Jack Layton.
Free Thinker
#25
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJack
Yukon JackSomebody here said that 'our votes are constanly bought'.
And nothing illustrates our collective stupidity better than the fact that we either don't realize or choose to ignore the fact that we are bribed with, and our votes are bought by our own money, previously confiscated by the bastards we were foolish enough to put them in that powerful position in the first place.
So, promises mean nothing to me.
However, I could NEVER cast my vote for a party that endorses the butchering of innocent lives in the womb.
I would never vote for a party that over-taxes and robs the achievers and gives the hard-earned fruits of our labour to the free-loaders.
I would never cast my vote for a party that gives advantage to the undeserving, just because the colour of their skin, their gender or their professed sexual preferences in the name of the phoney credo of "levelling the playing field".
I would never vote for a party whose members object to the display of a Nativity scene in the Christmas season in our country which was founded on judeo-Christian principles and is stil predominantly a Christian country.
I would never vote for a party whose adherents flock to Cuba for vacationing, while ignoring the fact that the poor sucker who brings them their Cuba-libre is a virtual slave and earns 25 Canadian cents a day.
Or the party whose adherents endorsed Saddam Hussain, glorified Lenin, Marx and Stalin and whose adherents still endorse Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and the idiot little brother of big Fidel.
I could go on but by now it must be fairly obvious that I would never vote for the party of Trudeau, Chretien and Ignatieff.
Or (Heaven forbid) Stephen and/or David Lewis, Ed Broadbent or Jack Layton.
As a man of my age if would depend upon if I was single – Then it would be twins, as they would both be future pension plans – and they would both need to have a really good health benefits plans – Viagra one day – Celebrex the next – That co-pay can really drain the old wallet.
Free Thinker
#27
Re: What could buy your vote?
Mar 15th, 2009
Any representatives of the Marijuana Party out there?
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