Should all our personal income taxes be deductible through charitable donations?


View Poll Results: Should more of our personal income taxes be deductible through charitable donations?
Yes. 5 45.45%
No. 4 36.36%
Depends on the details. 1 9.09%
Other answer (please explain below). 1 9.09%
Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

Machjo
#1
Woudl you support this idea?
 
Machjo
#2
Oops. Sorry about that misspelling of 'should'' I must have been thinking in French when I typed that.
 
Liberalman
#3
charities should not be deductable because most charities are scams.

only five percent of the monies donated to the tsunami ever made it there so the charities kept the rest.

People give to charities to feel good and feel that they are helping.

The government should come out with a flat income tax of 15% for both people and business and let the rest of the people take care of the charities on their own.
 
Machjo
#4
I'd say even 15% would be high, but I support your general idea. In a recession though, I can't see it being politically feasible; people would fear that any tax cut will just get locked up in a bank and not produce jobs.

As for charities being scams, not all of them are. In that case, we'd just need to educate people in giving wisely.
 
Liberalman
#5
In a recession people have a lot of fear and any money they get they put away for a rainy day.

George Jr sent out cheques to Americans and that money went into savings accounts and debt payments and maybe foreign made goods which did not really help the American economy because people saw the writing on the wall.
 
Ron in Regina
Free Thinker
#6
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

In a recession people have a lot of fear and any money they get they put away for a rainy day.

George Jr sent out cheques to Americans and that money went into savings accounts and debt payments and maybe foreign made goods which did not really help the American economy because people saw the writing on the wall.


I heard the break-down like this....80% went to either savings or to
reduce personal debt. 20% was spent on goods, with close to an
even split between domestic and imported goods....so it could be
argued that ten cents on the dollar went into the American economy
except for the potion of personal debt paid down of which those funds
may or may not have stayed in the U.S. Economy...so who knows...

Perhaps a much higher % of our personal income tax should be
deductible if the charity is domestically based and the funds stay in
the country to help those in the same country.
 
VanIsle
#7
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Woudl you support this idea?

The income tax "gain" on giving to charities is negligible unless you can give a pile. I think all mtg. interest should be deductible. We have to pay if we earn interest unless we use the new TFSA which is small to start out with. I know you can add an additional $5,000 per year. Since we have to pay for earning interest on things like RRSP's, then we should have some gain in claiming things like mtg. interest. More than "gain" maybe it should be called a levelling off.
 
Machjo
#8
Quote: Originally Posted by IslandpacificView Post

The income tax "gain" on giving to charities is negligible unless you can give a pile. I think all mtg. interest should be deductible. We have to pay if we earn interest unless we use the new TFSA which is small to start out with. I know you can add an additional $5,000 per year. Since we have to pay for earning interest on things like RRSP's, then we should have some gain in claiming things like mtg. interest. More than "gain" maybe it should be called a levelling off.

I should have been more specific. I was asking if you'd support making more of it deductible than is already the case. So for example we could make it deductible on a one-to-one ratio. For every dollar you would give to charity, you'd pay one dollar less in income tax.

As for mortgages, etc. I haven't given that too much thought yet, but if we did that, wouldn't people just put it into debt payment, which again would not really help to create jobs? If that's the case, then we might as well just go to income tax cuts. Same thing. I do support income tax cuts by the way, don't get me wrong. I just don't know if tax cuts or making the mortgage deductible would be politically popular since people would fear that that money would not actually be spent, it wold just go towards paying off debt. But I'd support it if it could be politically feasible.

I was thinking more as an alternative political strategy. If people were not willing to go with tax cuts or anything that doesn't create jobs directly (and mortgage payments would fall into that category too), then making it more charity deductible would be the next best thing since it would at least give us more say in how our money is to be spent.

Unless of course you had some idea that making mortgages deductible would promote more house sales and so a growing construction industry? But can you gurarantee people would go for that within a recession? Maybe all that would happen is those with mortgagepayments would put the money there, and the rest would sit and wait to see how stable their job is. I don't know, but maybe if mortgage deductions could work if they functioned under some policy that would require people to buy houses or spend the money somehow?
 
Machjo
#9
Another idea would be a personal nonessential wealth ceiling. In other words, if you accumulate personal non-essential wealth beyond a certain value, the government skims the excess. Now that would be an incentive for the rich to either:

1. Give the excess to charity before the government gets its hands on it,

2. Spend it on perishable goods and services (eat out regularly, take the taxi to work every day, etc.),

3. reduce working hours, or

4. spend the money on your company, your education, buy a house (if you don't have one yet) or some other area that converts that wealth to essential wealth (possessions required for you to do your work or expand your company, which would create jobs anyway), thus taking it our of non-essential wealth and thus keeping it out of the government's hands.

Now I think this would be an extreme solution, but we can't deny that as a brainstorm exercise, it would be one hell of a way to get the rich to create jobs.
 
Machjo
#10
Accrding to the poll, seems like an idea people would be willing to explore further.
 
Kreskin
#11
Reducing 1 to 1 would be unheard of. I think what you mean is instead of being a tax credit on a % that it should reduce your taxable income. That way you reduce your taxes by reduced marginal tax.

I'm not really for it. As the second poster said, there are too many professional charities now.
 
Cannuck
No Party Affiliation
#12
There are lots of small charities that would do well with increased tax credits. I am involved with out local volunteer fire association which is a charity. We are raising money for a new rescue truck and any help we can get the better. Besides, tax credits will help allow the people to decide where there money goes. If they want a new fire truck it's much easier to donate directly than have some bloated bureaucracy mismanage the tax dollars.
 
china
Conservative
#13
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

There are lots of small charities that would do well with increased tax credits. I am involved with out local volunteer fire association which is a charity. We are raising money for a new rescue truck and any help we can get the better. Besides, tax credits will help allow the people to decide where there money goes. If they want a new fire truck it's much easier to donate directly than have some bloated bureaucracy mismanage the tax dollars.


Canada's Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional The constitution gives the Federal Government the right to issue its own currency
Here are excerpts from a paper that was delivered in October, 1991, by Mr. Murray Gauvreau, of Alberta, at a seminar of the Canadian League of Rights, in Calgary, which was published in the July, 1992 issue of "The Canadian Intelligence Service" (55 - 8th Ave. S.E., High River , Alberta T1V 1E:


by Murray Gauvreau
_____________
________ I would like to talk with you today about money, interest, debt, and taxation. Thank you for your interest and for coming to hear me speak. I'm sure that all of you are interested in Imcome Tax, and the GST. I will no doubt give you some enlightening facts. In order to fully understand the problem that we face today in Canada, we will briefly discuss some important aspects of our history.
In addition, I will try to give you an understanding of how the many taxes we now pay have come about. I will also propose some solutions to our dilemma. But please keep this in mind: our problem is perceived to be vast and complex, and it is intended by those in power that you feel exactly that way, so that you will feel helpless to do anything about it. But after today you will know for certain that our problem is not complex at all, and neither is its solution.
1867 - the B.N.A. Act
As a result of having taken advantage of the many career advancement courses offered by the life insurance industry, I became aware that the banks have exclusive right to issue currency in Canada, as determined by the Federal Bank Act. But I didn't see them printing money, so I decided to find out exactly how they do issue currency. My search led me back into the early history of our nation, and into the history of our Province...
So let's go back a ways, to the year 1867, and look into the pages of the Canadian Constitution, commonly known as the British North America (B.N.A.) Act. Therein lies the real solution to the ailments, both social and economic, that our country suffers from today. It is the same document today that it was when it was written so long ago.
The B.N.A. Act was written in order to establish the legal basis for this country. All laws enacted in Canada, whether by municipal, provincial, or federal government, must comply with the terms of the B.N.A. Act. If they do not, they are then unconstitutional, or in legal terms "ultra vires," and can be disallowed as law. The document belongs to the people of Canada, and not to the parliamentarians or the courts, or to the Prime Minister and the Premiers... It belongs to the people.
The Canadian Constitution was not changed or altered when it was brought home by Mr. Trudeau, as some suggest. However, there was a very important addition made to it at that time. That addition was the Canadian Bill of Human Rights. Today the Canadian Constitution, as we know it, is comprised of the original B.N.A. Act, and the Human Rights Act, together...
Direct taxation belongs to provinces
There are two specific sections of the B.N.A. Act that deal with the delegation of authority between the Federal and Provincial Governments. Sections 91 and 92 deal with authority for various types of taxation, who has authority to levy which taxes, and various other areas of jurisdiction.
The Act is very specific in its direction. The right to tax income, known as "direct" tax, was delegated to the provinces; and it was clearly indicated that any monies so raised must be raised provincially, and used for provincial purposes. The Federal Government was denied the right to levy income tax.
But the Supreme Court of Canada goes further. It states that no level or government is allowed to transfer its authority to another level of government, and if transfer were attempted by one level, it could not legally be accepted by another.
On October 3, 1950, the Supreme Court of Canada handed down a decision in the case involving the Lord Nelson Hotel of Halifax, Nova Scotia, against the Attorneys-General of Nova Scotia and Canada. The case involved the transfer of powers from the Provincial to the Federal Government, and was directly related to the income Tax Act. In a seven-judge unanimous decision, the highest court in our land ruled that power transfers cannot legally take place. The Federal Government was given until 1962 to remove itself from all such power-transfer agreements, including the Income tax business, and scrap the Income Tax Act...
Clearly, the Federal Government has no constitutional right to engage in the Income Tax business, or any other type of direct taxation, whether on behalf of itself or on behalf of the provinces. Therefore, the Income Tax Act is, in itself, unconstitutional, and need not to be obeyed...
The Federal Government can create its own currency
It is interesting to note that the same sections of the B.N.A. Act that disallow the Federal Government the right to collect income tax, did however provide for a means whereby the Federal Government could raise capital. Sectons 91 (14, 15,16, 28, 29, and 20) give the Federal Government the authority, and the responsibility, for the control and issue of our currency, based upon the resources and wealth of the nation. They were given an unlimited supply of debt-free money with which to operate the contry. All they had to do was print it. And they did just that for the first 46 years of our country.
Government gives banks credit monopoly
Then, some 46 years after Confederation, in 1913, our parliamentarians were poorly advised in committing a grave injustice to future generations of Canadians by passing an amendment to the B.N.A. Act (without referendum!) commonly known as the Bank Act. By this act, the Federal Government gave to the banking system the sole right to create the financial credit (in reality, the "money") of our nation. And for the last 79 years, the private banking system has been exercising this monopolistic prerogative of creating and controlling the Canadian people's financial credit.
Well, banks don't work for free... they charge "interest." They even charge interest to the Government. And interest can never be repaid; it just keeps adding up, and up, and up, until today our national debt alone is approaching $600 billion.
Shipwrecked on an island

(Editor's note: At this point of his speech, Mr. Gauvreau explains in detail the same story related by Louis Even in "The Money Myth Exploded," formerly called "Salvation Islan"
Let's assume that those of us here this afternoon are shipwreck survivors, and that we are stranded on a deserted island. Our only means of survival are to help each other by each doing those things that are necessary for the betterment of our new community, until we can be rescued. One of us becomes a farmer, one a fisherman, one a carpenter, and so on.
Each of us has his own role to play for the survival of the community. No one has any money, and at least for the time being, there is no need for money, All are contributing equally, and all are on the same economic level. We are satisfactorily exchanging our goods and services by barter. But gradually, as the community evolves, it becomes apparent that money will be necessary. Bob already has a house, and the carpenter doesn't need another hundred pounds of fish. But we do need to associate, cooperate, and continue to contribute to the community. There needs to be an acceptable and equitable means of exchanging our goods and services...
Then one day, as the community is sitting on the beach, talking about their problem, we notice another raft approaching the island. All are happy to see a new face, and we greet the new arrival warmly. As we continue to talk, someone in the community tells the vew arrival about our dilemma, about how we started the community, developed it, built it through cooperation, and advanced to the point where we now need some form of exchange to help make the community grow and flourish. The new arrival's eyes light up. "I have the answer to your problem," says the new arrival. "I'm a banker. I'll set to work right now to print you some money."
The next morning, the whole community meets in front of the banker's new house. As the banker distributes the money, he reminds us that the money belong to him, and that we do not "own" it, but that we can only "borrow" it, and that we must pay a small fee for the privilege of borriwing it. We can pay that at the end of the year. And he requests that each person sign the agreement to pay 5%, which is certainly not excessive interest.
The debt cannot be paid back

The first year goes by. The community functions and prospers during the year; then at the end of the year we return to the banker, to pay him back what we had borrowed. But we find, to our dismay, that we cannot repay the loan, because we do not have enough money. We find that we now owe all that we had borrowed, plus 5%, which is the interest. The $1,000 that we had borrowed has now become $1,050. Since there is obviously no way to pay back the $50, which is the interest, the banker suggests that we leave the loan on the books as a $1,000, leaving a lesser amount of $950 for each of us to operate on for the next year. Seeing no other real answer, the community agrees to the new terms, and attempts to operate with less money for another year.
At the end of the second year, the community faces a similar, but greater, problem. In buying down the loan, we find that our operating capital has now been cut by 10%, to $900. We realize that if the plan is allowed to continue, the banker will own the island, in its entirety, having contributed nothing but the paper and ink (bookkeeping) that was used to monetize the community's real credit in the first place. Some of the islanders protest.
But the banker has now had a couple of years to prepare for this day. To counter the objection that is inevitable, he has taken evasive steps. He has used the time to develop credibility in the community to educate us as to how valuable his service is, and what a fine contribution he has made to the community. He established colleges and universities majoring in economics, and teaches our children and our educators all about his money system. He ensures that few, if any, in the community are aware that there is another way; and he encourages the community to discount as ridiculous any suggestion that there could be a better way to finance a community...
The solution: Social Credit

Then one day, one of the islanders decides to take a walk along the beach and deliberate upon what has happened to the community. As he strolls along, head down, thinking, he notices what appears to be the corner of a book sticking out from the sand. He kneels, and picks up the book and brushes it off. The title, though tarnished from time, wind, and tide, is still readable - "The Meaning of Social Credit." The islanders had never heard of this before, but he has not had a book to read for a long time, so he sits down on the beach to read it. A nd as he reads, he becomes more and more interested and excited. He realizes that this book holds the real answers to his island's financial problem. The book describes how a community can function very well by simply creating a Balance Sheet, a system of debits and credits...
He runs back to relate the exiting news of his discovery to the rest of the community. As he gathers the islanders to discuss his find, the banker watches with concern. Is his jug up? Has he been found out? Is the community finally ready to take back its property, and reconstruct it, and once again have prosperity and cooperation?
Friends, only you can answer these questions, because the island I talk about is your country, and the community I refer to is all of us.
The story paints a rather dismal picture of the banking system in our country. Please understand, the average bank manager, teller or loans officer, has absolutely no knowledge of what you have just learned. They are merely pawns in a much larger game. But rest assured, those in the upper levels of management in the finance industry are absolutely certain of what they are doing, and how it affects the citizens of this country... Any system that enslaves and controls a population in the way that our finance system does, cannot possibly be from the Lord. So there is only one other place it could come from...
Banks do not lend out depositors' money

Does anybody here know where the banks get the money that they lend out? Actually, most people assume that they lend out depositors' money. But the Bank Act specifies that the bank must retain the depositor's money on account, and must pay him interest on it.
So, where else might the bank get the money?
The Bank Act also specifies that the bank may create, out of nothing, new credit ("money") through loans, but that it must have a relationship to the deposits. Originally, the banks were allowed to lend out six times their deposits, but today banks are allowed to issue new credit up to 26 times their deposits. That means that if I deposit my $1,000 in a Canadian bank, then that bank can issue loans to the tune of $26,000... Go to the bank, get a loan, and ask for the loan proceeds in cash. No matter the size of the loan, you cannot get it in cash - it must be deposited to your account, and cheques written in order to access the money. No tangible money is ever created; only debits and credits (figures) are created...
Today in Canada, the only source of money, whether private, corporate, or governmental need, is a loan from a bank. But you can never borrow your way out of debt. You can only borrow your way into bankruptcy, at which time you turn your back on your assets and your hard work, and give up possession of it to those to whom you owe money, but who gave absolutely no vested interest in your property...
1917: the Federal Income Tax

Now that we understand that the national debt can never be fully repaid using the current system of finance, the question arises: How, then, does it get paid? In 1917, after finding out that the debt was beginning to build, the Federal Government usurped the powers of the provincial governments and, under the guise of the War Debt, instituted the War Debt Income Tax Act. The Act was unconstitutional then, and it is still unconstitutional today. When it was enacted, it was on a voluntary basis, at a rate of 10%, and applied only to those earning $10,000 or more per year. In 1917, the average yearly salary was about $250.
The Income Tax Act could have more appropriately been named the Bank Interest Debt Income Tax Act; but then, people would have fought to the death to keep it out of effect. Since that time, the Federal Government has seen fit to increase the tax rate as high as 65% on high-income individuals, and has also seen fit to remove the lower limits to the point that, as you know, everyone is required to pay...
And now we have had the GST, which in my opinion is equaly as unconstitutional, rammed down our throats by a group of MPs that brashly and boldly declare that they are smarter than we are, and they know best...
Facing up to reality

Our Federal Government has gone so far away from the Constitution, in nearly every area of jurisdiction, that it now conspires to change it altogether. But that is not the solution. Getting back to the way it was written is the solution...
Each one of us selects his mode and method of doing battles with oppressive government. Some of us do it by speaking out... some of us join non-party political groups, some of us pray, and most of us do nothing. We have a condition called the "ostrich syndrome." If we ignore it and don't look at it, it might go away! But remember this: if your head is in the sand, your butt is an open target!
The Hart System: tax avoidance Federal Income Tax is illegal

I handle my fight personally using a system called the Hart System of Effective Tax Avoidance. Gerry Hart passed avay recently in Winnipeg, but not before becoming Canada's undisputed champion No. 1 tax fighter. Mr. Hart for many years opted to take an aggressive and active position against oppressive government, and he has not paid income tax in nearly 50 years. During that time, he has been imposed upon, charged, harassed, his privacy invaded, and his person subjected to illegal search. But he has never given an inch. He has been to the Manitoba Court of Appeal 22 times, but has never lost.
In 1950 Gerry Hart received a copy of a Vancouver newspaper article which reported on a recent ruling made by the Supreme Court of Canada. He then requested a copy of the ruling itself, from the Supreme Court Chancery in Ottawa. He also requested a copy of the B.N.A. Act, because the ruling quoted various sections of that document. He found, just as the newspaper had reported, that Section 91 and 92 of the B.N.A. Act do not allow for the Federal Government to be in the Income Tax business.
The two documents - the Supreme Court ruling and the B.N.A. Act - have been the basis of his battle, and the only two cocuments he has needed. He has never had the benefit of legal counsel, and has chosen to appear in court by himself. His only evidence has been those two documents. Charges against him have been thrown out of court 22 times. The last time, some twelve or so years ago, Revenue Canada was told that if it ever brought Gerry Hart back into court, that Revenue Canada itself would be charged with contempt of court.
Gerry Hart has never been convicted under the Income Tax Act. As he says, "Income Tax is illegal. Therefore the collection of it is also illegal. Since Revenue Canada has no legal method of collecting income tax, they must resort to illegal means." Those illegal means include harassment, intimidation, illegal search, illegal seizure, violation of privacy, extortion, coercion, and complete ignorance and contempt for the human rights of Canadian citizens...
We have various books and booklets available to help to educate on how to prepare to stop paying these illegal taxes. If our "Tax Kit" can help you to avoid several thousands of dollars of tax, it is certainly worth its small investment. Be sure to protect yourself from Revenue Canada before you get involved in this tax fight. Read the books, and find out how...
If you still have questions after you have read the books, then call me. I'll try to help you. I have not paid income tax since 1978, and I have used Gerry Hart's System of Effective Tax Avoidance. I know it works; I'm living proof.
Ladies and Gentlemen: I've talked for a long time. But I cannot overstress the lateness of the hour. We all know what needs to be done, so let's get busy and get to it!

Murray Gauvreau

If you want to contact Mr. Gauvreau, his adress is :
General Delivery, Grovedale, Alberta, T0H 1X0 and his phone : (403) 532-6843
 
Machjo
#14
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

There are lots of small charities that would do well with increased tax credits. I am involved with out local volunteer fire association which is a charity. We are raising money for a new rescue truck and any help we can get the better. Besides, tax credits will help allow the people to decide where there money goes. If they want a new fire truck it's much easier to donate directly than have some bloated bureaucracy mismanage the tax dollars.

Along the lines of what I was thinking when I started this thread.
 
Machjo
#15
China,

Thanks for the informative post. So if that's the case, then we have a constitutional right to not pay our income tax to the federal government.

Now I can see where that could go. The federal government would suddenly introduce some kind of resource tax, GST or some other tax (if those are constitutional), or alternatively to slash spending and provincial transfer payments, leaving it up to the provinces to then raise income tax. The transfer, if dones suddenly, would cause alot of confusion in the beginning at least.

Another possibility of course would be to amend the BNA Act.
 
Machjo
#16
Quote: Originally Posted by CannuckView Post

There are lots of small charities that would do well with increased tax credits. I am involved with out local volunteer fire association which is a charity. We are raising money for a new rescue truck and any help we can get the better. Besides, tax credits will help allow the people to decide where there money goes. If they want a new fire truck it's much easier to donate directly than have some bloated bureaucracy mismanage the tax dollars.

Another advantage with this is that it's harder for corruption to creep in. After all, we're dealing with a local public charity, full of volunteers directly involved in its activities, and some such charities are directly elected by the membership on a regular basis and the books are always open to membership scrutiny. Corruption is next to impossible (with emphasis on 'next to'). If a charity refuses to open its books to you, then don't give to it. Give to a charity you yourself are already directly involved in already.

And who knows better than the local population what it is exactly that the local population needs? With all due respect to our MP's in Ottawa, there is only so much information they can process at any given time. That being the case, they should prioritize those tasks that charities for what ever reason prove unsuitable. Anything task that can be taken over by a charity would take one more burden on MPs' shoulders, thus allowing them to focus their attention on other matters. In this way, we'd actually be doing our MPs afavour by earmarking funds to worthy local charities based on our own individual expertise.
 
china
Conservative
#17

The Alberta Agenda

In summary, the Alberta Agenda argues that Alberta should:
-create our own Alberta Pension Plan (APP).
-collect our own revenue from personal income tax as we already do for our corporate income tax
-create our own police force. The RCMP would remain in Alberta to enforce federal statutes.
-resume constitutional responsiblity for health care.
-use section 88 of the Supreme Court's decision in the Quebec Secession Reference to force Senate reform back onto the agenda
-take all possible political and legal measures to reduce the financial drain on Alberta caused by transfer payments and equalization
-utilize the Notwithstanding Clause coupled with a referendum to allow Albertans to shape our own path

These items are more controversial than they really should be, especially considering that:
-Quebec has their own pension plan, one that is better operated than the Canada Pension Plan
-Quebec already collects their own personal income tax
-Ontario, Quebec and Newfoundland have their own police forces
-these items are nothing more than adhering to the Canadian constitution Misconceptions about the Alberta Agenda

Several people have misconceptions about the Alberta Agenda. One misconception is that the Alberta Agenda is an agenda for Alberta independence. While I wish this were true, all it is doing is Alberta claiming her constitutional rights. Alberta's constitutional rights were not the same as other provinces in Confederation. Quebec, Ontario and Newfoundland have adopted several provisions of the Alberta Agenda for themselves. Has the presence of the Ontario Provincial Police led to secessionists gaining prominence in Ontario?

Another misconception is that the Alberta Agenda will solve all our problems within Confederation. Just as the Alberta Agenda is not the agenda of nationalist Albertans, nor is it the agenda of federalists. Has the adoption of half of the Alberta Agenda solved the problems of sovereignists in Quebec? No. It will not do the same with pro-independence forces in Alberta. The reason for this is that it doesn't address most of the grievances that Albertans have, and more importantly, it does not address the problem with Canadian Confederation: that the majorty can trample on the rights of the minority, particularly Alberta.

Related to the misconception that the Alberta Agenda will solve our problems with Canada is a misunderstanding of the tax collection section of the Alberta Agenda. The Alberta Agenda does NOT advocate the collection of federal income taxes by Alberta. It advocates the collection of Alberta personal income taxes in Alberta, in much the same way we collect corporate income taxes - we do not collect federal corporate income taxes. While some may see a solution to equalization/transfer payments by Alberta keeping the tax moneys of Albertans taxed by Ottawa, realize that that is not what the Alberta Agenda represents. Some Provinces Were More Equal than Others

Alberta's constitutional rights were not the same as other provinces in Confederation when Alberta became a part of Canada in 1905. Alberta did not have rights to resources and natural resources, unlike every other province with the exception of Canada. Nor did Alberta have the ability to chose the educational system - this was imposed on us. This unfair treatment led to Clifford Sifton resigning from Laurier's cabinet.

This unjust situation was rectified by the Alberta Act in 1930, whereby Alberta was finally recognized as possessing her natural resources. Ironically, this wasn't done for any reason except that the Canadian government didn't think too highly of Alberta's natural resources. Alberta's Constitutional Rights Taken Away By Federal Government

As found in the BNA Act (found below), Alberta has exclusive powers over many areas of jurisdiction. Many times, Ottawa has decided to legislate and enforce legislation that infringes upon Alberta's jurisdiction. It did so with regard to education and natural resources from Alberta's first day in Canada. It does so today in such areas as healthcare. In fact it has such an effect in healthcare that healthcare is seen as a federal responsibility, even by some MLAs. Alberta's jurisdiction over her natural resources has been infringed upon by many schemes designed to wrest Alberta's wealth to the central government. Constitutional protection has been anything but for Alberta.
The Alberta Agenda: Good, But...

It won't save us.

Having our own pension plan will allow us to have our own pension plan, which will save hundreds of millions of dollars and allow our pension plan to actually be funded. It will not prevent Canada from raiding Alberta in order to finance their pension plan. A good idea, but the solution is one small piece among many larger ones.

Having our own police force may allow the execution of some poor laws to not be enforced, but that's problematic in itself, as it lessens the respect for all laws, not just federal laws. It is a good idea from a cost standpoint.

Collecting Alberta's personal income tax does not mean we will collect federal personal income tax, and then withhold funds from Canada until they stop stealing funds from us thru equalization/transfer payments. The federal government will continue to collect federal income taxes paid by Albertans. Collecting our own tax will eliminate any notions of being secondary to the federal government and provide money in the form of carry on interest to more than cover the costs. It will not prevent equalization/transfer payments.

The Constitution Act does not allow the Notwithstanding Clause to override all legislation, only a portion of it. It can be only done to affect fundamental freedoms, legal rights or equality rights, and even within this, it can only affect legislation that we would be able to enact. Bill 202, dealing with same sex marriage, would not be subject to the Notwithstanding Clause, for example. That's a legal judgment that came down in 2002. Done right, the Notwithstanding Clause could be a good addition to a bill of rights. However, that is not the case in Canada: it has little merit in protecting Alberta.

Resuming constitutional responsibility for health care is a good thing, but Alberta may not come out ahead on this financially. The Canadian government pays for 19% of Alberta's health care. In order to take responsibility, we would forego that 19%. We may gain enough efficiencies to make up that 19%, but it is not a large benefit to Alberta financially.

Using the Clarity Act for refederation is like using potential independence as a bargaining chip - and it could result in our independence. This would lead to a fluid situation in my opinion, where anything can happen. And because it will be recognized as such, it most likely not be adopted. However, if this part of the Alberta Agenda is adopted, it could save us - because it may have the unintended consequence of Alberta leaving Confederation hoping to renegotiate a new federalism, which is rejected by Canada.

How would legal fights to equalization and transfer payments be successful? And how would these prevent the federal government from making new laws to overcome any successful legal challenge?

The Alberta Agenda will not give us redress from our problems. That said, it is prudent policy. Reference: BNA Act

Exclusive Powers of Provincial Legislatures

92. In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subject next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say,--

1. Repealed.(4
2. Direct Taxation within the Province in order to the raising of a Revenue for Provincial Purposes.
3. The borrowing of Money on the sole Credit of the Province.
4. The Establishment and Tenure of Provincial Offices and the Appointment and Payment of Provincial Officers.
5. The Management and Sale of the Public Lands belonging to the Province and of the Timber and Wood thereon.
6. The Establishment, Maintenance, and Management of Public and Reformatory Prisons in and for the Province.
7. The Establishment, Maintenance, and Management of Hospitals, Asylums, Charities, and Eleemosynary Institutions in and for the Province, other than Marine Hospitals.
8. Municipal Institutions in the Province.
9. Shop, Saloon, Tavern, Auctioneer, and other Licences in order to the raising of a Revenue for Provincial, Local, or Municipal Purposes.
10. Local Works and Undertakings other than such as are of the following Classes:--
(a) Lines of Steam or other Ships, Railways, Canals, and other Works and Undertakings connecting the Province with any other or others of the Provinces, or extending beyond the Limits of the Province;
(b) Lines of Steam Ships between the Province and any British or Foreign Country;
(c) Such Works as, although wholly situate within the Province, are before or after the Execution declared by the Parliament of Canada to be for the general Advantage of Canada or for the Advantage of Two or more of the Provinces.
11. The Incorporation of Companies with Provincial Objects.
12. The Solemnization of Marriage in the Province.
13. Property and Civil Rights in the Province.
14. The Administration of Justice in the Province, including the Constitution, Maintenance, and Organization of Provincial Courts, both of Civil and of Criminal Jurisdiction, and including Procedure in Civil Matters in those Courts.
15. The Imposition of Punishment by Fine, Penalty, or Imprisonment for enforcing any Law of the Province made in relation to any Matter coming within any of the Classes of Subjects enumerated in this Section.
16. Generally all Matters of a merely local or private Nature in the Province.

Non-Renewable Natural Resources, Forestry Resources and Electrical Energy.

92A. (1) In each province, the legislature may exclusively make laws in relation to
(a) exploration for non-renewable natural resources in the province;
(b) development, conservation and management of non-renewable resources natural resources and forestry resources in the province, including laws in relation to the rate of primary production therefrom; and
(c) development, conservation and management of sites and facilities in the province for the generation and production of electrical energy.
(2) In each province, the legislature may make laws in relation to the export from the province to another part of Canada of the primary production from non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province and the production from facilities in the province for the generation of electrical energy, but such laws may not authorize or provide for discrimination in prices or in supplies exported to another part of Canada.
(3) Nothing in subsection (2) derogates from the authority of Parliament to enact laws in relation to the matters referred to in that subsection and, where such a law of Parliament and a law of a province conflict, the law of Parliament prevails to the extent of the conflict.
(4) In each province, the legislature may make laws in relation to the raising of money by any mode or system of taxation in respect of
(a) non-renewable natural resources and forestry resources in the province and the primary production therefrom, and
(b) sites and facilities in the province for the generation of electrical energy and the production therefrom,
whether or not such production is exported in whole or in part from the province, but such laws may not authorize or provide for taxation that differentiates between production exported to another part of Canada and production not exported from the province.
(5) The expression "primary production" has the meaning assigned by the Sixth Schedule.
(6) Nothing in subsections (1) to (5) derogates from any power or rights that a legislature or government of a province had immediately before the coming into force of this section.(49)

Education.
93. In and for each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Education, subject and according to the following Provisions:--
(1) Nothing in any such Law shall prejudicially affect any Right or Privilege with respect to Denominational Schools which any Class of Persons have by Law in the Province at the Union:
(2) All the Powers, Privileges and Duties at the Union by Law conferred and imposed in Upper Canada on the Separate Schools and School Trustees of the Queen's Roman Catholic Subjects shall be and the same are hereby extended to the Dissentient Schools of the Queen's Protestant and Roman Catholic Subjects in Quebec:
(3) Where in any Province a System of Separate or Dissentient Schools exists by Law at the Union or is thereafter established by the Legislature of the Province, an Appeal shall lie to the Governor General in Council from any Act or Decision of any Provincial Authority affecting any Right or Privilege of the Protestant or Roman Catholic Minority of the Queen's Subjects in relation to Education:
(4) In case any such Provincial Law as from Time to Time seems to the Governor General in Council requisite for the Execution of the Provisions of this Section is not made, or in case any Decision of the Governor General in Council on any Appeal under this Section is not duly executed by the proper Provincial Authority in that Behalf, then and in every such Case, and as far as the Circumstances of each Case require, the Parliament of Canada may make remedial Laws for the due Execution of the Provisions of this Section and of any Decision of the Governor General in Council under this Section.(50)

93A. Paragraphs (1) to (4) of section 93 do not apply to Quebec. (50.1)
Uniformity of Laws in Ontario, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
94. Notwithstanding anything in this Act, the Parliament of Canada may make Provision for the Uniformity of all or any of the Laws relative to Property and Civil Rights in Ontario, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick, and of the Procedure of all or any of the Courts in Those Three Provinces, and from and after the passing of any Act in that Behalf the Power of the Parliament of Canada to make Laws in relation to any Matter comprised in any such Act shall, notwithstanding anything in this Act, be unrestricted; but any Act of the Parliament of Canada making Provision for such Uniformity shall not have effect in any Province unless and until it is adopted and enacted as Law by the Legislature thereof.

Old Age Pensions.

94A. The Parliament of Canada may make laws in relation to old age pensions and supplementary benefits, including survivors, and disability benefits irrespective of age, but no such law shall affect the operation of any law present or future of a provincial legislature in relation to any such matters.(51)

Agriculture and Immigration.

95. In each Province the Legislature may make Laws in relation to Agriculture in the Province, and to Immigration into the Province; and it is hereby declared that the Parliament of Canada may from Time to Time Make Laws in relation to Agriculture in all or any of the Provinces, and to Immigration into all or any of the Provinces; and any Law of the Legislature of a Province relative to Agriculture or to Immigration shall have effect in and for the Province as long and as far as it is not repugnant to any Act of the Parliament of Canada.
 
china
Conservative
#18
The Federal Government in Canada can tax corporation but not people directly, however a province can.



Income Tax Act Sec 248 Definitions of Tax Payer and Person



�taxpayer" includes any person whether or not liable to pay tax;
"person" , or any word or expression descriptive of a person, includes any corporation, and any entity exempt, because of subsection 149(1), from tax under Part I on all or part of the entity�s taxable income and the heirs, executors, liquidators of a succession, administrators or other legal representatives of such a person, according to the law of that part of Canada to which the context extends;
Legislative Authority of Parliament of Canada
Sec 91 Canada�s Constitution Federal sub 3. The raising of Money by any Mode or System of Taxation.
Subjects of exclusive Provincial Legislation
Sec 92 Canada�s Con Sub 2. Direct Taxation within the Province in order to the raising of a Revenue for Provincial Purposes.
 
china
Conservative
#19
. If you expect freedom to be handed to you on a platter, you may have some self-development work to do. Letter from Someone Who's Done the Work
"Bravo, Bravo, Bravo!
Finally a man after my own heart. I was beginning to believe that I was the only one who thought like you. I live in B.C., Canada. You'll have to excuse my writing. It's 3:57 a.m. but I couldn't stop reading your literature. I too left "the system" in 1989 (never to return). You're right , most people are scared to death to attempt what you and I have accomplished with seemingly such ease. I have been chastised by others for having the BELIEFS and opinions that I have. My own mother called me "Pond Scum" because I have absolutely NO desire to follow the rest of the "SHEEPLE" and pay unconstitutional taxes.
Over the years I have tried to educate myself by learning certain case laws, the Canadian Constitution, British North American Act, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Income War Tax Act of 1917. It appears at this point I have enough ammunition to fend off the "Terrocrats" of which you speak. I have not "voluntered" to pay taxes nor have I filed since 1988.
They've contacted me twice in the last 8 months. Making their feeble attempts at extortion and coercion. Claiming that they were going to send out a "field investigator" to maybe do a search and seizure. I went ballistic on this individual, quoting section after subsection of MY rights. I think he's decided to leave me alone. Maybe it had something to do with my last statement to him: " Right now you're dealing with only one pissed off Canadian... If you insist on continuing your efforts against me...I 'll make a media event out of it... I'd love to be the one to educate the Canadian public and be the one who is soley responsible for having your *** fired."
I've often thought of making a business out of what I know with reference to "living outside the system" -- apparently you have. Unfortunately I have not read all the articles you have on your site... but I will! As I was reading your information, I couldn't stop laughing. I printed a great deal off and have sent it to my girlfriend who lives in another province. I asked her to read every word and then tell me who it reminds her of and who does she see. I know it will be me. She continues to tell me that I need to come above ground and get a real life. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME! Not under the current conditions. I will continue to read your info and I support you and your people 100% Do you know of anything like this in Canada? If not then maybe I should give serious consideration to starting something like this.
Should I find myself in the future with a web site... I'll be sure to display the green ribbon.
I wish you well!"
"Thunder Graham"
NOTE: The individual above seized his freedom without having read one word of the "buildfreedom" materials.
A Message From Another Visitor to buildfreedom.com:
"It has been about two weeks since I first happened upon Frederick Mann's webpage. I have read several of the reports up to #TL10. The common thread, that I have found, is how to leave the "American" system. Which is fine, if you happen to live in the States. But I was born and have been conditioned into the "Canadian" system, so I'm curious, is there anybody out there that has safely seized his/her freedom from the "Canadian" system that can help me seize my freedom?"
Frederick Mann: Your next step might be to re-read the materials at buildfreedom.com while looking for other "common threads" -- e.g., "What are the underlying principles?", "How can I apply this in Canada?", "How do I stop paying illegal taxes?", "How do I set myself up so that I can barter and trade without using federal cash?", etc.
Someone responded to the above message: "The only exposure I have had is to a book titled Take Your Money and Run that is freely available in bookstores in Canada."
Canadians Promoting Reform, Freedom, and/or Sovereignty
The Borrowers' Action Society: http://tgx.com/borrowers_action. BAS promoted truth in lending and justice for borrowers. Best known for its class action suits.
British Columbia Libertarian Party http://www.spinnaker.com/GVLA/bclp.html.
Canadian Association for Free Expression: http://canadafirst.net/cafe/.
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: http://www.policyalternatives.ca/ccpat.html. Best known for its publications Canadian Forum and The Monitor advocating monetary reform.
Canadian Libertarian Home Page The Canadian Libertarian Home Pages.
Canadian National Debt Clock: http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/cgi-bin/CanClock.cgi. This shows an up-to-the-minute estimate of the federal debt and has various related hot-links.
Canadian Property Rights Research Institute Canada Real Estate Canada Home Selling Canada Home Buying Canada Realty Canada Apartments For Rent Canada Condos Canada Land Canada commercial real estate.
Democracy Watch: http://www.web.net/dwatch/camp/bankdir.html. Consumer watchdog lobby group which has several campaigns including bank accountability.
Detax-Canada: DetaxCanada.
Enter Stage Right Enter Stage Right - A Journal of Modern Conservatism.
Fax the Feds: Net-efx.com - Las Vegas Resources and Information. This website is for sale!. Here's an activist's quickest way of faxing your favorite MP and getting involved in a boycott.
The Fraser Institute: The Fraser Institute - A free and prosperous world through choice, markets and responsbility. Free Market Solutions for Public Policy Problems.
FREEDOM-SITE: http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/.
Free Speech is the Issue: http://canadafirst.net/oliver/.
Freedom Party of Ontario http://www.freedomparty.org/.
Friends of Liberty: http://www.spinnaker.com/Amis_Liberte.
The Grand Barn The Grand Barn clothing optional camping and recreation,your ultimate freedom destination..
Libertarian Party of Canada Libertarian Party of Canada - Welcome.
Monetary Reform Magazine: http://www.monetary-reform.on.ca. Excellent reform magazine edited by Ian Woods in Canada.
Murray Gauvreau: Thirst for Justice — Canada's Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional.
The National Citizens' Coalition http://www.citizenscoalition.org/.
Ontario Libertarian Party The Ontario Libertarian Party Home Page.
Pierre Lemieux: Pierre Lemieux's web pages have moved -- check out his correspondence with terrocrats.
Patriots on Guard (Fred Kyburz): http://www.telusplanet.net/public/kyburz/.
Quackgrass Press: Quackgrass Press: Homepage.
Le Québécois Libre: http://www.colba.net/~libre.
The Right Ideology: The Right Ideology.
Shareholders of Canada Educational Initiative (Ottawa Chapter) P.O. Box 33059, Nepean, Ontario, K2C 3Y9 - Tel: 1.613.248.9831. Class action suit to challenge Revenue Canada Taxation -- Welcome to Cyberclass; follow the links: "Economics" to "Untax" to "Shareholders of Canada."
St. Lawrence Institute for the Advancement of Learning: St. Lawrence Institute.
Thirst for Justice: Thirst for Justice.
Tom J. Kennedy: Welcome to Cyberclass.
West Coast Libertarian Foundation: http://www.spinnaker.com/GVLA/gvla.html.
The Worldwide Affiliate Network The Worldwide Affiliate Network.
 
china
Conservative
#20
. If you expect freedom to be handed to you on a platter, you may have some self-development work to do. Letter from Someone Who's Done the Work
"Bravo, Bravo, Bravo!
Finally a man after my own heart. I was beginning to believe that I was the only one who thought like you. I live in B.C., Canada. You'll have to excuse my writing. It's 3:57 a.m. but I couldn't stop reading your literature. I too left "the system" in 1989 (never to return). You're right , most people are scared to death to attempt what you and I have accomplished with seemingly such ease. I have been chastised by others for having the BELIEFS and opinions that I have. My own mother called me "Pond Scum" because I have absolutely NO desire to follow the rest of the "SHEEPLE" and pay unconstitutional taxes.
Over the years I have tried to educate myself by learning certain case laws, the Canadian Constitution, British North American Act, The Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Income War Tax Act of 1917. It appears at this point I have enough ammunition to fend off the "Terrocrats" of which you speak. I have not "voluntered" to pay taxes nor have I filed since 1988.
They've contacted me twice in the last 8 months. Making their feeble attempts at extortion and coercion. Claiming that they were going to send out a "field investigator" to maybe do a search and seizure. I went ballistic on this individual, quoting section after subsection of MY rights. I think he's decided to leave me alone. Maybe it had something to do with my last statement to him: " Right now you're dealing with only one pissed off Canadian... If you insist on continuing your efforts against me...I 'll make a media event out of it... I'd love to be the one to educate the Canadian public and be the one who is soley responsible for having your *** fired."
I've often thought of making a business out of what I know with reference to "living outside the system" -- apparently you have. Unfortunately I have not read all the articles you have on your site... but I will! As I was reading your information, I couldn't stop laughing. I printed a great deal off and have sent it to my girlfriend who lives in another province. I asked her to read every word and then tell me who it reminds her of and who does she see. I know it will be me. She continues to tell me that I need to come above ground and get a real life. NOT IN THIS LIFETIME! Not under the current conditions. I will continue to read your info and I support you and your people 100% Do you know of anything like this in Canada? If not then maybe I should give serious consideration to starting something like this.
Should I find myself in the future with a web site... I'll be sure to display the green ribbon.
I wish you well!"
"Thunder Graham"
NOTE: The individual above seized his freedom without having read one word of the "buildfreedom" materials.
A Message From Another Visitor to buildfreedom.com:
"It has been about two weeks since I first happened upon Frederick Mann's webpage. I have read several of the reports up to #TL10. The common thread, that I have found, is how to leave the "American" system. Which is fine, if you happen to live in the States. But I was born and have been conditioned into the "Canadian" system, so I'm curious, is there anybody out there that has safely seized his/her freedom from the "Canadian" system that can help me seize my freedom?"
Frederick Mann: Your next step might be to re-read the materials at buildfreedom.com while looking for other "common threads" -- e.g., "What are the underlying principles?", "How can I apply this in Canada?", "How do I stop paying illegal taxes?", "How do I set myself up so that I can barter and trade without using federal cash?", etc.
Someone responded to the above message: "The only exposure I have had is to a book titled Take Your Money and Run that is freely available in bookstores in Canada."
Canadians Promoting Reform, Freedom, and/or Sovereignty
The Borrowers' Action Society: http://tgx.com/borrowers_action. BAS promoted truth in lending and justice for borrowers. Best known for its class action suits.
British Columbia Libertarian Party http://www.spinnaker.com/GVLA/bclp.html.
Canadian Association for Free Expression: http://canadafirst.net/cafe/.
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives: http://www.policyalternatives.ca/ccpat.html. Best known for its publications Canadian Forum and The Monitor advocating monetary reform.
Canadian Libertarian Home Page The Canadian Libertarian Home Pages.
Canadian National Debt Clock: http://www.cam.org/~mdavies/cgi-bin/CanClock.cgi. This shows an up-to-the-minute estimate of the federal debt and has various related hot-links.
Canadian Property Rights Research Institute Canada Real Estate Canada Home Selling Canada Home Buying Canada Realty Canada Apartments For Rent Canada Condos Canada Land Canada commercial real estate.
Democracy Watch: http://www.web.net/dwatch/camp/bankdir.html. Consumer watchdog lobby group which has several campaigns including bank accountability.
Detax-Canada: DetaxCanada.
Enter Stage Right Enter Stage Right - A Journal of Modern Conservatism.
Fax the Feds: Net-efx.com - Las Vegas Resources and Information. This website is for sale!. Here's an activist's quickest way of faxing your favorite MP and getting involved in a boycott.
The Fraser Institute: The Fraser Institute - A free and prosperous world through choice, markets and responsbility. Free Market Solutions for Public Policy Problems.
FREEDOM-SITE: http://www.ftcnet.com/~freedom/.
Free Speech is the Issue: http://canadafirst.net/oliver/.
Freedom Party of Ontario Freedom Party International: Home Page.
Friends of Liberty: http://www.spinnaker.com/Amis_Liberte.
The Grand Barn The Grand Barn clothing optional camping and recreation,your ultimate freedom destination..
Libertarian Party of Canada Libertarian Party of Canada - Welcome.
Monetary Reform Magazine: http://www.monetary-reform.on.ca. Excellent reform magazine edited by Ian Woods in Canada.
Murray Gauvreau: Thirst for Justice — Canada's Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional.
The National Citizens' Coalition http://www.citizenscoalition.org/.
Ontario Libertarian Party The Ontario Libertarian Party Home Page.
Pierre Lemieux: Pierre Lemieux's web pages have moved -- check out his correspondence with terrocrats.
Patriots on Guard (Fred Kyburz): http://www.telusplanet.net/public/kyburz/.
Quackgrass Press: Quackgrass Press: Homepage.
Le Québécois Libre: http://www.colba.net/~libre.
The Right Ideology: The Right Ideology.
Shareholders of Canada Educational Initiative (Ottawa Chapter) P.O. Box 33059, Nepean, Ontario, K2C 3Y9 - Tel: 1.613.248.9831. Class action suit to challenge Revenue Canada Taxation -- Welcome to Cyberclass; follow the links: "Economics" to "Untax" to "Shareholders of Canada."
St. Lawrence Institute for the Advancement of Learning: St. Lawrence Institute.
Thirst for Justice: Thirst for Justice.
Tom J. Kennedy: Welcome to Cyberclass.
West Coast Libertarian Foundation: http://www.spinnaker.com/GVLA/gvla.html.
The Worldwide Affiliate Network The Worldwide Affiliate Network.
 
china
Conservative
#21
The Alberta Agenda
Hon. Ralph Klein,
Premier of Alberta,
Edmonton
Dear Premier Klein,
During and since the recent federal election, we have been among a large number of Albertans discussing the future of our province. We are not dismayed by the outcome of the election so much as by the strategy employed by the current federal government to secure its re-election. In our view, the Chretien government undertook a series of attacks not merely designed to defeat its partisan opponents, but to marginalize Alberta and Albertans within Canada’s political system.
One well-documented incident was the attack against Alberta’s health care system. To your credit, you vehemently protested the unprecedented attack ads that the federal government launched against Alberta’s policies – policies the Prime Minister had previously found no fault with.
However, while your protest was necessary and appreciated by Albertans, we believe that it is not enough to respond only with protests. If the government in Ottawa concludes that Alberta is a soft target, we will be subjected to much worse than dishonest television ads. The Prime Minister has already signaled as much by announcing his so called “tough love” campaign for the West.
We believe the time has come for Albertans to take greater charge of our own future. This means resuming control of the powers that we possess under the constitution of Canada but that we have allowed the federal government to exercise. Intelligent use of these powers will help Alberta build a prosperous future in spite of a misguided and increasingly hostile government in Ottawa.
Under the heading of the “Alberta Agenda,” we propose that our province move forward on the following fronts:
  • Withdraw from the Canada Pension Plan to create an Alberta Pension Plan offering the same benefits at lower cost while giving Alberta control over the investment fund. Pensions are a provincial responsibility under section 94A of the Constitution Act. 1867; and the legislation setting up the Canada Pension Plan permits a province to run its own plan, as Quebec has done from the beginning. If Quebec can do it, why not Alberta?
  • Collect our own revenue from personal income tax, as we already do for corporate income tax. Now that your government has made the historic innovation of the single-rate personal income tax, there is no reason to have Ottawa collect our revenue. Any incremental cost of collecting our own personal income tax would be far outweighed by the policy flexibility that Alberta would gain, as Quebec’s experience has shown.
  • Start preparing now to let the contract with the RCMP run out in 2012 and create an Alberta Provincial Police Force. Alberta is a major province. Like the other major provinces of Ontario and Quebec, we should have our own provincial police force. We have no doubt that Alberta can run a more efficient and effective police force than Ottawa can – one that will not be misused as a laboratory for experiments in social engineering.
  • Resume provincial responsibility for health-care policy. If Ottawa objects to provincial policy, fight in the courts. If we lose, we can afford the financial penalties that Ottawa may try to impose under the Canada Health Act. Albertans deserve better than the long waiting periods and technological backwardness that are rapidly coming to characterize Canadian medicine. Alberta should also argue that each province should raise its own revenue for health care – i.e., replace Canada Health and Social Transfer cash with tax points as Quebec has argued for many years. Poorer provinces would continue to rely on Equalization to ensure they have adequate revenues.
  • Use section 88 of the Supreme Court’s decision in the Quebec Secession Reference to force Senate reform back onto the national agenda. Our reading of that decision is that the federal government and other provinces must seriously consider a proposal for constitutional reform endorsed by “a clear majority on a clear question” in a provincial referendum. You acted decisively once before to hold a senatorial election. Now is the time to drive the issue further.
All of these steps can be taken using the constitutional powers that Alberta now possesses. In addition, we believe it is imperative for you to take all possible political and legal measures to reduce the financial drain on Alberta caused by Canada’s tax-and-transfer system. The most recent Alberta Treasury estimates are that Albertans transfer $2,600 per capita annually to other Canadians, for a total outflow from our province approaching $8 billion a year. The same federal politicians who accuse us of not sharing their “Canadian values” have no compunction about appropriating our Canadian dollars to buy votes elsewhere in the country.
Mr. Premier, we acknowledge the constructive reforms that your government made in the 1990s—balancing the budget, paying down the provincial debt, privatizing government services, getting Albertans off welfare and into jobs, introducing a single-rate tax, pulling government out of the business of subsidizing business, and many other beneficial changes. But no government can rest on its laurels. An economic slowdown, and perhaps even recession, threatens North America, the government in Ottawa will be tempted to take advantage of Alberta’s prosperity, to redistribute income from Alberta to residents of other provinces in order to keep itself in power. It is imperative to take the initiative, to build firewalls around Alberta, to limit the extent to which an aggressive and hostile federal government can encroach upon legitimate provincial jurisdiction.
Once Alberta’s position is secured, only our imagination will limit the prospects for extending the reform agenda that your government undertook eight years ago. To cite only a few examples, lower taxes will unleash the energies of the private sector, easing conditions for Charter Schools will help individual freedom and improve public education, and greater use of the referendum and initiative will bring Albertans into closer touch with their own government.
The precondition for the success of this Alberta Agenda is the exercise of all our legitimate provincial jurisdictions under the constitution of Canada. Starting to act now will secure the future for all Albertans.
Sincerely yours,
Stephen HARPER, President, National Citizen’s Coalition;
Tom FLANAGAN, professor of political science and former Direct of Research, Reform Party of Canada;
Ted MORTON, professor political science and Alberta Senator-elect;
Rainer KNOPFF, professor of political science;
Andrew CROOKS, Chairman, Canadian Taxpayers Federation;
Ken BOESSENKOOL, former policy advisor to Stockwell Day, Treasurer of Alberta.
This letter represents the personal views of its authors and not those of any organizations with which they are or have been connected.
 
china
Conservative
#22
Never Pay Income Tax in Canada... Again [Archive] - RedFlagDeals ...
 
china
Conservative
#23
Freedom Party of Canada: Party Policies
 
Liberalman
#24
China

The provinces don’t do their own income taxes are that it is expensive to administer to lower population provinces like Alberta.

Taxpayers are always complaining that that they want less government to put in the income tax into provinces for individual taxes would dramatically increase the cost to the taxpayer of the provinces.

The provinces take care of corporate taxes because businesses make more money than the individuals.

The individual taxpayers would resent this because they would have to fill out two tax returns one for the province and the other to the federal government like they do in Quebec.

I am sure if the provinces tell the government of Canada that they will be doing their own provincial income taxes the federal government would be happy to hand that over and the feds can save money.
 
china
Conservative
#25
Quote: Originally Posted by LiberalmanView Post

China

The provinces don’t do their own income taxes are that it is expensive to administer to lower population provinces like Alberta.

Taxpayers are always complaining that that they want less government to put in the income tax into provinces for individual taxes would dramatically increase the cost to the taxpayer of the provinces.

The provinces take care of corporate taxes because businesses make more money than the individuals.

The individual taxpayers would resent this because they would have to fill out two tax returns one for the province and the other to the federal government like they do in Quebec.

I am sure if the provinces tell the government of Canada that they will be doing their own provincial income taxes the federal government would be happy to hand that over and the feds can save money.

What a liberal crap ....
 
Liberalman
#26
Oh China

I did not know you couldn’t handle the truth, which brings me to believe that you don't read the long posts that you copy off the anti-Canadian revolutionary web sites you don't read, most of the links you post don’t work.

You need to come back to Canada and embrace the Canadian flag.

You need to come home and get recharged with good Canadian values so you will be strong enough to ward off the Chinese influence that you have to endure on a daily bases.

You must come back to Canada before you fall into the abyss.
 
china
Conservative
#27
Liberalman

Quote:

I did not know you couldn’t handle the truth,

....... the "Truth" and the "Liberals" these are two opposite terms.
Quote:

You need to come back to Canada and embrace the Canadian flag.

A Canadian flag is hanging in my bedroom; a place where I make the most important decisions.......if you know what I mean .

Quote:

You must come back to Canada before you fall into the abyss.

I'll make sure that I'll notify you if it occurs.
 
L Gilbert
No Party Affiliation
#28
I couldn't decipher half of what Liberalman said but I caught a few mentions of federal income tax and provincial income tax.
I have no idea about the ROC but BC and the federal income tax personal forms are blended and the feds collect and supposedly divy back the province's share to it.
 

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