A question for leftists in this forum: Am I a red neck?


View Poll Results: I'm a self-declared leftist and I would classify the belief system described here as:
red-neck. 1 10.00%
conservative but not red-neck. 1 10.00%
progressive. 2 20.00%
Other. 6 60.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

Machjo
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The term red neck is a common term of abuse used among the left to denigrate the right. Based on my understanding of people's use of the term, it implies an ignorant, heartless person whose views on law and order are strongly influcenced by religion though his views on war and economics tend to be driven primarily by nationalism.

Is this in fact correct?

If so, then would I be classified as a red neck according to the left? Some of my views would fall into that category, while others of my views would be progressive enough to make the NDP blush.

As for my more conservative views, I am:

pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage

My economic views are more capitalistic and conservative but not dogmatically so.

As for my more progressive views that would put even the NDP to shame, I'm in favour of:

a decentralized world federation with common citizenship
a world police force to gradually replace national military forces
a common world currency
a universal auxiliary language that is easy to learn by design and common a system of measurements, with all people free to learn the first language of their choice if a school is available.
global free trade
universal compulsory education
freedom of religious belief

So would you classify such a belief system as red-neck or progressive?
 
Spade
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#2
The acid tests!

Is your belt buckle bigger than your head?
Do you go to family reunions to meet girls?
Do you wear shoes just on Sundays when attending tent-revival meeting so you won't be bitten by the snakes??
Do you use "Ya'll" when talking to your hound?
Is your rifle more expensive than your wife's engagement ring?
Do you think Washington is in the "Yankee States of America"?
Do you think Grits are a breakfast cereal?
Can you name three foreign countries? Do you know at least one of their capitals?
Can you chew gum and whistle "Dixie" at the same time?
Did you vote for Harper?
 
lone wolf
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Do you like labels?
 
Machjo
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Hmmm... do I have to meet all the requirements, or just some of them?

My head is bigger than my belt-buckle.
I do go to family reunions to meet girls, but not for sex, just to say hi.
I wear boots in winter, not shoes, and I do wear them every time I step out the door.
I don't have hounds.
I have no rifle.
I'm divorced.
I know my geography well enough to meet all the crideria in the quesitons.
I know that a Grit isn't a breakfast cereal.
I can't whistle and chew gum at the same time.
I couldn't vote for Harper last election because he wasn't in my riding and i vote for candidates, not parties.

So I guess that makes me not a red-neck I suppose.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

Do you like labels?

Hmmm... I don't care much for labels, and insults generally just roll off my shoulders, but I would be surious to see how others would classify my beliefs. Leftist, rightist? How? Honestly, even I'm not too sure.

Labels to serve the advantage of expressing a complex idea conveniently without having to explain yourself every time.
 
Spade
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#6
You sound dag-nabbed liberal to me!
 
Machjo
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Actually, I'd be curious to know if others share similar views, with a mixture of very conservative and very progressive ideas. It always seems that it has to come in a package with minimal cross-polination.
 
lone wolf
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I'm middle-of-the-road and still have to explain myself every time in a fer-us-er-agin-us world....
 
Spade
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#9
Every person is a mix of contradictions. Labels force you into a mould which seldom fits. Cheers1
 
Kreskin
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What is a leftist?
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

You sound dag-nabbed liberal to me!

dag-nabbed? What does that mean?
 
Said1
Free Thinker
#12
You're all Liberals.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

What is a leftist?

Good question.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by Said1View Post

You're all Liberals.

How dare you type that with an upper-case L!

Lower-case l might be debatable. But upper-case L is quite the insult... lucky for you insuslts don't bother me anyway.
 
Spade
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

dag-nabbed? What does that mean?

You really aren't a red neck! It's a euphemism for "god damned."
 
Unforgiven
#16
I wouldn't say you are a red neck.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

You sound dag-nabbed liberal to me!

Oh, I'm a damned liberal am I?

How do you figure that?
 
Spade
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#18
You are!

YouTube - George Carlin - Euphemisms

My reasons follow!
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

You are!

YouTube - George Carlin - Euphemisms

My reasons follow!

Hmmm... I still don't get your reason, but good video.
 
Scott Free
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I thought a redneck was a farmer or rancher prone to sun burn (meaning they're probably rural and white).
Last edited by Scott Free; Dec 28th, 2008 at 04:24 PM..
 
Spade
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Labels are just words. They cannot describe your reality, or mine, or anyone's. You either buy into the baggage of a label or not. You either let it confine you, limit your thoughts, direct your beliefs, accept or reject others based on these labels, or you don't! It's up to you!
Just as liberal may not define you, neither does red neck. You simply are.
Last edited by Spade; Dec 28th, 2008 at 04:31 PM..Reason: spell
 
Spade
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#22
Scott Free is correct. Red-neck is a "sophisticate's" or urbanite's label for the poor white farmer (generally from the South) whose neck is burnt red from working his land. Then the baggage tumbles on!
 
karrie
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Isn't the evolution of an insult a neat thing to watch?

Red-neck. Many of the men in my family actually have them. From sun and alcohol. Farmers, oilpatch hands. Working class stiffs. No further education, aside from the odd boiler ticket, etc.

But the evolution of the thing... what a treat. To take everything that the 'upper class' don't like about these men who drive industry and agriculture, and turn it into an insult for anyone who doesn't meet the upper-class ideal. Those who are beneath, below, below, your way of thinking. It's bigoted, elitist, and downright ignorant.

Yet the origin, totally fine. The comedy clip included is a perfect commentary on it.
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Labels are just words. They cannot describe your reality, or mine, or anyone's. You either buy into the baggage of a label or not. You either let it confine you, limit your thoughts, direct your beliefs, accept or reject overs based on these labels, or you don't! It's up to you!
Just as liberal may not define you, neither does red neck. You simply are.

Now I understand. But we use words for communication. In that sence, 'dog' is a label. But if I don't know your meaning of 'dog', then how are we to communicate?

Same here. I'm just curious to know how people define 'red-neck', or liberal, or even leftist in this foru. If I have a better understanding of the meanings people attribute to these terms, then I also have a better understanding of what they mean when they use them.

For instance, I thought that my beliefs in capital punishment in some cases, or in the sanctity of life at conception, or in my opposition to same-sex marriage would be defined by some as red-neck. When I realised that many did not opine that to be red-necked, then I understood that I was misunderstanding them. Now it appears that red-neck has less to do with political leanings and more lifestyle choices such as sleepin with yur sista, at least among peopel in this forum.

One person asked what is leftist. Good question. I've heard people use the term many times. But to understand what the person means, I have to know his definition of the term. One person called me liberal. Again, if his definition of the term and mine don't agree, then we can't undrstand one another using that term. We first have to agree on the meaning fo various words to understand each other, and in this sence it's worth asking people sometimes to know what they mean when they use certain terms.
 
Spade
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#25
The labels- liberal, conservative, socialist, capitalist, neo-conservative, fundamentalist - are so amorphous on forums such as these that they become epithets rather than descriptors.
 
Unforgiven
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Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Now I understand. But we use words for communication. In that sence, 'dog' is a label. But if I don't know your meaning of 'dog', then how are we to communicate?
Same here. I'm just curious to know how people define 'red-neck', or liberal, or even leftist in this foru. If I have a better understanding of the meanings people attribute to these terms, then I also have a better understanding of what they mean when they use them.
For instance, I thought that my beliefs in capital punishment in some cases, or in the sanctity of life at conception, or in my opposition to same-sex marriage would be defined by some as red-neck. When I realised that many did not opine that to be red-necked, then I understood that I was misunderstanding them. Now it appears that red-neck has less to do with political leanings and more lifestyle choices such as sleepin with yur sista, at least among peopel in this forum.
One person asked what is leftist. Good question. I've heard people use the term many times. But to understand what the person means, I have to know his definition of the term. One person called me liberal. Again, if his definition of the term and mine don't agree, then we can't undrstand one another using that term. We first have to agree on the meaning fo various words to understand each other, and in this sence it's worth asking people sometimes to know what they mean when they use certain terms.

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Four blind men encounter an elephant. One grabs the leg and is convinced it's a tree trunk. One holds the tail and thinks it's a whip. Another touches the elephant's trunk and decides it's a hose while the fourth man pats the side and is sure it's a wall. The wise man tells them, "All of you are right."
 
Tyr
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#27
Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

The acid tests!

Is your belt buckle bigger than your head?
Do you go to family reunions to meet girls?
Do you wear shoes just on Sundays when attending tent-revival meeting so you won't be bitten by the snakes??
Do you use "Ya'll" when talking to your hound?
Is your rifle more expensive than your wife's engagement ring?
Do you think Washington is in the "Yankee States of America"?
Do you think Grits are a breakfast cereal?
Can you name three foreign countries? Do you know at least one of their capitals?
Can you chew gum and whistle "Dixie" at the same time?
Did you vote for Harper?

cont'd

Is there a partialy disassembled 1970's washing machine in your front yard?
Is there morwe than twenty used tires scattered about your property?
Did you and your neighbour split on a 5 gallon container of paint for your trailer homes?
Do you have a George Wallace campaign button?
 
Tyr
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#28
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

The term red neck is a common term of abuse used among the left to denigrate the right. Based on my understanding of people's use of the term, it implies an ignorant, heartless person whose views on law and order are strongly influcenced by religion though his views on war and economics tend to be driven primarily by nationalism.

Is this in fact correct?

If so, then would I be classified as a red neck according to the left? Some of my views would fall into that category, while others of my views would be progressive enough to make the NDP blush.

As for my more conservative views, I am:

pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage

My economic views are more capitalistic and conservative but not dogmatically so.

As for my more progressive views that would put even the NDP to shame, I'm in favour of:

a decentralized world federation with common citizenship
a world police force to gradually replace national military forces
a common world currency
a universal auxiliary language that is easy to learn by design and common a system of measurements, with all people free to learn the first language of their choice if a school is available.
global free trade
universal compulsory education
freedom of religious belief

So would you classify such a belief system as red-neck or progressive?

"it implies an ignorant, heartless person whose views on law and order are strongly influcenced by religion though his views on war and economics tend to be driven primarily by nationalism."

I wouldn't say heartless, just misguided

As for my more conservative views, I am:

pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage

Being prolife and pro capital punishment is an oxymoron. People who ascribe to both tend to be heavily influenced by what they read and view and have shallow perceptions of true moral or ethical issues

So would you classify such a belief system as red-neck or progressive?

A NeoConservative. Rednecks don't use computers
 
Tyr
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Quote: Originally Posted by KreskinView Post

What is a leftist?

Anyone who doesn't believe in the screed of Sen. Joseph McCarthy.
Someone who thinks Rush Limbaugh is mentally challenged
Someone who picks up a book by Anne Coulter and their hands start to burn
anybody who believes Bill O'Reilly is a study in dementia

it goes on and on
 
Machjo
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Quote: Originally Posted by TyrView Post

"it implies an ignorant, heartless person whose views on law and order are strongly influcenced by religion though his views on war and economics tend to be driven primarily by nationalism."

I wouldn't say heartless, just misguided

As for my more conservative views, I am:

pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage

Being prolife and pro capital punishment is an oxymoron. People who ascribe to both tend to be heavily influenced by what they read and view and have shallow perceptions of true moral or ethical issues

So would you classify such a belief system as red-neck or progressive?

A NeoConservative. Rednecks don't use computers

A neo-conservative world federalist? That's new; never thought it was possible.

I'm enjoying this thread. Some would classify me as liberal, and now I have neo-conservative. But at least it's clear that I'm no red-neck.
 

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