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View Poll Results: I'm a self-declared leftist and I would classify the belief system described here as:
red-neck. 1 10.00%
conservative but not red-neck. 1 10.00%
progressive. 2 20.00%
Other. 6 60.00%
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Dec 28th, 2008
Quoting Machjo
A neo-conservative world federalist? That's new; never thought it was possible.

I'm enjoying this thread. Some would classify me as liberal, and now I have neo-conservative. But at least it's clear that I'm no red-neck.
You must be a bit of a dufus if you have to ask other people what you are.
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You must be a bit of a dufus if you have to ask other people what you are.
I do know what I believe, but just am not sure how my beliefs would be categorized by the general public. If I want to know how the general public would categorize these beliefs, then the best thing to do is ask
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I do know what I believe, but just am not sure how my beliefs would be categorized by the general public. If I want to know how the general public would categorize these beliefs, then the best thing to do is ask
I can see the appeal but really, who cares what anybody else thinks? Other people can only see you through the filters of their own perception of themselves so really, their opinion is just about themselves. And most people are not happy with who they think they are. The only logical place to be is comfortable with your own self image.
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I can see the appeal but really, who cares what anybody else thinks? Other people can only see you through the filters of their own perception of themselves so really, their opinion is just about themselves. And most people are not happy with who they think they are. The only logical place to be is comfortable with your own self image.
I'm quite happy with my own self image. Perhaps this is the misunderstanding. I'm asking the quesiton more to know you than to know myself. Of course your answers will say nothing about me. But they will say something about you. If you say the ideas are presented are liberal, then I know something bout you, how you perceive my ideas. If you say my ideas are neo-con, again I learn something about you, not me.

That was the whole point of this, not to know myself better, but to know you better. What makes you think I was trying to learn something about me through this?
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That was the whole point of this, not to know myself better, but to know you better. What makes you think I was trying to learn something about me through this?

Uuuh, because you asked what we thought of your beliefs. To tell you the truth, I don't categorize anybody's beliefs. When I offer my opinion on any subject it just to present a different perspective. I never expect anyone to change their beliefs or to express a truth. To me, anything anybody says is just opinion. I find that interesting in itself. It allows my to assess my own opinions using others as a mirror.
When it comes to politics, the NDP look right wing from where I stand. I believe all life is sacred so abortion sits somewhere between slaughter houses and capital punishment but then I do not feel any impulse to force my views on anyone.
As a spiritual anarchist, I believe that everybody needs to come to their own conclusions based on a personal journey of self discovery but I don't know too many who bother. Most would prefer to have their opinions handed to them. But that is only my opinion based on my observation of human behaviour and from reading these forums.
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I'm a Redneck. Hard work doesn't scare me. I happened to have voted
Conservative in the last election. I live with a couple of dogs. I am neither
heartless or ignorant or overly influenced by any organized religion. My
views on Law&Order are based strongly on my sense of Right&Wrong,
and have nothing to do with religion. I am a Canadian. I'm against anyone
stepping on anyone else. To me, being called a Redneck isn't an insult at
all...unless it's thrown out by some thoughtless arsehole as an insult.

To me, a Redneck is someone who is ultimately resourceful, and willing to
make things work in tough situations using their resourcefulness, and their
own sweat to benefit themselves & their Families & their Friends. Being
called a Redneck, by a Redneck, is an honor. Anyone throwing out the
term Redneck as an insult (beside being just plain ignorant) had better be
sure of the crowd that their in. Just a word to the wise...







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The term red neck is a common term of abuse used among the left to denigrate the right.
Well... there's some truth in that statement, but it's not the whole story, or even most of the story. I find redneck is more often a kind of class distinction: people who consider themselves (usually quite unjustifiably, as it's based only on income, not quality) as being in the upper levels of the social scale use redneck to denigrate those they consider to be below them, and its general overtones suggest ignorance, lack of education, stupidity, lack of sophistication, lower incomes, thoughtless religious conservatism, rural living, stuff like that. But as Ron in Regina correctly pointed out, many people who choose to wear that label do it with pride, to them it means hard work, resourcefulness, independence, and other laudable values, and in my experience they *do* throw the best parties, as Ron's pictures suggest. Your views as you described them in the OP defy classification with a single label, and that's true of most people. I have some opinions that some would label redneck, and some opinions that others would label leftist, so do you, and so does everybody, except the ones who really *are* uneducated, ignorant, and stupid, who have no opinions worth taking seriously at all. And you're clearly not one of those.
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Quoting Ron in Regina
I'm a Redneck. Hard work doesn't scare me. I happened to have voted
Conservative in the last election. I live with a couple of dogs. I am neither
heartless or ignorant or overly influenced by any organized religion. My
views on Law&Order are based strongly on my sense of Right&Wrong,
and have nothing to do with religion. I am a Canadian. I'm against anyone
stepping on anyone else. To me, being called a Redneck isn't an insult at
all...unless it's thrown out by some thoughtless arsehole as an insult.

To me, a Redneck is someone who is ultimately resourceful, and willing to
make things work in tough situations using their resourcefulness, and their
own sweat to benefit themselves & their Families & their Friends. Being
called a Redneck, by a Redneck, is an honor. Anyone throwing out the
term Redneck as an insult (beside being just plain ignorant) had better be
sure of the crowd that their in. Just a word to the wise...







When I use the expression 'redneck', I am not describing 'you' at all. My vision
of a redneck is someone who is older, non flexible, know it all, stuck in his generation, a bit of a smoker/drinker/ball hat/plaid flannel shirt/ baggy jeans,
(although the kids have adopted them now)/beer drinking/pick up truck/(dually),poorly educated and shows it/(some poorly educated are very intelligent)/racist/hates gays/hates all politicians/(could describe many of us),
head of the house/(he thinks),/(but his wife is most likely a red neck too)/
dog in the back of the pick-up/(a mutt)/looks down on young people, will not
understand them and cannot understand them, thinks his generation is the best
one, and it has been downhill from there, according to him.
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Dec 29th, 2008
Ron in Regina,

Nice outhouse. I never had one that luxurious.

Interesting that everyone has a different definition of a red neck, even the self professed. I know it has changed for me as I went through different fazes of my life. Mostly now it has something to do with being stuck in the past.
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Dec 29th, 2008
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What is a leftist?

Thet ther be a fella what's lef one is bigger then whut he right one be.

Y'all.





Does anyone know what that intellectual gentleman in the plaid cut-off shirt and the Mohawk is doing or planning to do with that propane cylinder? Aside from refilling it to use as home (trailer) heating? His neck does not look too red. No doubt a theoretical mathematician.
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Dec 29th, 2008
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Does anyone know what that intellectual gentleman in the plaid cut-off shirt and the Mohawk is doing or planning to do with that propane cylinder? Aside from refilling it to use as home (trailer) heating? His neck does not look too red. No doubt a theoretical mathematician.
Now, if both sides of his head were shaved revealing an aesthetic for symmetry, then, perhaps, he may be a mathematician or theoretical physicist examining the origins of the Big Bang.

However, assuming that he sports a Mohawk with both sides of his head shaved in the same manner (though mirror images of each other) is a bit of a leap, I must say! All one can say from the photograph is that the right side of his head is shaved. One cannot assume the left side is trimmed as well!

As a result, he well might be a mathematician or a theoretical physicist. But it is just as likely he is a pastor of the Church of Half Wits who shave half their heads as a religious symbol. I lean towards the latter, as he is holding their sacred candle lighter!
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Dec 29th, 2008
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The term red neck is a common term of abuse used among the left to denigrate the right. Based on my understanding of people's use of the term, it implies an ignorant, heartless person whose views on law and order are strongly influcenced by religion though his views on war and economics tend to be driven primarily by nationalism.

Is this in fact correct?

If so, then would I be classified as a red neck according to the left? Some of my views would fall into that category, while others of my views would be progressive enough to make the NDP blush.

As for my more conservative views, I am:

pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage

My economic views are more capitalistic and conservative but not dogmatically so.

As for my more progressive views that would put even the NDP to shame, I'm in favour of:

a decentralized world federation with common citizenship
a world police force to gradually replace national military forces
a common world currency
a universal auxiliary language that is easy to learn by design and common a system of measurements, with all people free to learn the first language of their choice if a school is available.
global free trade
universal compulsory education
freedom of religious belief

So would you classify such a belief system as red-neck or progressive?
"pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases
pro-opposite-sex marriage"-
For starters there's nothing wrong with those three things. There's a lot of B.S. circulated around the term "Red neck"- mainly by self-perceived sophisticates who are not sophisticated at all, but are down right ignorant in that they laugh at other people's life styles. There's nothing wrong with fishing while drinking beer, there's nothing wrong with a guy fishing while his wife is cleaning them. There's nothing wrong with home made contrivances made with recycling in mind and saving money. Only a very ignorant person goes out and buys an "elite" name brand for big bucks to prove himself to the Joneses.
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pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases

bit of an oxymoron putting those two together don't ya think?
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Dec 29th, 2008
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I'm middle-of-the-road and still have to explain myself every time in a fer-us-er-agin-us world....
..... and be labeled as rightist by leftists and leftist by rightists, hated by both, etc. lol
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I do know what I believe, but just am not sure how my beliefs would be categorized by the general public. If I want to know how the general public would categorize these beliefs, then the best thing to do is ask
ok I think you are impractically ideologically idealistic.
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pro-life
pro-capital punishment in some cases

bit of an oxymoron putting those two together don't ya think?
Perhaps but in different circumstances- pro life for innocents, pro hanging for Olson and Bernardo- I can live with that, Cliff.
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Hmmm... I don't care much for labels, and insults generally just roll off my shoulders, but I would be surious to see how others would classify my beliefs. Leftist, rightist? How? Honestly, even I'm not too sure.

Labels to serve the advantage of expressing a complex idea conveniently without having to explain yourself every time.

It sounds to me like you are somewhere around the center of the spectrum but given the examples of what you believe in, you sway more towards the left. You are a center-leftist overall...
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To me, a redneck is someone who bases his life on archaic traditions, refuses to accept progress, refuses to respect the rights of people outside of his age group or ethnic background.... Someone who still thinks that women should be barefeet in the kitchen cooking and taking care of kids all day.. Someone who knows nothing outside his hometown and province... Someone who judges people... Someone who is named Clevius and likes to ride cattle... Someone who thinks that they are better because they have money... Someone who complains about injecting money into social programs...

This is what a true redneck is...

This desciption fits so many...
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ok I think you are impractically ideologically idealistic.
Now that's the kind of answer I want. So now I know at least compared to me you're just an unimaginative realist who believes that if it's never been done before, it can't be done in future either.
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Wonder if there is 'somewhere' to look up the meaning.
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A neo-conservative world federalist? That's new; never thought it was possible.

I'm enjoying this thread. Some would classify me as liberal, and now I have neo-conservative. But at least it's clear that I'm no red-neck.
A neo-conservative world federalist?

Your terminology. I'd cut it off at just plain "Neocon" (odd for someone from Orleans.... Most are French civil servants and Nationalists)
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Now, if both sides of his head were shaved revealing an aesthetic for symmetry, then, perhaps, he may be a mathematician or theoretical physicist examining the origins of the Big Bang.

However, assuming that he sports a Mohawk with both sides of his head shaved in the same manner (though mirror images of each other) is a bit of a leap, I must say! All one can say from the photograph is that the right side of his head is shaved. One cannot assume the left side is trimmed as well!

As a result, he well might be a mathematician or a theoretical physicist. But it is just as likely he is a pastor of the Church of Half Wits who shave half their heads as a religious symbol. I lean towards the latter, as he is holding their sacred candle lighter!

That's Funny! That intellectual gentleman in the plaid cut-off shirt and the Mohawk is 6'5" &
290lbs, and is about to throw that Propane Tank to win the Propane Tank-Toss Competition.
It's harder than it sounds, and requires explosive brute strength along with skill, as opposed to
the toilet-seat toss (for distance, not accuracy) which is all about skill and technique with a basic
understanding of aerodynamics.



My Son's natural complexion helps to prevent the red neck that many of us sport, but you can
rest assured that his Mohawk is pretty close to identical on both sides of his head. He may not
be a mathematician or theoretical physicist, but he's quite capable of delivering the Big Bang.



By the way, in the event that you missed it, that's me in the first photo, and my Son with the tank.
Those throwing out labels about what a "Redneck" is to them, might just ask someone who might
actually acknowledge that they are a Redneck, what a Redneck actually is. It's a mind-set that has
nothing to do with most of the assumptions made on this thread so far.



The assumptions being thrown out so far are based on parodies. Doesn't anyone else on this thread
find it ironic that, with all of the assumptions as to what a "Redneck" is to them, that nobody has
bothered to ask someone who claims to be a Redneck, what a Redneck really is?" Oh well...maybe
that's just my narrow-minded, uneducated, bigoted, unsophisticated, pick-up driving, beer swilling
mind set though. What do I know.
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To me, a redneck is someone who bases his life on archaic traditions, refuses to accept progress, refuses to respect the rights of people outside of his age group or ethnic background.... Someone who still thinks that women should be barefeet in the kitchen cooking and taking care of kids all day.. Someone who knows nothing outside his hometown and province... Someone who judges people... Someone who is named Clevius and likes to ride cattle... Someone who thinks that they are better because they have money... Someone who complains about injecting money into social programs...

This is what a true redneck is...

This desciption fits so many...

Check out the Heartless Redneck. Shame on her...Look at her blanket
(as opposed to her rings) and the blanket she chose to cover the old dog
(who she'd just met) with.



"To me, a redneck is someone who bases his life on archaic traditions,
refuses to accept progress, refuses to respect the rights of people
outside of his age group or ethnic background...." (???)





"To me, a redneck is someone who knows nothing outside his hometown
and province... Someone who judges people..." (???)

"Someone who thinks that they are better because they have money..." (???)

"Rednecks don't use computers." (???)

"To me, a redneck is someone who judges people..." (???)

For some on this forum, now might be a very good time to reassess where
your bigotry and elitism is coming from. Is it a reflection of your own fears
as to others perceive you? For those that claim that they may be this, that,
or the other thing, but thank God they're not a Redneck...all I can say is,
"Good!" I'm glad you do not wish to sully the Label with your own brand
of narrow minded stench. Thank You for that.
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To me, a redneck is someone who bases his life on archaic traditions, refuses to accept progress, refuses to respect the rights of people outside of his age group or ethnic background.... Someone who still thinks that women should be barefeet in the kitchen cooking and taking care of kids all day.. Someone who knows nothing outside his hometown and province... Someone who judges people... Someone who is named Clevius and likes to ride cattle... Someone who thinks that they are better because they have money... Someone who complains about injecting money into social programs...

This is what a true redneck is...

This desciption fits so many...
I like Rednecks, I dislike hypocrites.
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I think "redneck" has various definitions according to where you live in Canada/US. Around here in Toronto, I find most most people use it as a derogatory term to describe a white person.
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I think "redneck" has various definitions according to where you live in Canada/US. Around here in Toronto, I find most most people use it as a derogatory term to describe a white person.
DD, I've never heard the term used in Toronto as you describe...
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DD, I've never heard the term used in Toronto as you describe...
Depends on who you talk to I guess, it's not usually a term I would use but I have heard it from others. "redneck, hick, whitetrash etc etc"
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.......Here's a bunch of deffynishuns:
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And then there's the redneck comedian (rich too) who defines a redneck as someone whose outdoor furniture used to be his indoor furniture. eyuk eyuk

When I worked, I worked outdoors, and me neck was plenty red, and my arms, legs, etc. Big deal. Redneck = working man.......sure, why not.

Actually, I wouldn't get to pissy about being called a redneck, as we are all rednecks in the eyes of someone else. No? And who really gives a **** what someone else thinks. They don't have to live our lives.

Just me .02, again.

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