Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition, it's about time

Adriatik

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I just wanted to share with you my views on the power of democracy.

As we all know, the 3 opposition parties are going to vote against the mini-budget and overthrow the minority government of Stephen Harper.

This goes to show the power of democracy will prevail. What some are forgetting is that the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. So this means that 3 opposition parties elected by the MAJORITY of Canadians are going to kick a MINORITY government out. This is democracy folks. nothing undemocratic here.

I have read countless posts on CBC from whining right-wing Western Canadians and all I can do is laugh.

I can't wait until Monday when I'll be able to say: Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition!!
 

Trex

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I just wanted to share with you my views on the power of democracy.

As we all know, the 3 opposition parties are going to vote against the mini-budget and overthrow the minority government of Stephen Harper.

This goes to show the power of democracy will prevail. What some are forgetting is that the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. So this means that 3 opposition parties elected by the MAJORITY of Canadians are going to kick a MINORITY government out. This is democracy folks. nothing undemocratic here.


I have read countless posts on CBC from whining right-wing Western Canadians and all I can do is laugh.

I can't wait until Monday when I'll be able to say: Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition!!

Ummm.
We don't know that.
And its not that simple.

However it should be great entertainment

And yes your completely correct
It will be democracy at work.

Trex
 

Walter

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Long live the junta! Liberals and NDP plot to seize power, replace Harper
Posted: November 28, 2008, 12:35 PM by Kelly McParland

Even with all my powers of political mockery, I’m not sure I have the resources needed to adequately deride the notion of a coalition government toppling Stephen Harper and installing a Liberal prime minister in his place.

I’m going to try, but if I lack the vocabulary you’ll have to bear with me. I’ve sent off an emergency e-mail to Conrad Black in hopes he can furnish some sufficiently insulting terminology, but I’m not sure how often the prison goons let him at his computer.

So let’s begin. Is there in fact a putsch in the making? Hilarious as it may sound, there do appear to be discussions underway. Don Martin reported Thursday night that Jean Chretien had been hauled out of mothballs and delegated to broker a deal to get rid of Stephane Dion and put Michael Ignatieff or Bob Rae in his place. Canadian Press and other newspapers are saying Ed Broadbent has similarly been thawed out to negotiate on the NDP’s behalf. The CBC quoted sources close to Chretien as denying it all, but that just proves Chretien’s camp hasn’t lost the ability to fib with a straight face.

So what’s the deal going to be? Reports are all over the place, but everyone seems to agree none of the opposition parties is willing to serve under Mr. Dion. According to La Presse, Gilles Duceppe might be unwilling to serve under anyone (except possibly himself). That would seem to put paid to the coalition, but let’s not give up yet, or we'll spoil all the fun.

Who would lead the coalition, then? Through the mysterious process under which Ottawa’s press pack works, everyone has simultaneously reached the conclusion that it will have to be Michael Ignatieff. This is presumably based on the fact that, thus far in the leadership competition, the Liberal caucus seems to have more Ignatieffites than it does Raeites. It ignores Mr. Rae’s ego and the likelihood he didn’t get back into politics to play second fiddle to his old college room-mate. It likewise fails to account for the fact that, of the two, only Mr. Rae has ever run a party or led one through an election, a not-inconsiderable factor given the mess the Liberals are in and the fact they’d be going into an election without time to prepare a battle plan, organize a platform or raise any money. And, one other issue: Jean Chretien is known to be somewhat close to Power Corp; Bob Rae’s brother John is a senior executive at Power Corp., an ally of Chretien and an advisor and organizer for his brother. Not that blood ties or long-term political allegiances would ever come into it. Of course not.

But let’s say Ignatieff gets the nod. What’s he going to lead? A coalition including the NDP and the Bloc, either of which could team with the Tories at any moment to bring down the other two. So you have an inexperienced Liberal prime minister, trying to steer the country through the worst financial crisis in 70 years, while beholden to the separatists on a day to day basis just to survive. Oh yeah, that’ll work. Oh, and it will be popular with voters too. You bet.

And what would the justification be? Having entered into the spirit of make-believe pioneered by Finance Minister Jim Flaherty’s fiscal update -- which pulled numbers out of the air to support the contention that Canada might not be headed for recession -- the opposition have all agreed to pretend that the battle royal under way in Ottawa is all about the economy, and not about Harper putting a stop to public financing for political parties.

“This is not a stimulus package to kick-start the ailing Canadian economy. It is a failure for Canadians who need immediate and bold action,” NDP leader Jack Layton thundered. “There is nothing in today’s announcement that will create jobs, assist those thrown out of work or bolster consumer confidence.”

Right. And there shouldn’t be. Canada’s economy is a tenth the size of the U.S. A new, free-spending president is crafting a stimulus package in the range of $500-$800 billion, to be delivered immediately after he takes office on Jan. 20. For Ottawa to start throwing billions around without knowing what’s in that package would be irresponsible; $10 billion or $20 billion might be a lot for us, but it could quickly be rendered redundant by whatever Barack Obama unveils. Waiting is the right thing to do. For the opposition to claim otherwise, and defeat the Harper government on that basis, is either dishonest, or inept. I’m betting dishonest on the part of the Liberals, inept on the part of the NDP.

This is about party funding. Harper started the whole thing, softening up the opposition by publicly pleading for their co-operation in saving the economy, than ambushing them with his plan to shut off their access to millions of dollars in taxpayer funding. Now the opposition has joined enthusiastically in the fray. Nothing galvanizes politicians like a threat to their own interests, and while the Liberals might have grumbled a bit and approved Mr. Flaherty’s plans for the economy, they’re willing to throw the country into chaos to preserve their access to the public purse.
 

JLM

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I just wanted to share with you my views on the power of democracy.

As we all know, the 3 opposition parties are going to vote against the mini-budget and overthrow the minority government of Stephen Harper.

This goes to show the power of democracy will prevail. What some are forgetting is that the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. So this means that 3 opposition parties elected by the MAJORITY of Canadians are going to kick a MINORITY government out. This is democracy folks. nothing undemocratic here.

I have read countless posts on CBC from whining right-wing Western Canadians and all I can do is laugh.

I can't wait until Monday when I'll be able to say: Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition!!

I think we'd have to agree to disagree on this one. Conservatives outstripped bigtime any one of the other individual parties (which are not compatible under ordinary circumstances anyway). For those of us living west (and east) of Quebec the Bloc is a moot point anyway and without the Bloc the Liberals and N.D.P. are lame ducks. Flaherty is on the right track (entertaining the idea of deficit budgeting to provide the essentials, limiting raises to civil servants and putting an end to the nonsense of providing financial support for political parties. Hopefully Dion and Layton get over their whining and get down to reality. B.T.W. Harper isn't my first choice as P.M. (I'd feel a lot better if Martin was) but that's the best option we have right now.
 

Ron in Regina

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“This is not a stimulus package to kick-start the ailing Canadian economy. It is a failure for Canadians who need immediate and bold action,” NDP leader Jack Layton thundered. “There is nothing in today’s announcement that will create jobs, assist those thrown out of work or bolster consumer confidence.”

Right. And there shouldn’t be. Canada’s economy is a tenth the size of the U.S. A new, free-spending president is crafting a stimulus package in the range of $500-$800 billion, to be delivered immediately after he takes office on Jan. 20. For Ottawa to start throwing billions around without knowing what’s in that package would be irresponsible; $10 billion or $20 billion might be a lot for us, but it could quickly be rendered redundant by whatever Barack Obama unveils. Waiting is the right thing to do. For the opposition to claim otherwise, and defeat the Harper government on that basis, is either dishonest, or inept. I’m betting dishonest on the part of the Liberals, inept on the part of the NDP.

Again, as I've done on another Thread, I have to point out the timing. It's interesting.

If the Conservatives are toppled, and another election is called to take place within
the 37 or 39 day's or whatever that is....that puts the date right around Jan.20th/09
and with Obama taking the reins of power to the USA....and announcing his intentions
financially....and Canada will still have waited to see what the Americans will do before
committing to a plan of economic attack....and I don't think this was an accident at all.
 

Adriatik

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I think we'd have to agree to disagree on this one. Conservatives outstripped bigtime any one of the other individual parties (which are not compatible under ordinary circumstances anyway). For those of us living west (and east) of Quebec the Bloc is a moot point anyway and without the Bloc the Liberals and N.D.P. are lame ducks. Flaherty is on the right track (entertaining the idea of deficit budgeting to provide the essentials, limiting raises to civil servants and putting an end to the nonsense of providing financial support for political parties. Hopefully Dion and Layton get over their whining and get down to reality. B.T.W. Harper isn't my first choice as P.M. (I'd feel a lot better if Martin was) but that's the best option we have right now.

I agree with limiting raises for civil servants but stopping public grants for political parties clearly indicates that Harper is trying to eliminate his opponents.

We all know that if public grants stop, the NDP, Liberals and the Bloc will go bankrupt. The conservatives accept funding from the private sector (rich businessmen and corporations) which goes agaisnt what Canadians believe. The goal in having public funded parties is to eliminate the grasp that the rich and corporations have on Canadian politics. If we didn't have the federal grants for parties, Canada would be like the US and that's something Canadians don't want.

Harper knows damn well that his party would be the only survivor and this goes to show Harper's hidden extreme right-wing agenda. He wants all the power for himself... This is dangerous and undemocratic.
 

GroundWater

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Oct 27, 2008
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Don,t see how a back room coalition government is in any way democratic, we will be going back to the polls and we know the Liberals cannot afford it, looks like there will be a majority for the Conservitives
 

L Gilbert

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Personally I love the idea of a coalition gov't. Simply because sometimes more heads are better (two heads are better than one sort of idea). Unfortunately, having 2 or 3 pigs in the trough doesn't necessarily mean the food situation will get better. Liberals are spenders and if the federal NDP are anything like BC's NDP, the debt clock will start winding up again and I don't think increasing debt is particularly good.
 

lone wolf

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Nov 25, 2006
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Y'know ... I really do not like being talked down to like I'm some sort of stupid kid in the clipped tones that arrogant needle-nosed prick spoke on the TV news. He deserves to be smacked....
 

Risus

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I just wanted to share with you my views on the power of democracy.

As we all know, the 3 opposition parties are going to vote against the mini-budget and overthrow the minority government of Stephen Harper.

This goes to show the power of democracy will prevail. What some are forgetting is that the MAJORITY of Canadians did NOT VOTE FOR THE CONSERVATIVES. So this means that 3 opposition parties elected by the MAJORITY of Canadians are going to kick a MINORITY government out. This is democracy folks. nothing undemocratic here.

I have read countless posts on CBC from whining right-wing Western Canadians and all I can do is laugh.

I can't wait until Monday when I'll be able to say: Goodbye Conservatives and Hello Coalition!!
You are halucinating. Anyway do you want to be in bed with the bloc?
 

Adriatik

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You are halucinating. Anyway do you want to be in bed with the bloc?

Well even though I didn't vote for the Bloc in the last election, I still feel that they represent their electors. I feel better having The Liberals, NDP and Bloc cooperating than seeing a right-wing ***hole govern this country.

I think that Harper's days are counted and that he is against the ropes.

The last news indicates that Harper is acting like a coward and pushing back the dates for voting on his mini-budget and "opposition day" just to stay in power a month more. He is clearly in trouble.

Even if Harper tries to avoid the inevitable, the same result will occur... He's moving out of 24 Sussex before the end of '08!!

See ya Stephen!!
 

L Gilbert

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And the point to having a conversation with someone who is PMSing as much as you would be ..... ?

(My wife is making me edit this and apologize to any of the female persuasion and explain that I intended PMSing to mean throwing a tantrum and swearing and posting in dischord with the topic. :D
Kisses n hugs)
 

Socrates the Greek

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To all Conservatives and those who support them: Defeat tastes bad doesn't it? LOL. Pathetic losers...

The Coalition is coming on Monday and the Snow Whites are about to be loaded on the buss distend for Alberta.....Where they best belong......:lol::lol::lol:
 

Socrates the Greek

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That will only happen if Didi has all the kids show up for Romper Room. He has a history of squeaking out.

Good day LW the stakes are to high for him to stay home and besides behind closed doors probably as we speak Jean and Eddy are hatching out the details of the Coalition........The righting is on the wall....... Monday is not far.......we pout up with this f ucking bullies for too long even though they were in power for only 25 months, time to clean house from the smelly Cons....
 

Risus

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Well even though I didn't vote for the Bloc in the last election, I still feel that they represent their electors. I feel better having The Liberals, NDP and Bloc cooperating than seeing a right-wing ***hole govern this country.

I think that Harper's days are counted and that he is against the ropes.

The last news indicates that Harper is acting like a coward and pushing back the dates for voting on his mini-budget and "opposition day" just to stay in power a month more. He is clearly in trouble.

Even if Harper tries to avoid the inevitable, the same result will occur... He's moving out of 24 Sussex before the end of '08!!

See ya Stephen!!

LOL, dreaming again, eh?