Conservative? Be afraid, very afraid!

Trex

Electoral Member
Apr 4, 2007
917
31
28
Hither and yon
On another thread I made a post how I felt it was incomprehensible that a Canadian coalition government could be formed.
It may have been an ill advised post.
Maybe it could happen.
Historically it has happened once.
I 1917 and because of the onset of the WW! The Libs and Con formed a coalition government .
As soon as the war ended the coalition stepped down and elections were held.

Minority governments in Canada have been brought down by a non-confidence vote several times in the past.
It always results in a general election.
How then could a coalition party seize power?
It doesn’t seem possible.

Here’s how.

Jean Chrétien is leading the charge.
Jean Chrétien is one of the most effective and vicious political infighters in Canadian history.
Bar none.
This is the same Jean Chrétien of the redbook, the sponsorship scandal and the Grand- Mere golf course and not a bit of it stuck.
This guy believes in the “Nuke the entire planet” school of politics.

Harper and the Con’s?
Chrétien eats guys like that for breakfast, knocks off for nine holes and makes it back to the throne for a little ring -kissing before cocktails.
But there is no way Chrétien can do it alone.

Enter Ed Broadbent.
A smart guy.
Well respected to boot.

So how could it work?

On the Liberal front it means behind the scenes the old Chretienites have seized control and the last of the Martinites have been thrown under the bus.
Dion is a left wing puppet and smart enough to get out of the way.
Iggy as a fiscally responsible politician must be toast.
Politically he must have had his throat slit.

Bob would buy into it as heading into left field, that works for him every time.
As long as everyone on board understands it’s a puppet government with Chrétien controlling the Liberal party between rounds of golf, it flies.

On the NDP front.
Ed Broadbent has the respect of Canadians.
It’s a fact.
Jack can probable can be convinced that for the good of the party he needs to get out of the way.
Let Ed take the helm behind the scenes.
What does Ed need?
Massive spending, huge bailouts, increased taxes, nationalize the auto sector.
Move the country hard left.
National debt, through the roof…..put the bankrupt Americans to shame.
Jack can work with that.
Would Jean Chrétien give them that?…..in a New York second.

What about the Bloq.
The Bloq couldn’t give two figs about Canada.
You just buy the Bloq.
They need to get considerably more than their fair share.
Once they get that, they are good to go.
Would Jean give them that?.......Why even ask the question?

So it becomes a bit like Russia with Putin pulling all the strings and Medvedev dancing in time to the music.
Except we get to watch it at home.

So how does it happen?

The opposition pulls the plug.
They probably have “unofficially” had talks with Michelle Jean and hubby Jean Daniel.
She’s a Liberal and he is a well known separatist.
Possibly with enough support she could allow a coalition government.
If it had broad support, why not?
Its all a question of marketing.
.
And if that don’t fly?

If the coalition can pin the election on the Conservatives.
Due to lack of action about the recession.
Promise the union, manufactures and autoworkers their jobs.
Huge increases in spending in Ontario and Quebec.
A few new taxes on the Alberta oil companies to help out.
Can Chrétien sell that?

In a heartbeat out east.

Deficit…….I don fears no steenkin deficeeits

God help us.
The taxes and debts will be unimaginable.
Trex
 

Socrates the Greek

I Remember them....
Apr 15, 2006
4,968
36
48
On another thread I made a post how I felt it was incomprehensible that a Canadian coalition government could be formed.
It may have been an ill advised post.
Maybe it could happen.
Historically it has happened once.
I 1917 and because of the onset of the WW! The Libs and Con formed a coalition government .
As soon as the war ended the coalition stepped down and elections were held.

Minority governments in Canada have been brought down by a non-confidence vote several times in the past.
It always results in a general election.
How then could a coalition party seize power?
It doesn’t seem possible.

Here’s how.

Jean Chrétien is leading the charge.
Jean Chrétien is one of the most effective and vicious political infighters in Canadian history.
Bar none.
This is the same Jean Chrétien of the redbook, the sponsorship scandal and the Grand- Mere golf course and not a bit of it stuck.
This guy believes in the “Nuke the entire planet” school of politics.

Harper and the Con’s?
Chrétien eats guys like that for breakfast, knocks off for nine holes and makes it back to the throne for a little ring -kissing before cocktails.
But there is no way Chrétien can do it alone.

Enter Ed Broadbent.
A smart guy.
Well respected to boot.

So how could it work?

On the Liberal front it means behind the scenes the old Chretienites have seized control and the last of the Martinites have been thrown under the bus.
Dion is a left wing puppet and smart enough to get out of the way.
Iggy as a fiscally responsible politician must be toast.
Politically he must have had his throat slit.

Bob would buy into it as heading into left field, that works for him every time.
As long as everyone on board understands it’s a puppet government with Chrétien controlling the Liberal party between rounds of golf, it flies.

On the NDP front.
Ed Broadbent has the respect of Canadians.
It’s a fact.
Jack can probable can be convinced that for the good of the party he needs to get out of the way.
Let Ed take the helm behind the scenes.
What does Ed need?
Massive spending, huge bailouts, increased taxes, nationalize the auto sector.
Move the country hard left.
National debt, through the roof…..put the bankrupt Americans to shame.
Jack can work with that.
Would Jean Chrétien give them that?…..in a New York second.

What about the Bloq.
The Bloq couldn’t give two figs about Canada.
You just buy the Bloq.
They need to get considerably more than their fair share.
Once they get that, they are good to go.
Would Jean give them that?.......Why even ask the question?

So it becomes a bit like Russia with Putin pulling all the strings and Medvedev dancing in time to the music.
Except we get to watch it at home.

So how does it happen?

The opposition pulls the plug.
They probably have “unofficially” had talks with Michelle Jean and hubby Jean Daniel.
She’s a Liberal and he is a well known separatist.
Possibly with enough support she could allow a coalition government.
If it had broad support, why not?
Its all a question of marketing.
.
And if that don’t fly?

If the coalition can pin the election on the Conservatives.
Due to lack of action about the recession.
Promise the union, manufactures and autoworkers their jobs.
Huge increases in spending in Ontario and Quebec.
A few new taxes on the Alberta oil companies to help out.
Can Chrétien sell that?

In a heartbeat out east.

Deficit…….I don fears no steenkin deficeeits

God help us.
The taxes and debts will be unimaginable.
Trex

Good day to you Trex. the other day you were throwing rocks at me, to day you are askind God to help us.......Man oh Man:roll:
 
Last edited:

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
The Bloc is coming....you read it here.

Scratch, I don’t see the Bloc being part of any government, that would be totally against the nature of the party. However, I can see the Bloc supporting the coalition on an issue by issue basis. Bloc doesn’t want an early election any more than any other parties do.

If a coalition is formed, I assume its first task will be to approve a stimulus package (which would be arrived at by negotiations between Lib, Bloc and NDP).

Once that is done, the coalition will get on with the task of governing. If they can pass the budget in 2009 with the support of the Bloc, they stay in power at least until 2010.

However, the success of the coalition will very much depend upon who leads it.
 

SirJosephPorter

Time Out
Nov 7, 2008
11,956
56
48
Ontario
Jack can probable can be convinced that for the good of the party he needs to get out of the way.
Let Ed take the helm behind the scenes.


Trex, why would Jack necessarily have to step out of the way? The idea of Prime Minister Jack Layton is not totally out of the question.

I personally don’t see that happening, but nothing says that in a coalition, the PM has to come from the Liberal party. In European countries, where coalition government is the order of the day (due to proportional representation, there may be as many as five or six parties in a coalition); the leader of the biggest party doesn’t always get to be the Prime Minister.

[FONT=&quot]So again, I don’t see it happening, but don’t rule it out completely.[/FONT]
 

Colpy

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 5, 2005
21,887
847
113
69
Saint John, N.B.
Jack can probable can be convinced that for the good of the party he needs to get out of the way.
Let Ed take the helm behind the scenes.

Trex, why would Jack necessarily have to step out of the way? The idea of Prime Minister Jack Layton is not totally out of the question.

I personally don’t see that happening, but nothing says that in a coalition, the PM has to come from the Liberal party. In European countries, where coalition government is the order of the day (due to proportional representation, there may be as many as five or six parties in a coalition); the leader of the biggest party doesn’t always get to be the Prime Minister.

[FONT=&quot]So again, I don’t see it happening, but don’t rule it out completely.[/FONT]

OMG! Canada led by the socialist equivalent of Pee Wee Herman!

Jack Layton is an IDIOT!!!!

At least Dion is just out of touch with reality.....Jack doesn't even acknowledge reality's existence!
 

Colpy

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 5, 2005
21,887
847
113
69
Saint John, N.B.
Scratch, I don’t see the Bloc being part of any government, that would be totally against the nature of the party. However, I can see the Bloc supporting the coalition on an issue by issue basis. Bloc doesn’t want an early election any more than any other parties do.

If a coalition is formed, I assume its first task will be to approve a stimulus package (which would be arrived at by negotiations between Lib, Bloc and NDP).

Once that is done, the coalition will get on with the task of governing. If they can pass the budget in 2009 with the support of the Bloc, they stay in power at least until 2010.

However, the success of the coalition will very much depend upon who leads it.

This is correct, and the problem.

The Bloc must remain insignificant, as it has been.

It was losing ground in Quebec,largely because Quebecers saw that it was not helping them on the federal level to have no power in Ottawa.

Now this bunch of drooling morons wants to start throwing the monster steaks......they will strengthen the Bloc immeasureably in Quebec.......seriously damaging the future of the nation.

Irresponsible.

You read it here first.
 

lone wolf

Grossly Underrated
Nov 25, 2006
32,493
210
63
In the bush near Sudbury
OMG! Canada led by the socialist equivalent of Pee Wee Herman!

Jack Layton is an IDIOT!!!!

At least Dion is just out of touch with reality.....Jack doesn't even acknowledge reality's existence!


Pee Wee Herman probably thinks one-track-mind, gun-worshipin' wannabe historians are idiots too....
 

Socrates the Greek

I Remember them....
Apr 15, 2006
4,968
36
48
Scratch, I don’t see the Bloc being part of any government, that would be totally against the nature of the party. However, I can see the Bloc supporting the coalition on an issue by issue basis. Bloc doesn’t want an early election any more than any other parties do.

If a coalition is formed, I assume its first task will be to approve a stimulus package (which would be arrived at by negotiations between Lib, Bloc and NDP).

Once that is done, the coalition will get on with the task of governing. If they can pass the budget in 2009 with the support of the Bloc, they stay in power at least until 2010.

However, the success of the coalition will very much depend upon who leads it.

For sure the Grits will lead the collision, and as for who will be the guy Egy could be the interim until the leadership convention, unless Martin puts the doe $90.000 and runs to be the forth candidate. Anything is possible..... But Harper to ever win a majority..
 

Trex

Electoral Member
Apr 4, 2007
917
31
28
Hither and yon
For sure the Grits will lead the collision, and as for who will be the guy Egy could be the interim until the leadership convention, unless Martin puts the doe $90.000 and runs to be the forth candidate. Anything is possible..... But Harper to ever win a majority..

Say what?

Babelfish hep me, hep me please?
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
23,217
8,055
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
Conservative? Be afraid, very afraid!

Pee Wee Herman probably thinks one-track-mind, gun-worshipin' wannabe historians are idiots too....

(When he's not whacking-off in movie theatres, or maybe during? I don't know...)