#1Nov 7th, 2008
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- Tyler
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Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
See event:
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I'm planning to go. Hope some of you will be there too.
- Tyler
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Blables.com - Get Smart, Sell Stuff
Conservative
#3
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
Bill Clinton is coming here for a lecture..we will be more than happy to arrange a trade with you.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by missile
Don't like Bill?Bill Clinton is coming here for a lecture..we will be more than happy to arrange a trade with you.
#6
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
OkayHe talks a lot and says nothing...
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#7
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
Nader......The guy that helped give us G.W. Bush for a second term..........I wouldn't walk across the street to listen to Nader.
Clinton on the other hand, is one of the best speakers in American politics.
Clinton on the other hand, is one of the best speakers in American politics.
#8
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
Thanks for the reply guys.
missile: where will Bill Clinton be going to?? I'd love to hear him talk, too.
juan: i agree Clinton is one of the best speakers in American politics. However, being extremely eloquent and persuasive does not correlate on how morale he is and how much he really cares about the nation's interests.
on the other hand, those who keeps whining about Nader giving GW a second term is hopelessly devoted to the two-party system, and not giving enough credit to the intelligence of the nation's voters.
missile: where will Bill Clinton be going to?? I'd love to hear him talk, too.
juan: i agree Clinton is one of the best speakers in American politics. However, being extremely eloquent and persuasive does not correlate on how morale he is and how much he really cares about the nation's interests.
on the other hand, those who keeps whining about Nader giving GW a second term is hopelessly devoted to the two-party system, and not giving enough credit to the intelligence of the nation's voters.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I would blame him more for giving Bush his first term. John Kerry was a moron and may be our new Secretary of State. Oh brother...please help us if he is.Nader......The guy that helped give us G.W. Bush for a second term..........I wouldn't walk across the street to listen to Nader.
Clinton on the other hand, is one of the best speakers in American politics.
Perot helped Clinton beat GW Sr. All's fair.
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#10
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Tyler
I think it is a fair comment that Nader couldn't get elected himself but he could certainly ruin it for Gore.Thanks for the reply guys.
missile: where will Bill Clinton be going to?? I'd love to hear him talk, too.
juan: i agree Clinton is one of the best speakers in American politics. However, being extremely eloquent and persuasive does not correlate on how morale he is and how much he really cares about the nation's interests. Bill Clinton, regardless whatever else he was, He balanced the books and built up a surplus. He obviously cared about the country. The morality of his private life is none of our business
on the other hand, those who keeps whining about Nader giving GW a second term is hopelessly devoted to the two-party system, and not giving enough credit to the intelligence of the nation's voters.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
Nadar absolutley ruined it for Gore. But Kerry...he's just a dope. We had the most unpopular seated President and Kerry still couldn't beat him. That shows you how much our nation thought of Kerry.I think it is a fair comment that Nader couldn't get elected himself but he could certainly ruin it for Gore.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Tyler
The trouble was the nation's voters had no intelligence...Thanks for the reply guys.
missile: where will Bill Clinton be going to?? I'd love to hear him talk, too.
juan: i agree Clinton is one of the best speakers in American politics. However, being extremely eloquent and persuasive does not correlate on how morale he is and how much he really cares about the nation's interests.
on the other hand, those who keeps whining about Nader giving GW a second term is hopelessly devoted to the two-party system, and not giving enough credit to the intelligence of the nation's voters.
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#13
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Here's another thing: I was in love with the latest of the Corvair Monza Spyder Turbo. Along trips Nader with his stupid book: "Unsafe at any speed" and GM folded up and cancelled one of the best cars they ever built.Nadar absolutley ruined it for Gore. But Kerry...he's just a dope. We had the most unpopular seated President and Kerry still couldn't beat him. That shows you how much our nation thought of Kerry.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
Juan, I agree with you completely on this one. That was a great car!Here's another thing: I was in love with the latest of the Corvair Monza Spyder Turbo. Along trips Nader with his stupid book: "Unsafe at any speed" and GM folded up and cancelled one of the best cars they ever built.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
Nice car, but did you really feel safe in it?Juan, I agree with you completely on this one. That was a great car!
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
Juan: " Bill Clinton, regardless whatever else he was, He balanced the books and built up a surplus. He obviously cared about the country. The morality of his private life is none of our business."
I suppose economically, he was good for the nation. I don't dispute that. However, he was also authorized military attack on Iraq. This was before 9/11, mind you. Dropping bombs on villages. His firm stance on the death penalty, which put many innocent people on death row. I wasn't referring to his morale on personal life. I couldn't care less about his interns.
Remember Hitler was also good for Germany, but was he good for the world?
I suppose economically, he was good for the nation. I don't dispute that. However, he was also authorized military attack on Iraq. This was before 9/11, mind you. Dropping bombs on villages. His firm stance on the death penalty, which put many innocent people on death row. I wasn't referring to his morale on personal life. I couldn't care less about his interns.
Remember Hitler was also good for Germany, but was he good for the world?
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by scratch
Believe it or not, the Corvair started out with almost the same suspension as the VW Beetle, swing axles and all, and that is what Nader was bitching about. That swing axle set-up didn't seem to hurt VW. Nader made a name for himself with his dopey book that was full of technical errors. In any case, the Corvair had a new suspension before the book came out and GM should have sued Nader.Nice car, but did you really feel safe in it?
The early Corvairs, if pushed to the limit through a bumpy corner, they could be a handful, just like the VW Beetle. How many Beetles were made??????
Free Thinker
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Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by scratch
My oldest Brother STILL drives one. With its Mid-Engine and rear wheel drive and the fact thatNice car, but did you really feel safe in it?
from the front bumper to the back of the passenger compartment it's built like a big toboggan,
the Corvair deals with prairie winters like very few two wheel drive cars ever made. In very
deep snow the front wheels may barely touch the road, but act like the ski's on a skidoo for
steering....and having the weight of the engine over over the rear drive wheels really keeps
you moving. You wouldn't BELIEVE where you can go in the snow with a Corvair.
Being a Mid-Engine car and driving it out on the highway, the engine noise is almost non-existant.
I feel very safe in a Corvair myself. In a front end collision, there's not a motor to come
through the firewall and crush your legs. To each their own though...
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in Regina
Exactly Ron. It was better than mid engine.. The engine was hung behind the rear axles like a Volkswagen. They were like a tractor in snowMy oldest Brother STILL drives one. With its Mid-Engine and rear wheel drive and the fact that
from the front bumper to the back of the passenger compartment it's built like a big toboggan,
the Corvair deals with prairie winters like very few two wheel drive cars ever made. In very
deep snow the front wheels may barely touch the road, but act like the ski's on a skidoo for
steering....and having the weight of the engine over over the rear drive wheels really keeps
you moving. You wouldn't BELIEVE where you can go in the snow with a Corvair.
Being a Mid-Engine car and driving it out on the highway, the engine noise is almost non-existant.
I feel very safe in a Corvair myself. In a front end collision, there's not a motor to come
through the firewall and crush your legs. To each their own though...
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I can recall a friend of mine putting a corvair engine in a VW years ago. It went like a bat out of hell...Exactly Ron. It was better than mid engine.. The engine was hung behind the rear axles like a Volkswagen. They were like a tractor in snow
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by Risus
It would go like hell. It had twice the horsepower and torque. I can recall a friend of mine putting a corvair engine in a VW years ago. It went like a bat out of hell...
There were some really weird Corvair engines in dragsters back in the seventies. With enough boost these engines could produce over six hundred hoersepower.
Republican
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
Yes he's a good speaker, but he's a lying sack of **** that nobody in their right mind would credit with five minutes of free ear. Nader at least still has his balls.Nader......The guy that helped give us G.W. Bush for a second term..........I wouldn't walk across the street to listen to Nader.
Clinton on the other hand, is one of the best speakers in American politics.
Republican
#23
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Ralph Nader Calls Obama "Uncle Tom"?
Video And Transcript
Fox News distorts Nader's comments to paint him as a racist
Fox News distorts Nader's comments to paint him as a racist
Posted November 07, 2008
Fox News: "Guess who's here? The Independent party candidate, Ralph Nader. This is his second run for the Presidency since he played spoiler in the close 2000 contest. This year he was on the ballot in 45 states plus D.C. This year he was polling about 1-percent. Ralph, you spoke to Fox News Radio's Houston affiliate today, and said this:"Nader: "To put it very simply, he is our first African American president; or he will be. And we wish him well. But his choice, basically, is whether he's going to be Uncle Sam for the people of this country, or Uncle Tom for the giant corporations".
Fox News: "Really. Ralph Nader -- What was that?"
Nader: "It's very simple. He has gone along with corporate power from the moment he entered politics in the State Senate -- Voted for the Wall Street Bailout -- Supports expanding military budget that is desired by the military industrial complex, and doesn't really have a tax reform thing for the ordinary fellow in this country -- Opposes single-payer full Medicare for all, because the giant HMOs AETNA and SIGNA do -- Doesn't have a living wage -- He's supposed to be respectful of the poor -- hardly mentions them in his speech -- It's all the middle class -- He doesn't have a comprehensive program..."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "... and you utter the words 'Uncle Tom'? Are you kidding me?"
Nader: "Yeah... that's the question he's gotta face."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "He didn't have to face it until it came out of your mouth! I mean, I just wonder if you don't realize that you had a number of supporters out there. You were running a percentage this year, you were reduced to irrelevant, and I just wonder now if that's what you want your legacy to be -- the man who, on the night that the first African American President in the history of this nation was elected, you ask if he's going to be Uncle Sam or Uncle Tom."
Nader: "Yeah, of course. He's turned his back on a hundred-million poor people in this country -- African Americans and Latinos and poor whites, and we're gonna hold them to a higher standard. It's just not an unprecedented career move, ya know, in the White House. We expect more of Barack Obama..."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "You were reduced to complete irrelevance here. You weren't able to play spoiler. Will you run again?"
Nader: "Look, I don't like bullies like you. I can't see you. You can pull the plug on me. I'm lookin' at a dark camera..."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "You said "Uncle Tom". I didn't say it, sir. With respect, I did not say it..."
Nader: "I said that's the question HE has to answer. He can become a great President, or he can become a toady for the corporate powers that have brought both parties to their knees against working people in this country, and have allowed our country to be hijacked by global corporations who have no allegiance to this country other than to ship its jobs and industries to fascist and communist dictators abroad who know how to keep their workers in their place. This is reality here. This is not show business. It's not celebrity politics. There are people suffering in this country, and we expect a great Presidency from Barack Obama, and we're gonna try to hold his feet to the fire..."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "I just wonder if, in hindsight, you wish you'd used a phrase other than Uncle Tom"?
Nader: "Not -- at all. Do you know what the historic...."
(Interrupted by Fox)
Fox News: "Fair enough. Thanks very much. We'll have a response from our panel in just a moment."
Nader: "Thank you..." [1]
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#24
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
If you want to read a bunch of lies, read, "Unsafe at any speed" by Nader.
Republican
#25
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008
It was like a wing at any speed and the front end would fold over your legs in a collision, it was an unstable vehicle early on.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 7th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Untrue DB. The Corvair was as safe as any car in the time period. Volkswagen, Renault. Simka, Fiats, and many other cars had rear engines and big, empty trunks in the front. Independant tests at the time showed the Corvair to be as safe as it's competitors.It was like a wing at any speed and the front end would fold over your legs in a collision, it was an unstable vehicle early on.
#27
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 8th, 2008
It's funny how this discussion has transformed into a debate of whether or not a car is safe.
I'm going to admit I don't know much about cars, but I think the standard of safety is a subjective one. A motorcycle may seem dangerous to one but not to another. I don't consider those as 'lies' even if you don't agree with them.
If nothing else, Nader devoted his life into putting seat belts into our cars. For those rebles out there who don't want to, you can choose not to wear one. (Really, it's not too hard to fool the cops that you are.) Personally, I think it's a good thing my car has seatbelts.
I don't agree with Clinton's actions. Yet, if he was in town, I'd be interested in what he has to say.
I think some of you are being a little self-righteous and jumping into conclusions that Mr. Nader is all no-good and nothing he says is of importance.
I'm glad the notification of his attendance stirred up some debates. People do need to think and discuss more issues. Juan, despite how I disagree with you, I think you are very knowledgeable and may perhaps share your point of view of why you think Nader's documentary is 'full of lies'.
Anyway, I'm not one to control the thread. However, my initial point was nothing more than an event notification. I'd really like to see more people who would find it worthwhile.
- Tyler
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I'm going to admit I don't know much about cars, but I think the standard of safety is a subjective one. A motorcycle may seem dangerous to one but not to another. I don't consider those as 'lies' even if you don't agree with them.
If nothing else, Nader devoted his life into putting seat belts into our cars. For those rebles out there who don't want to, you can choose not to wear one. (Really, it's not too hard to fool the cops that you are.) Personally, I think it's a good thing my car has seatbelts.
I don't agree with Clinton's actions. Yet, if he was in town, I'd be interested in what he has to say.
I think some of you are being a little self-righteous and jumping into conclusions that Mr. Nader is all no-good and nothing he says is of importance.
I'm glad the notification of his attendance stirred up some debates. People do need to think and discuss more issues. Juan, despite how I disagree with you, I think you are very knowledgeable and may perhaps share your point of view of why you think Nader's documentary is 'full of lies'.
Anyway, I'm not one to control the thread. However, my initial point was nothing more than an event notification. I'd really like to see more people who would find it worthwhile.
- Tyler
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Blables.com
Republican
#28
Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 8th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by #juan
I owned three of them and loved them. Nader didn't kill them, GM did.Untrue DB. The Corvair was as safe as any car in the time period. Volkswagen, Renault. Simka, Fiats, and many other cars had rear engines and big, empty trunks in the front. Independant tests at the time showed the Corvair to be as safe as it's competitors.
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Re: Ralph Nader coming to Canada!
Nov 8th, 2008Quote: Originally Posted by darkbeaver
Nader killed them by convincing enough people that the Corvair was unsafe and that down the road somewhere at the worst possible time it was going to fall apart. This is from a man with no technical training at all. A man who wasn't qualified to judge any car. Nader made a name for himself as some kind of consumer advocate but if you look at his book and his record, he was mostly interested in how much money he could make. He went on numerous radio and TV shows to sell his BS but he always demanded the money up front.I owned three of them and loved them. Nader didn't kill them, GM did.
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