Your thoughts on the election results?

Tresson

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Well my thoughts on the results in no particular order.

-Another minority government. Why do i have the feeling that we'll be back here in another 1 1/2 - 2 years?

-Harper will, most likely, still run the government as he had a majority.

-The liberals will continue to refrain from voting until they've elected a new leader.

-NDP comes out of this stronger but will have a hard time getting that to turn policy in their direction due to the conservative government.

-Dion is Dead Leader Walking. It's only a matter of time until he's gone. So will it be Rea, Ignotecich(sp?) or will Kenndy squeak through as the compermise candidate? Personally I think a person from the west might be the better choice.

-With the third failure to achieve a majority government I think some members of the conservative party will begin to sharpen their knives. I think it will be a race to see if the liberals with force another election or Harper is pull down from within.

-Layton comes out of this election looking stronger with their first riding in Quebec, (As it appears at the time of this writing.)

So what do you think?
 

lone wolf

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Nov 25, 2006
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Dion is putting a lot of weight on that botched CTV interview....

NDP cleaned up in Northern Ontario. My riding went NDP (I thought it would) Dianne Marleau lost to Thibeault - an NDP and Algoma, Manitoulin, Kapuskasing - a riding that has been Liberal since 1931 is NDP.
 
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Risus

Genius
May 24, 2006
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The results are about as I expected, I had hoped for a stronger Comservative showing in Quebec.
 

Kreskin

Doctor of Thinkology
Feb 23, 2006
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This country has never been in better shape than it has since electing a minority conservative government. It might not be pretty in parliament but I like the idea that no one is elected dictator. Good results.
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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This country has never been in better shape than it has since electing a minority conservative government. It might not be pretty in parliament but I like the idea that no one is elected dictator. Good results.

Harpo will make back room deals, with promises, to get what he wants.

Too bad for us.

We are not in a good position.

 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
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Well my thoughts on the results in no particular order.

-Another minority government. Why do i have the feeling that we'll be back here in another 1 1/2 - 2 years?

-Harper will, most likely, still run the government as he had a majority.

-The liberals will continue to refrain from voting until they've elected a new leader.

-Dion is Dead Leader Walking. It's only a matter of time until he's gone. So will it be Rea, Ignotecich(sp?) or will Kenndy squeak through as the compermise candidate? Personally I think a person from the west might be the better choice.

So what do you think?

I think you're describing "Ralph Goodale" who's a bulletproof Liberal even in Saskatchewan. I believe he's held
his riding since '93. I don't like the guy but nobody can argue with his record. He's been the Minister of Agriculture
and Agri-Food, Minister of Natural Resources, Minister of Public Works and Government Services, and the senior
portfolio of Finance Minister. The only drawback is that he (currently) doesn't speak French.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Goodale

"Active at politics from a young age, he was first elected to the Parliament of Canada in the 1974 election at the
age of 24. He served as backbench MP until the 1979 election, when he was defeated. However, he gathered
plenty of attention and was mentioned by the Canadian edition of Time magazine as being a potential prime
minister.[citation needed] In 1981, he was acclaimed as leader of the Saskatchewan Liberal Party."
 

Dexter Sinister

Unspecified Specialist
Oct 1, 2004
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Well, let's see now... We have a government with the support of less than 40% of the people who voted, almost half the eligible voters were so disengaged they didn't bother to turn out, a party dedicated to the destruction of this country got almost 50 seats with less than 10% of the vote, while a feisty and entertaining Green Party with 8% of the vote got nothing. I think something's wrong.
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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Sore loser scratch???

Not at all.

I see this as an opportunity for Duceppe.

After all, Trudeau, Levesque, Bouchard came from the "Quiet Revolution".

Duceppe has gained respect from all parts of the country due to his knowledge, his demeanor and statesman like approach towards the country.

He becomes the wild card now and Harpo should be afraid...very afraid.

......book mark this.

scratch

 

In Between Man

The Biblical Position
Sep 11, 2008
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here's my thoughts:

a minority gov is good, at least for now, they're forced to work together

the libs need a new leader, pronto

and finally, with all respect to the ladies, I think the green party needs a new leader as well, pronto, but how bout a guy?
 

L Gilbert

Winterized
Nov 30, 2006
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I hate parties. Particularly the two that keep getting in and messing Canada up. Unfortunately there was no independent candidate here to vote for, so I voted for Green. This is out of a "choice" between Cons, Glibs, Naive Dense Pussies, CHumPs ("God's" party. I wish it was as imaginary as its basis), and Greenies.
Anyway, I am not surprised at the result. After 140+ years of the same old bipolar BS, why would this year be any different?
 

Liberalman

Senate Member
Mar 18, 2007
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It’s all up to Stephen Harper to change his ways and work towards a majority.

He has to smile more not just during elections

He has to be willing to have media press conferences on a weekly or monthly bases and let the reporters ask him questions openly and not from a pre-approved list.

He has to take the muzzle off his MPs

He has to get rid of his gestapo image, which frightens a lot of voters.

He has to get his MPs that are on committees to work with the opposition to get those all-important bills passed instead of trying to create an impasse,

If Stephen Harper really wants to change government he has to change himself then he will get the majority.
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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It’s all up to Stephen Harper to change his ways and work towards a majority.

He has to smile more not just during elections

He has to be willing to have media press conferences on a weekly or monthly bases and let the reporters ask him questions openly and not from a pre-approved list.

He has to take the muzzle off his MPs

He has to get rid of his gestapo image, which frightens a lot of voters.

He has to get his MPs that are on committees to work with the opposition to get those all-important bills passed instead of trying to create an impasse,

If Stephen Harper really wants to change government he has to change himself then he will get the majority.


Hear here.
 

Walter

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 28, 2007
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Reform 1993 52 seats
Reform 1997 60 seats
Alliance 2000 66 seats
Conservative 2004 99 seats
Canservative 2006 124 seats
Conservative 2008 143 seats
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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Reform 1993 52 seats
Reform 1997 60 seats
Alliance 2000 66 seats
Conservative 2004 99 seats
Canservative 2006 124 seats
Conservative 2008 143 seats

.....the genesis and its growth.....

New boys in town.

Who saw this coming?

Where will they take us?
 

Risus

Genius
May 24, 2006
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Toronto
Not at all.

I see this as an opportunity for Duceppe.

After all, Trudeau, Levesque, Bouchard came from the "Quiet Revolution".

Duceppe has gained respect from all parts of the country due to his knowledge, his demeanor and statesman like approach towards the country.

He becomes the wild card now and Harpo should be afraid...very afraid.

......book mark this.

scratch
Duceppe wil never go anything outside quebec. The bloc has run its course. It was an anti Conservative vote, because of the arts issue and quebecors didn't want the liberals.
 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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Duceppe wil never go anything outside quebec. The bloc has run its course. It was an anti Conservative vote, because of the arts issue and quebecors didn't want the liberals.









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Martin Brian Mulroney (© Yousuf Karsh/Comstock Images & Agency/ National Archives of Canada/PA-164231). Martin Brian Mulroney, lawyer, politician, prime minister of Canada (b at Baie-Comeau, Qué 20 Mar 1939). The son of Irish immigrants, Mulroney's father was an electrician, anxious that his children escape the paper mill that dominated Baie-Comeau. Brian attended the private St Thomas High School in Chatham, New Brunswick, and then St Francis Xavier University in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, where he studied political science, joined the campus Conservative club, and was prime minister in the Combined Atlantic Universities Parliament. He worked for John DIEFENBAKER's successful leadership campaign in 1956. Smooth beyond his years, fluently bilingual and gregarious, Mulroney returned to Québec in 1961, receiving a law degree at Laval. He joined a major Montréal law firm (now Ogilvy-Renault) in 1964, soon specializing in labour negotiations for concerns such as Iron Ore Company of Canada and Power Corporation of Canada. His father died in 1965, and Mulroney took on heavy family responsibilities. Later, in 1973, he married Mila Pivnicki. In 1974-75 Mulroney won public attention as an articulate and hard-hitting member of the Cliche Commission on violence and corruption in the construction industry in Québec. By now he was the leading Conservative organizer and fund-raiser in the province. Despite never having run for office, he was a strong candidate for the leadership of the federal party in 1976, finally being eliminated on the third ballot. He became VP of Iron Ore Company in 1976; as president 1977-83 he emphasized management-labour relations and was able, at the end of his term, to close the company's operation in Schefferville, Québec, without serious political repercussions. Mulroney again ran for the PC leadership in 1983, a low-key effort in response to charges that his 1976 campaign had been too slick and showy. He beat Joe CLARK on the final ballot: 1584 votes to 1325.


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As leader of the Opposition and MP for Central Nova in 1983-84, he proved a skilful manager, concentrating on healing party wounds and building a solid electoral machine. Moderate and conciliatory by nature, he called for a strengthened private sector and less government intervention in the economy, minority French-language rights, and closer Canadian-American and federal-provincial relations. In the general election of 1984 he ran an almost flawless campaign against PM John Turner's Liberals and won 211 seats, the largest number in Canadian history. Mulroney, who had always emphasized the importance of Québec to the Conservatives, captured the seat of Manicouagan, his home riding. His pledge to bring Quebec to the Constitution "with honour and enthusiasm" was decisive in persuading many Quebec nationalists to support the Conservatives. The party took 58 of its seats in the province, the breakthrough that Mulroney had promised would take place under his leadership. He was sworn in as the 18th prime minister on 17 September 1984. The first 2 years of Mulroney's administration were marked by indecision and scandals in his Cabinet, but by the spring of 1987 he had launched the 2 important initiatives that would mark his first term: the negotiation of the MEECH LAKE ACCORD (see MEECH LAKE ACCORD: DOCUMENT) and the conclusion of a Free Trade Agreement with the US, which was reached that October. The FTA became the central issue in the 1988 federal election, and the Conservatives overcame a resurgent Liberal Party around whom opposition to the FTA coalesced. The FTA went into effect 1 January 1989. However, the Meech Lake Accord slowly unravelled, and its collapse in June 1990 was at least partly attributed to Mulroney's widely quoted "roll of the dice" in scheduling the final first ministers' conference so close to the deadline. His government reached a new low in popularity with the imposition of the new Goods and Services Tax (GST), which went into effect 1 January 1991. Mulroney had to stack the Senate with supporters in order to get the bill through the upper house.
Critics blamed the severity of the recession of the early 1990s on the FTA, but the Conservatives continued their policy of open trade and negotiated a North American free- trade agreement which this time included Mexico. Mulroney's popularity according to the polls was lower than that of any other prime minister in history as he attempted to arrange yet another constitutional pact in the fall of 1992. The so-called CHARLOTTETOWN ACCORD (see CHARLOTTETOWN ACCORD: DOCUMENT) was pieced together after numerous commissions and negotiations, but it was rejected in a nation-wide referendum.
After much speculation, Mulroney announced his decision to leave politics in February 1993. Despite his skill in putting together a coalition of Quebeckers and Westerners and in uniting the traditionally fractious Conservative Party, Mulroney's constitutional failures, the economic problems brought on by the persistent recession, the lingering bitterness over the GST and his personal unpopularity had made his political future and that of his party look bleak. He turned over the office of prime minister to Kim Campbell on June 25, 1993. His Conservative coalition disintegrated in the 1993 election. Only two Conservatives were elected in all Canada and the party lost its status as an official party in the House of Commons. Many blamed Mulroney's failures and his personal unpopularity for the most unprecedented disaster in Canadian political history. In June 1997 the federal Liberal government apologized to Mulroney for the false accusations that he had committed fraud in the Airbus scandal. In 1998, Mulroney became chairman of Forbes Global Business and Finance, the English-language international edition of Forbes magazine, and he was invested as a Companion of the Order of Canada.
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Brian Mulroney was also a part of the Quiet Revolution as a native Quebecer. Though a so-so PM, he did it as a Quebecer.

Duceppe, IMO sees an opportunity to do something about our country.

Someone has to and he will re-think his position.

Prove me wrong.

 

Colpy

Hall of Fame Member
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I've said this over and over and over: message to gov't of the day: kissing Quebecois arse is a waste of time. The only way the BQ will sink to insignificance is when the people of Quebec come to the realization that they have no influence in Ottawa........impossible, while every party leans over backward to offer new concessions........
 

scratch

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May 20, 2008
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I've said this over and over and over: message to gov't of the day: kissing Quebecois arse is a waste of time. The only way the BQ will sink to insignificance is when the people of Quebec come to the realization that they have no influence in Ottawa........impossible, while every party leans over backward to offer new concessions........

The concessions being offered are not enough.

Communications and harbour control are paramount.

Just for a moment, think about this.......of the Anglophones that still reside in Quebec, how many do you think or know are `separatists`?

The answer may surprise you.

Let's start with one: myself.

 

scratch

Senate Member
May 20, 2008
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Let's add some fuel to this discussion.

Job creation from Quebec to the rest of Canada:

......Giant Tiger
......Shoppers Drug Mart (IMASCO)
......RONA Hardware
......Corbeil Appliances & Electronics
......PJC (Pharmacie Jean Coutu)

What other province has done this?

If they have, please name them.