Liberals and Conservatives have failed Canada


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Liberals and Conservatives have failed Canada

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It's time to put a stop to the greed, corruption and incompetence that robs Canadians of their birthright.

DOCTORS: “During the years 1990 to 2004, in terms of the number of physicians per 100,000 people, Canada stood far down the list of all countries, in an appalling 54th place. With only 214 doctors per 100,000 during those years, we were down among some or the poorest and least developed countries in the world, and far below most other countries in the OECD (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development).” Cuba had 591 doctors per 100,000 citizens, the United States 549.

POVERTY: “In 1989, the House of Commons passed their now notorious all-party resolution to wipe out child poverty by the year 2000. At that time, 15.1% of children in this country were living in poverty.” By 2004, “despite substantial economic growth and huge wealth creation,” the percentage of poor children had grown to 17.7. “Statistics Canada also reported that 12.5% of all Canadian families, 34.5% of immigrants who had been in Canada less than 10 years, and almost 50% of lone parents were classified as in a 'low-income' situation.”

ENVIRONMENT: Canada, with 0.5% of the world’s population, emits 2% of humanity's GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions. Measured in tonnes of emissions, Canada's performance in 2004 can only be described as terrible.

FOREIGN AID: About 70% to 80% of Canadians believe that “Canada is 'very generous' when it comes to helping poor countries. But are we? In both 2004 and 2005, in a list of 22 OECD countries, Canada was down in 14th place in donor assistance as a percentage of gross national income (GNI)... In 2006, we slipped further down the list to 16th place.”

PEACEKEEPING: “In 1991, Canada had almost 1,150 soldiers directly involved in UN peacekeeping operations. By the fall of 2006 we were down to only 55 out of a total of over 100,000 UN peacekeepers.” Nevertheless, “in a 2007 public opinion poll, two-thirds of Canadians mistakenly agreed that 'Canada is an essential contributor to peacekeeping'.”

VOTER TURNOUT: “In a UN list of 179 countries, when voter turnout was calculated as a percentage of all eligible voters, Canada placed way down in an astonishing 93rd place. In May, 2004, Fair Vote Canada reported that for the decade of the 1990s, Canada ranked all the way down to 109th place in voter turnout.” (Fair Vote Canada is a multi-partisan citizen’s campaign for voting system reform.)

RESEARCH: “Dismal” is the way Hurtig describes the record of big business. “Despite huge corporate profits and among the very best tax incentives in the world,” corporations in Canada failed to do anywhere near the amount of research and development necessary to spur productivity. “An OEC study placed Canada down in 21st place in the percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of research and development performed by business.

INFANT MORTALITY: “In a UN list of 25 OECD countries, only four have a worse infant mortality record than Canada... In 2004, 22 countries had lower under-five mortality rates than Canada.”

SOCIAL POLICY: In 2006, the UN Committee on Economic and Social Rights released its third highly critical report about Canada's social policies. It made clear that “governments in Canada have not really committed to the recognition of social and economic rights as fundamental human rights.” An example: “Today in Canada more than 70% of mothers with pre-school children work, but fewer than one in five children under the age of six have access to regulated child-care spaces.”

INCOME AND WEALTH: “In recent years, the top 10% of families in Canada took home an average of over 13 times the family income of the lowest 10%.” Statistics Canada has calculated that, between 1980 and 2005, the richest 25% of Canadians increased their incomes by 24% and the poorest 20% increased theirs by only 4.9%, or $600, “a grand total of a pathetic $24 a year.”

ABORIGINAL PEOPLE: “Canada has ranked at or near the top of the United Nations Human Development Index for many years. At the same time, our Aboriginal peoples rank 63rd on the same scale.” The average life expectancy rate for Canada's Aboriginal peoples is seven years shorter than the lifespan for non-Aboriginal Canadians. The levels of diabetes, disability, suicide, poverty and unemployment among Aboriginals, particularly those living on reserves, are significantly higher than the levels among non-Aboriginals.

MANUFACTURING: “In 1970, manufacturing accounted for about 23% of Canada's GDP. In 2007, it was down to 15%. Employment in manufacturing peaked in November 2002, but by the summer of 2007 it was down by 308,000 jobs, mostly highly paid jobs with good benefits... The FTA, NAFTA, globalization, and our much higher dollar have all taken their toll on manufacturing in Canada. But poor levels of R&D, inadequate investment in machinery and equipment, and, of course, competition from increasingly competitive low-wage countries have all been factors.”

DECENTRALIZATION: “Beginning in the 1960s, and in every decade thereafter, the federal government's share of all government income has been shrinking: “Where Ottawa was once receiving 65% of all government income, by 2006, that was down to 39.3% (well below the OECD average of 49.4% for federal central governments. Today, in a list of the top 50 developed countries, 34 governments do a larger share of all government spending than Ottawa... But do we really want a country where government is bound and shackled, down on its knees before powerful, parochial, provincial potentates?”

WATER: “During the lengthy debates in Canada about the FTA (Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement), Canadians were frequently reassured that there nothing to worry about—water was not included in the proposed agreement...Water is, in fact, part of both FTA and NAFTA (North America Free Trade Agreement) because of the definition in the agreements of 'goods' as defined in GATT's (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) harmonized commodity coding system, which includes Tariff Item 22.01: 'Water, all natural water other than sea water.' Moreover, in Annex 702.1 of NAFTA, any doubt about water being included is removed so that water is clearly a ‘tradeable good,’ subject to all the onerous FTA clauses and to NAFTA's terrible Chapter 11, which...allows U.S. companies to sue Canadian governments.” It is no secret that the United States is soon going to be in urgent need of water to replenish its rapidly depleting aquifers.

OIL AND NATURAL GAS: “Where at one time reserves of natural gas were held back for future Canadian consumption, thanks to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien and the completely absurd sections of NAFTA dealing with energy, the border between Canada and the United States disappeared... Where once it was required that a 20-year reserve for Canadian use was mandatory before any approval of exports, now the petroleum companies can ship the gas out of the country just as quickly as their pipelines can be built.”
 
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No It is not the Liberals or the Conservatives who have failed Canada ,It is you ! Don't believe me?

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Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

No It is not the Liberals or the Conservatives who have failed Canada ,It is you ! Don't believe me?

Actually one other problem is buying all those items from China rather than manufacturing it hear at home in Canada... you know what I am talking about.. 'toxic' China toothpaste, lead-based painted toys, tainted milk products..

Personally, if your government wants to use it's citizens like lab rats.. so be. Just don't export your junk here via WalMart.

(oh forgot, you guys eat rats)

What do I do to make changes?? I vote, something some of us hold precious as a right here. I vote for the party that will try and change these problem for the better.

The real question is, what have you done to better your country?? Tiananmen Square?

Don't toss rocks China, when you live in a glass house.
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We are talking about Canada not China . You are blaming your governments as if they were running your life ,and if they do run your life that means you let them do it.
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Personally, if your government wants to use it's citizens like lab rats.. so be. Just don't export your junk here via WalMart.

Obviously your brain is conditioned with a second hand information ;another words you don't know what you are talking about .
If you don't like the staff manufactured in China , then manufacture your own product , it will help your unemployment; hope you are capable to make anything for yourself by yourself , can't help you there.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

We are talking about Canada not China . You are blaming your governments as if they were running your life ,and if they do run your life that means you let them do it.

Obviously your brain is conditioned with a second hand information ;another words you don't know what you are talking about .
If you don't like the staff manufactured in China , then manufacture your own product , it will help your unemployment; hope you are capable to make anything for yourself by yourself , can't help you there.

You edited your earlier above post..

As I said, a right which most Canadian hold dearly, is the right to vote in a Government that will make those changes above.. something you have no idea about. I can understand how you missed that above.

You also asked what I am doing to make those changes... actually, without getting to much into personal details.. I am working on a few projects.
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BOOMer,

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You also asked what I am doing to make those changes... actually, without getting to much into personal details.. I am working on a few projects.

You must be one of the very few but I appreciate that .Personally ,for over 22 years I have bin a member of Conservative and the Reform party and "without getting to much into details",
have done allot of voluntary work with the poor people in Saskatoon and Ottawa regions
Voting ?Freedom to vote ? .....so what .What is a percentage of eligible voters who turn out to vote ? How can this be that a country for more than 11ys can be run by a Government that was elected by less than 40% of the eligible voters and people don't care .Are you listening to the government or are they listening to you ? .Whos fault is it ...the Libers ,The Tories ....no.it is your fault.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

BOOMer,



You must be one of the very few but I appreciate that .Personally ,for over 22 years I have bin a member of Conservative and the Reform party and "without getting to much into details",
have done allot of voluntary work with the poor people in Saskatoon and Ottawa regions
Voting ?Freedom to vote ? .....so what .What is a percentage of eligible voters who turn out to vote ? How can this be that a country for more than 11ys can be run by a Government that was elected by less than 40% of the eligible voters and people don't care .Are you listening to the government or are they listening to you ? .Whos fault is it ...the Libers ,The Tories ....no.it is your fault.

We do not exercise this as we should and that is wrong.
 
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Yes it is wrong .We don't exercise the right but are the first to blame the gov.
Even though presently I reside in China I will be voting in a Canadian embassy .
 
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No It is not the Liberals or the Conservatives who have failed Canada ,It is you ! Don't believe me?

I have never voted for the LIberals or Conservatives, yet they continue to get into power.... and yet you claim it's his and my fault?

What more should one do besides using force to force what I and others feel is the right path? Nothing, because then it wouldn't be democracy.... then again, you wouldn't know anything about that would you since you live in China now?

You yourself had admitted you have been a part of the Conservative and Reform parties.... both which are pretty much the same damn thing.... so then it's far more your fault then it is our own, since you promoted and helped those parties in paticular.

You want to play the blame game? Sure then:

Why have the Conservatives and Liberals been given continual run around positions of power shared between them like the Republicans and Democrats?

I blame the majority of the Baby Boomer Generation who've been grown and taught to believe those are the only two parties to choose from.... that any other vote would simply be "A Throw Away" ~ A scam remark both parties have used continually through every election I personally can remember, in order to scare those who can't put two brain cells together to vote anything else besides them.

Dion is currently doing it right now.... although he's switched the wording a bit..... "Vote for us, because we're the only party able to stop Harper and the Conservatives." ~ AKA: Vote for us, or it'll just be a throw away vote.

Guess what? It's not a throw away vote if everybody else votes the same way.... common sense people.

But the baby boomers have continually attempted to play it safe and vote for the parties they're experienced in..... so what if they've been screwed over and over and over again? At least they can predict they'll be screwed over and in what way......

Sure I guess that's a great way to deal with politics.

My generation and the generation coming into the spotlight have had very low vote turnouts because of the simple fact that the majority of voters for the last number of decades has been Baby Boomers.... who've been stuck in their own mentality and comfort.... no matter what anybody else voted for, they would vote in mass for either Liberals or Conservatives.... thereby to the rest of the generations, no matter who or how we voted, the outcome would remain the same....... so why waste the time?

Now things are changing, and the voter turnouts are and will be improving as the years go on.... and eventually the system will be changed so that everybody will get their votes counted and a better representational government (Or better democracy) will emerge, where this sort of BS won't continue.

And China... based on your comments in regards to developing within our own country rather then buying the poison from your country, that is exactly what most of us want to do...... but guess which governments have had the biggest affect on this transition? The Liberals and your precious Conservatives......

in fact just a couple of weeks ago, the Conservatives directly cut the contract for a Pictou based knife company that has been supplying knives for Paratroopers for decades...... all because the price was cheaper in China then from the Pictou company..... the quality is sh*ttier, and the company has been getting complaints about the knives, even though it's no longer their product..... but it looks just like their product, only crappier......

But that's irrelevant apparently to Peter McKay and the rest of the Conservatives..... who cares that they never actually seen the knife and checked out it's quality, who cares that more Canadians are at risk of losing their jobs..... it's cheaper, and that's all that matters.\

So yes.... I blame the Conservatives and I blame the Liberals.... and I blame everyone of those jackasses who voted them into power so often for so long.

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Obviously your brain is conditioned with a second hand information ;another words you don't know what you are talking about .

Oh none of us know what we're talking about?

How else does your milk and milk powder get contaminated?

How else does your toys get loaded with led based paints?

How else has thousands of pets died from food products from China?

How else do counterfeit toothpaste and other bogus products get into our country?

Did it all just magically get infected with these chemicals and poisons as soon as they left the shores of China?

No.... your companies in your country have cheaped out on their products, cheaped out on their quality, cheaped out on their ingredients, and cheaped out on your safety regulation of those products...... and the two parties in our government who have been in control for so long, have cheaped out on making sure these products have been safety inspected and approved for sale within our borders..... instead, they left it up to the companies bringing them in..... and they in turn left it up to your companies in China....... thereby continually passing the buck so that nobody can be blamed..... all the while saving a buck or two at our health's expense.

So by all means China.... fill me with your vast knowlege as to how we don't know what we are talking about..... by all means.... unleash your Godliness apon us simple folk.
 
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We do not exercise this as we should and that is wrong.

In Australia, you have to vote. You can screw up your ballot and make it invalid if you want when you get to the polling station, but you have to make an apperance at the voting station or you get in shat.

Perhaps we should do the same here.
 
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I have never voted for the LIberals or Conservatives, yet they continue to get into power.... and yet you claim it's his and my fault?

Don't vote for the party ,vote for your representative in your area ;learn what he/she stands for , get to know them ,share your concerns with him, another words be a part of the country .
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What more should one do besides using force to force what I and others feel is the right path? Nothing, because then it wouldn't be democracy.... then again, you wouldn't know anything about that would you since you live in China now?

Democracy ? well its only a word and a word is never the thing .I could say that an example of Canadian democracy is a country which is run by a government which was elected by less than 40% of a popular vote .Right Praxius ?


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You yourself had admitted you have been a part of the Conservative and Reform parties.... both which are pretty much the same damn thing.... so then it's far more your fault then it is our own, since you promoted and helped those parties in paticular.

I have not admitted damn thing , I have stated a fact junior .I am not guilty and I don't feel guilty of being a member of the right wing parties .It seams to me that it is you who is afraid to say which way you are voting or if you are voting at all .

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You want to play the blame game? Sure then:

No , that's a Canadian game so you have to play it by yourself Praxius .

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Why have the Conservatives and Liberals been given continual run around positions of power shared between them like the Republicans and Democrats

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Now that's a very unintelligent question Praxius .Why don't you ask them.Not enough guts or something?
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I blame the majority of the Baby Boomer Generation who've been grown and taught to believe those are the only two parties to choose from.... that any other vote would simply be "A Throw Away" ~ A scam remark both parties have used continually through every election I personally can remember, in order to scare those who can't put two brain cells together to vote anything else besides them.
Dion is currently doing it right now.... although he's switched the wording a bit..... "Vote for us, because we're the only party able to stop Harper and the Conservatives." ~ AKA: Vote for us, or it'll just be a throw away vote.

Guess what? It's not a throw away vote if everybody else votes the same way.... common sense people.

You begin to sound like a politician
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But the baby boomers have continually attempted to play it safe and vote for the parties they're experienced in..... so what if they've been screwed over and over and over again? At least they can predict they'll be screwed over and in what way......

Sure I guess that's a great way to deal with politics. [

My generation and the generation coming into the spotlight have had very low vote turnouts because of the simple fact that the majority of voters for the last number of decades has been Baby Boomers.... who've been stuck in their own mentality and comfort.... no matter what anybody else voted for, they would vote in mass for either Liberals or Conservatives.... thereby to the rest of the generations, no matter who or how we voted, the outcome would remain the same....... so why waste the time?

Now things are changing, and the voter turnouts are and will be improving as the years go on.... and eventually the system will be changed so that everybody will get their votes counted and a better representational government (Or better democracy) will emerge, where this sort of BS won't continue.

And the world turns .


And China... based on your comments in regards to developing within our own country rather then buying the poison from your country, that is exactly what most of us want to do...... but guess which governments have had the biggest affect on this transition? The Liberals and your precious Conservatives......

in fact just a couple of weeks ago, the Conservatives directly cut the contract for a Pictou based knife company that has been supplying knives for Paratroopers for decades...... all because the price was cheaper in China then from the Pictou company..... the quality is sh*ttier, and the company has been getting complaints about the knives, even though it's no longer their product..... but it looks just like their product, only crappier......

But that's irrelevant apparently to Peter McKay and the rest of the Conservatives..... who cares that they never actually seen the knife and checked out it's quality, who cares that more Canadians are at risk of losing their jobs..... it's cheaper, and that's all that matters.\

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So yes.... I blame the Conservatives and I blame the Liberals.... and I blame everyone of those jackasses who voted them into power so often for so long.

And you are the biggest jackass of them all .You didn't agree with what they do or did ,but you have done nothing about it .

Quote: Obviously your brain is conditioned with a second hand information ;another words you don't know what you are talking about .
Oh none of us know what we're talking about?

How else does your milk and milk powder get contaminated?

How else does your toys get loaded with led based paints?

How else has thousands of pets died from food products from China?

How else do counterfeit toothpaste and other bogus products get into our country?

Did it all just magically get infected with these chemicals and poisons as soon as they left the shores of China?

No.... your companies in your country have cheaped out on their products, cheaped out on their quality, cheaped out on their ingredients, and cheaped out on your safety regulation of those products...... and the two parties in our government who have been in control for so long, have cheaped out on making sure these products have been safety inspected and approved for sale within our borders..... instead, they left it up to the companies bringing them in..... and they in turn left it up to your companies in China....... thereby continually passing the buck so that nobody can be blamed..... all the while saving a buck or two at our health's expense.

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So by all means China.... fill me with your vast knowlege as to how we don't know what we are talking about..... by all means.... unleash your Godliness apon us simple folk.

Junior ,you're not simple .
 
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That's rich.....whoflungdung comes in here and lectures us on democracy.

What a joke that is coming from a dictatorship.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by chinaView Post

Don't vote for the party ,vote for your representative in your area ;learn what he/she stands for , get to know them ,share your concerns with him, another words be a part of the country .

One has to consider both actually.

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Democracy ? well its only a word and a word is never the thing .I could say that an example of Canadian democracy is a country which is run by a government which was elected by less than 40% of a popular vote .Right Praxius ?

Which is why it wasn't a majority government but a minority, because they were elected in by only 40%.... while the Liberals took the opposition position, thereby still the same two parties in power, thereby what I stated about the two parties remains true.

But thanks for not answering my question.

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I have not admitted damn thing , I have stated a fact junior .I am not guilty and I don't feel guilty of being a member of the right wing parties.

First off princess, you did admit a damn thing.... you admitted to helping out those parties you mentioned.... are you now going to take back what you just said and say you didn't?

No, because you just said you don't feel guilty for being a member, thereby proving exactly what I just said (Admitting to being a part of them) and you confirming exactly what you just said.

You can try and confuse the issue all you want, but it's not going to work on me.

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It seams to me that it is you who is afraid to say which way you are voting or if you are voting at all .

I'm certainly not afraid to say which party I am voting for. I already stated that I never voted for the Conservatives or Liberals, so you can easily cross those two out of the equation, and if that didn't narrow the choices down for you, then look into some other threads in the forums that don't directly relate to China and you just might see that I have been prmoting the NDP for quite some time.

Afraid indeed..... Since when have I been the chicken sh*t to not say what is on my mind?

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No , that's a Canadian game so you have to play it by yourself Praxius .

Considering you just said to blame ourselves, you just entered the blame game.... your double talking is becoming a tad annoying thus far.

Either you enter the debate and become involved in any and all responses to what you say, or stay the hell out of the debate if you don't like it...... that's the Canadian Game.

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Now that's a very unintelligent question Praxius .Why don't you ask them.Not enough guts or something?


It's an unintelligent question because it's a rhetorical question China.... which means I already know the answer or I simply don't care.

Since it should have been obvious, being a rhetorical question, that I followed it up with my own explination/answer, it should have been irrelevant for you to comment at this time.

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You begin to sound like a politician

Good, maybe someday I'll be in charge to fix this crap, but until then, you and everybody else will just have to put up with me shooting my mouth off.

But once again, thanks for ignoring what was presented to you.

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And the world turns .

That's what they say.

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And you are the biggest jackass of them all .

Be careful not to stand behind me then.

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You didn't agree with what they do or did ,but you have done nothing about it .

Oh I am.... what did you do? You ran off to China..... good job.

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Junior ,you're not simple .

Indeed I'm not Princess.....

Answer the fu*king question.

If you think you can just waltz into here and shoot your own mouth off to those raising the concerns we deal with over here, only to run off or spout pissy little responses, continually avoiding any pressure on your own views, you got another thing coming.

People might not answer questions in China and accept what's given to them, but it doesn't work that way here..... so either answer the questions or don't bother to get into the debate..... anything else is just simple trolling.
 
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Answer the fu*king question.

If you think you can just waltz into here and shoot your own mouth off to those raising the concerns we deal with over here, only to run off or spout pissy little responses, continually avoiding any pressure on your own views, you got another thing coming.

People might not answer questions in China and accept what's given to them, but it doesn't work that way here..... so either answer the questions or don't bother to get into the debate..... anything else is just simple trolling.

See your point of view Praxius ,I'lleave it at that .
 
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See your point of view Praxius ,I'lleave it at that .

Of course you will, because you can't hack it when someone challenges your opinion or asks you ligit questions based on what you said, so you avoid anything that comes your way that goes against what you believe, you avoid the questions, and you brush it all off and move along, all the while thinking you're so great because you shoved your finger into everybody else's face like you know something we don't and then walk away like you gave us all some insight into something profound.

Someone else in here is starting to sound a lot like a politician if you ask me.
 
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Hey BOOmer!

I've been interested in the NDP for a long time. I like the whole "looking out for the working man" mentality. Jack Layton stated that the party was in favor of modernizing the pot laws. This election he decides to turn his back to the marijuana vote. Then he states that his party favors gun laws province by province, so that each prov can decide whether or not to completely ban guns. Where did that come from? I know it's weird for a pot head to favor gun ownership, but these are two issues I feel strongly about. I feel that the NDP stabbed me in the back. Once again, I find it nearly impossible to hand over my vote for anyone.

Why should I vote NDP?
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I hope your not trying to intimidate the readers with your picture/avatar ?
Don't make me laugh sic*o .
 
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I hope your not trying to intimidate the readers with your picture/avatar ?
Don't make me laugh sic*o .

It was out of comedy in regards to you jumping into my rhetorical question when I followed it up with an answer.

It's not my fault you don't get it.
 
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It's not my fault you don't get it.

Here you go again .As I said before in the previous post ,I'm not playing any blaming games with you Praxius .
 
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Hey BOOmer!

I've been interested in the NDP for a long time. I like the whole "looking out for the working man" mentality. Jack Layton stated that the party was in favor of modernizing the pot laws. This election he decides to turn his back to the marijuana vote. Then he states that his party favors gun laws province by province, so that each prov can decide whether or not to completely ban guns. Where did that come from? I know it's weird for a pot head to favor gun ownership, but these are two issues I feel strongly about. I feel that the NDP stabbed me in the back. Once again, I find it nearly impossible to hand over my vote for anyone.

Why should I vote NDP?

The NDP for the most part are against the current lack of gun control in some areas of the country and the crimes which follow them.... such as in Toronto or in BC with the gang shootings, etc.

The way I read it, is that they don't really agree with the current gun laws, however they're not going to force their opinions directly down our throats, but give the democratic choice to decide to each province and let each area determine what is best for their areas...... rather then blanket the entire nation with one solution that very well might not work for all.... which is sorta the current problem today.

As it goes for turning his back on the marijuana side of things, I don't believe that is the case, as anytime I have heard questions presented to him or the NDP party in regards to the pot laws, they have remained consistant with their claims about it being a waste of money in the law enforcement that could be better put into other programs or concentration on other more serious crimes. That many people get prison records and goto jail, wasting tax payer's money for simple possession, who have never had any other criminal records tagged to them.

However I have noticed that they have not been as vocal on the subject this time around as they were in the past, but that's probably because it's not as big of an issue as many of the other current issues most of the country seems focused on at present.

Two party memebers have been canned out in BC if memory serves correctly, due to footage of those members smoking their brains out, and were linked to the marijuana party..... so in a sense when you look at it on a political perspective, it was a sound decision, because Marijuana technically isn't decriminalized or legal at present, therefore if you want trust from the public on these matters, then you can't go around filming yourself breaking the law, even if you are fighting and promoting that subject to no longer be illegal.

as a casual pot smoker myself, I still have plenty of faith in the NDP for addressing the legal issues of Marijuana, as well as many of the other issues concerning the nation.

But then again..... with me..... everybody only gets one chance, so if they do get into power...... they best make it a good run, because if they turn out to be more of the same as the Liberals and Conservatives, then they'll never get my vote again.

What would I do then?

Either vote for the Greens, the Marijuana Party...... or start my own and get this damn place working properly for once.

Bottom Line:

Why should you vote for the NDP?

For the same reason why I am...... because they are the only party that seems to take Democracy seriously and many of their plans seem to focus more on what the general public actually wants, rather then what they think we want.
 
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Here you go again .As I said before in the previous post ,I'm not playing any blaming games with you Praxius .

Yeah, obviously you're not doing a whole hell of a lot, since you still didn't answer my existing questions yet, but more then willing to focus on the trivial stuff.
 
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Stephen Harper: Bulking up Pentagon North

By Linda McQuaig

--, October 8, 2008
The Toronto Star - 2008-10-07

With the prospect of a Harper majority hanging menacingly over the country, the mind inevitably turns to the question: Just what is the "secret agenda" lurking behind the friendly sweater?

Actually, I don't believe there is one. The truth is that Stephen Harper has already laid out an agenda that would fundamentally change this country - in ways most Canadians would oppose.
While this agenda is not "secret," my guess is few Canadians know about it. That's because Harper, realizing it would be unpopular, unveiled it when Canadians weren't paying attention - in fact, we were sleeping. Sometime in the dark of night last June 20, the Harper government posted a plan on the Department of National Defence's website - called Canada First Defence Strategy - to spend an eye-popping $490 billion over the next 20 years on the military.
Given all the recent buzz about the size of the $700 billion Wall Street bailout in the United States, it's striking to note that Ottawa quietly announced a plan to spend nearly half a trillion dollars on the military, almost in passing.
Steven Staples, a defence analyst with the Ottawa-based Rideau Institute, says that Canada's military spending is already 27 per cent higher than in 2001.
"The focus of the defence lobby now is on getting contracts signed as quickly a possible," Staples said in an interview. "They want to make it impossible for future governments to get out of these spending commitments."
It's hard to imagine an agenda with more profound consequences for Canadians, beginning with a dramatic reordering of national priorities. Public health care? Child poverty? Fighting global warming? Fine causes, to be sure, but sadly the cupboard will be bare.
The Conservatives won't even have to look mean-spirited as they say no. There just won't be any money left. It will all be sucked into bulking up Pentagon North.
Harper knows Canadians would balk at this shift in priorities, if they got wind of it. In a 2008 pre-budget survey conducted for the finance department, Canadians were asked which of 18 different issues they considered a high priority. "Increasing spending on defence" ranked last.
There's a rich irony in this ramped-up military spending. In the election campaign, Harper has accused Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion of "reckless spending" for his plan to invest $70 billion in infrastructure over the next 10 years.
Meanwhile, Harper claims to be a thrifty economic manager, even as he quietly plans a massive spending spree on military hardware.
Clearly governments can rack up deficits just as quickly acquiring tanks and killing insurgents in Afghanistan, as they can building public transit or a clean energy grid here in Canada.
While the election campaign has focused on economic issues, the military and its combat role in Afghanistan have actually been the centrepieces of the Harper administration.
Harper has tried to reshape the way Canadians think about Canada, weaning us off our fondness for peacekeeping (and medicare, for that matter), and getting us excited about being a war-making nation, able to swagger on the world stage in the footsteps of the Americans.
In fact, the U.S. has shown where big military spending leads. As the "defence" sector expands, jobs and economic prosperity become linked to war preparation. A bulging defence sector becomes a built-in constituency for war.
Forget trying to figure out Harper's "secret agenda." The really frightening, far-reaching agenda Harper has in mind for us is already posted on the Internet.
 
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Well I have no issues with putting money into the military and making it strong like it used to be...... I do have issues on how that military is used though.

Harper's spending on the military, some may not like..... but our military, it's history and the soldiers who fill those boots have been neglected for decades. Considering the amount of threats on Canadian borders from Russia, the US and other nations in the Artic area..... considering our involvments in modern day warfare, and the uncertainty of our allies' capabilities for security purposes.... .it seems pretty practical to bring us back to what we once were...... which was one of the largest militaries in the world. Perhaps not the biggest, but we used to be in the top 5 at one time...... and considering our population, that was a pretty impressive feat.

And also considering the training, experience, and drive our troops have shown in the past, as they show today, they diserve nothing but the best.

Harper's spending on the military is pretty much the only good thing going for him in my personal opinion...... but it's not enough for me to vote for him however.

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But in regards to my comment on how that military is used..... the moment our troops are sent into another stupid ass war and our troops are put into another situation where they shouldn't be...... I'll be pretty pissed, you can count on that.

As many say, the troops have to follow their orders and go where they are told...... but we as citizens should keep our government in check and make sure we protect our troops by making sure our government doesn't send them where we don't want them to...... to me, that's how you support your troops..... you don't support a war, you support them by making sure they are not abused by our government by being sent where they shouldn't be. Their honor shouldn't be something that can be thrown around to suit political causes. The Military exists to protect us..... and in turn we should protect them.
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I get it about the "knife" thingy. My husband says more shops are stocking made in China parts (e.g. plumbing connections) that either don't work or last for a very short period of time. He always makes sure that the parts he gets are either Canadian or US made. As far as he's concerned, the parts made in China shouldn't even be allowed as in some cases, a part failure can be dangerous! Yes, you pay more for the Cdn/US part but it lasts 100 times longer.

JMO
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Dixie CupView Post

I get it about the "knife" thingy. My husband says more shops are stocking made in China parts (e.g. plumbing connections) that either don't work or last for a very short period of time. He always makes sure that the parts he gets are either Canadian or US made. As far as he's concerned, the parts made in China shouldn't even be allowed as in some cases, a part failure can be dangerous! Yes, you pay more for the Cdn/US part but it lasts 100 times longer.

JMO

Yep Chinese crap is all over the place. But more and more, I see people buying Canadian made stuff. Eatting locally aswell, buying fruits and veggies in season as much as possible. We need to produce more finished product and leave the junk for the Chinese or who ever.
 
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Liberals and Conservatives have failed Canada

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It's time to put a stop to the greed, corruption and incompetence that robs Canadians of their birthright.

It has always been and probably always will be this way. ATTITUDES have to change, people have to get OFF their butts and ACT. Take control back. Societies were developed to serve people but this is backwards now.

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DOCTORS: “During the years 1990 to 2004, in terms of the number of physicians per 100,000 people, Canada stood far down the list of all countries, in an appalling 54th place. With only 214 doctors per 100,000 during those years, we were down among some or the poorest and least developed countries in the world, and far below most other countries in the OECD (Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development).” Cuba had 591 doctors per 100,000 citizens, the United States 549.

Basically what happened is the government that said it had everything under control was letting the maintenance go undone. They left things status quo and expected it to stay that way even though the population was growing. And then they start to realize what was happening and tried the haywire and bandaid solutions which leads to more problems. Now we have low quality medical care for 90% of the population. Doctors who shouldn't be doctors, wonderful doctors from other parts of the world who aren't allowed to practise, huge waiting lists, and so on. Bad management.

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POVERTY: “In 1989, the House of Commons passed their now notorious all-party resolution to wipe out child poverty by the year 2000. At that time, 15.1% of children in this country were living in poverty.” By 2004, “despite substantial economic growth and huge wealth creation,” the percentage of poor children had grown to 17.7. “Statistics Canada also reported that 12.5% of all Canadian families, 34.5% of immigrants who had been in Canada less than 10 years, and almost 50% of lone parents were classified as in a 'low-income' situation.”

Straight incompetence.

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ENVIRONMENT: Canada, with 0.5% of the world’s population, emits 2% of humanity's GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions. Measured in tonnes of emissions, Canada's performance in 2004 can only be described as terrible.

Weak-willed governing by some and the rest is due to straight-out apathy.

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FOREIGN AID: About 70% to 80% of Canadians believe that “Canada is 'very generous' when it comes to helping poor countries. But are we? In both 2004 and 2005, in a list of 22 OECD countries, Canada was down in 14th place in donor assistance as a percentage of gross national income (GNI)... In 2006, we slipped further down the list to 16th place.”

I cannot see where giving away great bundles of nifty things to others helps when your own back yard is in a pathetic state.

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PEACEKEEPING: “In 1991, Canada had almost 1,150 soldiers directly involved in UN peacekeeping operations. By the fall of 2006 we were down to only 55 out of a total of over 100,000 UN peacekeepers.” Nevertheless, “in a 2007 public opinion poll, two-thirds of Canadians mistakenly agreed that 'Canada is an essential contributor to peacekeeping'.”

This started going downhill in 1968 when we voted in a Prime Minister who depleted resources for the military drastically.

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VOTER TURNOUT: “In a UN list of 179 countries, when voter turnout was calculated as a percentage of all eligible voters, Canada placed way down in an astonishing 93rd place. In May, 2004, Fair Vote Canada reported that for the decade of the 1990s, Canada ranked all the way down to 109th place in voter turnout.” (Fair Vote Canada is a multi-partisan citizen’s campaign for voting system reform.)

People become apathetic concerning a subject when they start to realize that what they are doing has little or no effect. Why vote when nothing changes for the better?

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RESEARCH: “Dismal” is the way Hurtig describes the record of big business. “Despite huge corporate profits and among the very best tax incentives in the world,” corporations in Canada failed to do anywhere near the amount of research and development necessary to spur productivity. “An OEC study placed Canada down in 21st place in the percentage of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of research and development performed by business.

Because administration is lazy and greedy. People love to collect millions per year as top brass in companies and then collect massive settlements when they leave even after they have screwed the company up royally. Boards of directors are becoming as competent as politicians.

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INFANT MORTALITY: “In a UN list of 25 OECD countries, only four have a worse infant mortality record than Canada... In 2004, 22 countries had lower under-five mortality rates than Canada.”

This goes back to what I said about healthcare previously.

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SOCIAL POLICY: In 2006, the UN Committee on Economic and Social Rights released its third highly critical report about Canada's social policies. It made clear that “governments in Canada have not really committed to the recognition of social and economic rights as fundamental human rights.” An example: “Today in Canada more than 70% of mothers with pre-school children work, but fewer than one in five children under the age of six have access to regulated child-care spaces.”

Again, this is due to mismanagement.

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INCOME AND WEALTH: “In recent years, the top 10% of families in Canada took home an average of over 13 times the family income of the lowest 10%.” Statistics Canada has calculated that, between 1980 and 2005, the richest 25% of Canadians increased their incomes by 24% and the poorest 20% increased theirs by only 4.9%, or $600, “a grand total of a pathetic $24 a year.”

The gov't is simply not ensuring that the majority of its population has REASONABLE chances to earn a living. The top 10% pay more than 50% of the personal income taxes collected in Canada and they can look after themselves without help from the gov't. However, when the gov't increasingly acts to remove disposable income from the majority by adding tax, double taxing, allowing unions to force companies into overpaying wages till companies move away, taking away incentives for companies to reward good work, etc., the gap between the Paul Martins, Brian Mulroneys and the Joe Lunchbuckets gets wider and wider.

[quote]............DECENTRALIZATION: “Beginning in the 1960s, and in every decade thereafter, the federal government's share of all government income has been shrinking: “Where Ottawa was once receiving 65% of all government income, by 2006, that was down to 39.3% (well below the OECD average of 49.4% for federal central governments. Today, in a list of the top 50 developed countries, 34 governments do a larger share of all government spending than Ottawa... But do we really want a country where government is bound and shackled, down on its knees before powerful, parochial, provincial potentates?”[quote]I cannot see where rewarding incompetence is beneficial. Canada is a vast country and the regions are different from each other and should not be treated the same way. They should be treated equally, not as things have been where central Canada has been favored over the other regions, but on the other hand should be treated as being different and respected for those differences. The simple fact is that prairie farmers are different from maritime fishers and west coast foresters and Inuit and rural people are different from cityfolk. And yet the federal government has failed to equally apply attention to all these different people. So the best thing under these circumstances is to let the regions take some of that burden away.

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WATER: “During the lengthy debates in Canada about the FTA (Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement), Canadians were frequently reassured that there nothing to worry about—water was not included in the proposed agreement...Water is, in fact, part of both FTA and NAFTA (North America Free Trade Agreement) because of the definition in the agreements of 'goods' as defined in GATT's (General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade) harmonized commodity coding system, which includes Tariff Item 22.01: 'Water, all natural water other than sea water.' Moreover, in Annex 702.1 of NAFTA, any doubt about water being included is removed so that water is clearly a ‘tradeable good,’ subject to all the onerous FTA clauses and to NAFTA's terrible Chapter 11, which...allows U.S. companies to sue Canadian governments.” It is no secret that the United States is soon going to be in urgent need of water to replenish its rapidly depleting aquifers.

The simple facts about freshwater are that the larger the population grows the less freshwater there is and diverting resources disrupts environments. For example: swamps are water filters, yet we pave over swamps in order to build communities than need more and more freshwater as they grow. This is not terribly intelligent.

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OIL AND NATURAL GAS: “Where at one time reserves of natural gas were held back for future Canadian consumption, thanks to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien and the completely absurd sections of NAFTA dealing with energy, the border between Canada and the United States disappeared... Where once it was required that a 20-year reserve for Canadian use was mandatory before any approval of exports, now the petroleum companies can ship the gas out of the country just as quickly as their pipelines can be built.”

So it is time to quit relying so much on this lone resource for transportation and lubrication. Besides, North America has over 200 BILLION barrels of proven resources, Saudi Arabia has 265 BILLION barrels, South America has a bundle, Russia has a bundle. There is NO shortage. On the other hand, there are cleaner sources and the gov'ts have been enjoying the riches it gets from the taxes off the petroleum industry and other indirect sources from it. So it doesn't provide much for incentives to research other sources. Actually the gov't does very little to provide any sort of change in most aspects except to force some inane form of morality on its population.

BTW, China, you start out by telling us it isn't so much government fault as it is our own, yet later you say that you aren't playing the blame game. This has a tendency to eat away at your credibility.
 
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The problem with the NDP is, they keep telling the voters the cart comes before the horse........the horse being the economy....................every time the NDP had a chance to be on the driver seat Politically Federal or Provincial crashed the economy.........................History on that fact is alive and well......

The Conservatives, are the deficit Kings, they put out a carrot on a stick, and the carrot is toxic plastic not real, the voter took it up the rear...........................Billions in deficit coming up............................
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Quote: Originally Posted by Socrates the GreekView Post

The problem with the NDP is, they keep telling the voters the cart comes before the horse........the horse being the economy....................every time the NDP had a chance to be on the driver seat Politically Federal or Provincial crashed the economy.........................History on that fact is alive and well......

The Conservatives, are the deficit Kings, they put out a carrot on a stick, and the carrot is toxic plastic not real, the voter took it up the rear...........................Billions in deficit coming up............................

Soc I actually agree with you on the first comment about the NDP, lol, wonders will never cease. However your second comment is sure off base. The Conservatives have had many balanced budgets.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by RisusView Post

Soc I actually agree with you on the first comment about the NDP, lol, wonders will never cease. However your second comment is sure off base. The Conservatives have had many balanced budgets.

Hey Risus good day, well a record is a record and when there is a record it is hard to argue with a true record.........................
 
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Oh there is plenty of blame to go around. Tories the Grits, the Voters the public the yankees and so on. Big deal, everyone is to blame. Now what is anyone going to do about it?
 

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