Nationalize Canadian oil reserves!!!!

[Socrates the Greek]

Canadians should rise and fight to nationalize all Canadian oil reserves.
We should not be taken hostage against a commodity that runs abundantly under Canadian soil. The oil under Canadian soil belongs to Canada, not to Alberta not to Nova Scotia not any one in specific except Canada.

 

[ShintoMale]

what about the high gas prices?

 

[Walter]

The Canadian constitution says that natural resources are the property of the provinces. The NEP was a complete and utter failure and any other attempt at nationalization of energy resources would suffer the same fate.

 

[karrie]

If you're going to take provincial resources and split them apart, then you'd damn well better do it across the board. Because no way can you justify walking into Alberta, BC, and Sask, and taking their oil revenues, without being willing to hand over the rights to your own resources as well.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The Canadian constitution says that natural resources are the property of the provinces. The NEP was a complete and utter failure and any other attempt at nationalization of energy resources would suffer the same fate.

Hey Walter in a crisis such as this, the Canadian constitution maybe slightly outdated. We are faced with a serious energy problem and Canada should pay close attention to this problem. For every $.010 cents up at the pumps the feds realize $100,000,000 cold hard cash. From $1,40 per litter to $2,00 per litter potentially that would represent in the coffers of the feds some $ 600,000,000 big wad of cash Walter. So some say here that it isn’t up to the Government to do anything about it, with that type of cash these greedy f in Ottawa make one wander if they are here to protect the Canadian people or f them.

 

[Colpy]

Canadians should rise and fight to nationalize all Canadian oil reserves.
We should not be taken hostage against a commodity that runs abundantly under Canadian soil. The oil under Canadian soil belongs to Canada, not to Alberta not to Nova Scotia not any one in specific except Canada.

Unfortunately, you are completely incorrect.

The Constitution recognizes that ALL control of natural resources rests with the province in which they are found.

Please see the British North America Act of 1867.

 

[karrie]

Hey Walter in a crisis such as this, the Canadian constitution maybe slightly outdated. We are faced with a serious energy problem and Canada should pay close attention to this problem. For every $.010 cents up at the pumps the feds realize $100,000,000 cold hard cash. From $1,40 per litter to $2,00 per litter potentially that would represent in the coffers of the feds some $ 600,000,000 big wad of cash Walter. So some say here that it isn’t up to the Government to do anything about it, with that type of cash these greedy f in Ottawa make one wander if they are here to protect the Canadian people or f them.

You want to rewrite the consitution because you want the money given to a different government? What sense does that make?

 

[Colpy]

Hey Walter in a crisis such as this, the Canadian constitution maybe slightly outdated. We are faced with a serious energy problem and Canada should pay close attention to this problem. For every $.010 cents up at the pumps the feds realize $100,000,000 cold hard cash. From $1,40 per litter to $2,00 per litter potentially that would represent in the coffers of the feds some $ 600,000,000 big wad of cash Walter. So some say here that it isn’t up to the Government to do anything about it, with that type of cash these greedy f in Ottawa make one wander if they are here to protect the Canadian people or f them.

Sorry, I hadn't read down when I posted the above.

The Constitution is not "out of date", they never are, by definition.

The Constitution is the foundation of all other law, it would be legally impossible for the government to nationalize natural resources without the approval of the provinces.......

Good luck with that.......

 

[Socrates the Greek]

If you're going to take provincial resources and split them apart, then you'd damn well better do it across the board. Because no way can you justify walking into Alberta, BC, and Sask, and taking their oil revenues, without being willing to hand over the rights to your own resources as well.

I am a fair man Karrie,
BC for example has water, fish, wood, and other resources that Alberta doesn’t have so what is so wrong to nationalize all Canadian resources and treat each province on a structure which rewards the giving provinces to the have not as well take care of the have not. To do all this it will take a Government who really cares, not some bone heads who have squandered in 2 ½ years in power $12B to entice Canadians to no avail, they started with 34% in the polls and 2 ½ years later they are stuck at the same place.

 

[karrie]

.... who have squandered in 2 ½ years in power $12B to entice Canadians to no avail, they started with 34% in the polls and 2 ½ years later they are stuck at the same place.

Socrates, I don't have it in me today to wander through all your ramblings about the entire political spectrum. Topic at hand is tough enough, without dragging all this into it.

 

[zoofer]

We already share our cash with the havenots. Trudeau's NEP transferred 50 billion to Quebec by not paying the world price. Do you see Quebec sharing James Bay power with the ROC? They won't even give NFLD a fair deal on it.

If the East wants Alberta's oil they need to get a job and pay for it. An idea socialists can't seem to grasp. Nothing is free.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Unfortunately, you are completely incorrect.

The Constitution recognizes that ALL control of natural resources rests with the province in which they are found.

Please see the British North America Act of 1867.

Hey that maybe true, but natural resources resting with the province in which they are found doesn't help the general Canadian populace at a time of a serious energy crisis.
The same with at a time of a National threat a Government has the right to bring in the draft that is a human resource which is bundled up, meaning that all men and women would join forces from province to province and protect Canada. Why would an energy crisis such as the one we are experiencing be any deferent? When the farmer can't afford the fuel to run his farm efficiently we will have food shortages, and the same goes down the line. As many have said on this forum "I am willing to alter my every day energy demands" It may become that people who live in energy producing provinces may find that if this madness continues, technology in electric vehicular movement will take off and then Opec, oil companies, slimy oil executives, Alberta and Nova Scotia you will then know , should the electric car arrive in mass production as it all ready has proven cost efficiency you will turn from the fat cat to a skiny RAT.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

We already share our cash with the havenots. Trudeau's NEP transferred 50 billion to Quebec by not paying the world price. Do you see Quebec sharing James Bay power with the ROC? They won't even give NFLD a fair deal on it.

If the East wants Alberta's oil they need to get a job and pay for it. An idea socialists can't seem to grasp. Nothing is free.

Hey Zoofer you are such a heartless fellow, I live in BC and Alberta is eating my fish the barter system worked for centuries in the past but my dear friend there is a lesson to be learned here.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Socrates, I don't have it in me today to wander through all your ramblings about the entire political spectrum. Topic at hand is tough enough, without dragging all this into it.

I simply said in order to see fairness with respect to Nationalization of energy resources in Canada it would take a government committed to make Canada a prosperous country not a country in deficit where one province is allowed to gouge the other. That will be the only way OPEC and the rest of the RATS who control this valuable energy source. We do not have such government who can help us through this crisis.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

You want to rewrite the consitution because you want the money given to a different government? What sense does that make?

No, I want the Government to stop buying oil from OPEC and turn to the oil producing provinces Alberta and Nova Scotia and seriously negotiate the energy below Canadian soil.

To explore the possibilities before us it will take a courages Government not a Government who will do nothing to help gas stabilize in cost per litter so they can collect $100,000,000 every time gas goes up by $.010 cents.

 

[Colpy]

No, I want the Government to stop buying oil from OPEC and turn to the oil producing provinces Alberta and Nova Scotia and seriously negotiate the energy below Canadian soil.

To explore the possibilities before us it will take a courages Government not a Government who will do nothing to help gas stabilize in cost per litter so they can collect $100,000,000 every time gas goes up by $.010 cents.

Socrates, we are a country of law.....the basic law is the Constitution.....which can only be chanmged with the agreement of the provinces.

Natural resources are a provincial matter.

The provinces will NOT surrender their right to their resources.

Therefore what you ask is impossible.

Full stop.

Might as well wish the sun not come up tomorrow.

 

[darkbeaver]

If you're going to take provincial resources and split them apart, then you'd damn well better do it across the board. Because no way can you justify walking into Alberta, BC, and Sask, and taking their oil revenues, without being willing to hand over the rights to your own resources as well.

You Abertians owe us Right Honourable Nova Scotians several hundred million pounds of fish which we shipped to you during the depression, please return them or we will just invade and take whatever we want, cattle, gold and women.

 

[karrie]

You Abertians owe us Right Honourable Nova Scotians several hundred million pounds of fish which we shipped to you during the depression, please return them or we will just invade and take whatever we want, cattle, gold and women.

Have you sat in an Alberta pub recently db? You lot invaded years ago. :lol:

 

[darkbeaver]

Have you sat in an Alberta pub recently db? You lot invaded years ago. :lol:

You lot! take that back or the rest of us will get in the car and show upi in a few weeks.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Socrates, we are a country of law.....the basic law is the Constitution.....which can only be chanmged with the agreement of the provinces.

Natural resources are a provincial matter.

The provinces will NOT surrender their right to their resources.

Therefore what you ask is impossible.

Full stop.

Might as well wish the sun not come up tomorrow.

Colpy, I am sure you are correct on the Provincial aspect of resource ownership, however I look at the scenario were it will be unsustainable to see gas prices reach $2, 00 per litter with out hurting a big segment of the Canadian working class. Talking about a nail in the coffin of the economy the $2.00 per litter will be it.
So, in such circumstance is Alberta and Nova Scotia going to be happy with such horrible outcome facing the rest of the country?