Dealing with China

"We are greatly saddened by the news that thousands lost their lives and that hundreds of children who were at school at the time are trapped in the debris," said a joint statement issued by Canadian Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier and Beverley Oda, Minister of International Cooperation. "Our thoughts are with the victims of this terrible tragedy and their families," said the statement. "Canada stands ready to help should China request any assistance in its humanitarian relief efforts."

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This sounds like an appropriate response to me.

Our relationship with China is very good right now. So good that they went overboard on welcoming one of our frigates to Hong Kong and then cleared it to pass through the Taiwan Straits because of a storm.

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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Dealing with China
China's catastrophic earthquake last week in Sichuan province has prompted words of condolence from Canada's government, in a written press release. But there is no sign of any personal exchange with the senior leadership in Beijing. Nor has Ottawa sought to mobilize support through the Chinese-Canadian community — in contrast to our active responses to the Indian Ocean tsunami in 2004 and Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

This is a striking symptom of something missing in the Harper government's policy toward China on other fronts, too. In our business relationship with China, public policy matters.

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Yes, what is wrong with the Harper gang? Still harping the human rights issues? Tibet? Or what?

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

One of the reasons I like the Harper gov't......they don't like the Chinese.

They do like the Israelis.

They do like the USA.

I'm a happy boy when it comes to Canada's foreign policy.

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

You are a traitor, Colpy!!!

Quote: Originally Posted by talloola

I don't like to hear others saying they 'don't like anybody, thats what children do.

I like Obama's approach, he understands that other countries believe and do things
that we don't agree with, BUT he would never say 'I DON'T LIKE THEM', that sounds
silly. Disagree with others, don't agree with their policies, but keep dialogue open,
and talk and negotiate, while staying strong in your own beliefs, that is truly a position
of STRENGTH, not weakness.

What I disagree with the u.s., is that they take the position that, if others don't agree
with them, then they are wrong, 'not necessarily so'.

Being different in the world, 'than us', doesn't mean, 'you don't like them', b.c. is full of
chinese, they are a fine race of people, and I welcome them here. China, having more
than a billion people, certainly have to run their country differently than us.
It seems as the years go by, their government is becoming a little mor understandable,
than in older times, and it will take time for changes, but their own people will demand
change, and gradually it will happen.



Can you imagine Canada with a population of more than a billion, I hear lots of whining
from others about our government, and we only have a little over 30 million.
Pretty easy to live here, and the things that are whined about, are for the most part
trivial, and many 'just' like to whine, as they can't seem to find or enjoy, saying good
things.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

The Chinese Communist Party has murdered 76,000,000 people, in less than 60 years.

George Bush has murdured over 4000 american troops and hundreds of thousands of
iraqis in 6 years.

He is a person, along with his government to fear too.

Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

The Chinese Communist Party has murdered 76,000,000 people, in less than 60 years.

I don't like them.

You can make whatever excuses you like for their murderous history, I don't like them, nor anyone that supports the Party.

Sorry, I sort of have a bias against mass murderers........

One of the reasons I like the Harper gov't......they don't like the Chinese.

They do like the Israelis.

They do like the USA.

I'm a happy boy when it comes to Canada's foreign policy.

Casualties of the US led Invasion of Iraq and Subsequent War

SurveyIraqi deathsMarch 2003 to...--151,000 violent deaths out of 400,000 excess deaths due to the war.June 2006--601,027 violent deaths out of 654,965 excess deaths.June 2006--1,033,000 violent deaths as a result of the conflict.August 2007

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20 July 2006: Israeli Soldiers use civilians as Human Shields in Beit Hanun
B'Tselem's initial investigation indicates that, during an incursion by Israeli forces into Beit Hanun, in the northern Gaza Strip, on 17 July 2006, soldiers seized control of two buildings in the town and used residents as human shield.
After seizing control of the buildings, the soldiers held six residents, two of them minors, on the staircases of the two buildings, at the entrance to rooms in which the soldiers positioned themselves, for some twelve hours. During this time, there were intense exchanges of gunfire between the soldiers and armed Palestinians. The soldiers also demanded that one of the occupants walk in front of them during a search of all the apartments in one of the buildings, after which they released her.
International humanitarian law forbids using civilians as human shields by placing them next to soldiers or next to military facilities, with the intention of gaining immunity from attack, or by forcing the civilians to carry out dangerous military assignments.
http://www.btselem.org/english/Human...Beit_Hanun.asp

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Unlike the idiots in Burma, China has done a bang-up job in stricken areas.....or at least that is how it appears.....they have certainly been willing to accept help from where ever it is offered.....as they should.

Bethune, a national hero in China, was born in Gravenhurst, Ontario, Canada...
...Fearing the onslaught of fascism, he travelled to Spain (1936-1937) where he assisted the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War and to China (1938-1939), aiding the Chinese in their war with Japan, in both cases performing battlefield surgical operations on war casualties.
Bethune's work in Spain in developing mobile medical units was the model for the later development of Mobile Army Surgical Hospital (MASH) units. The need to provide blood transfusions in a battlefield led him to develop the first practical method for transporting blood. In China, he worked with carpenters and blacksmiths to forge new surgical tools, and established training for doctors, nurses and orderlies. He redesigned packing containers to serve as operating tables.[1] He treated wounded Japanese prisoners.[2]
Bethune died on November 12, 1939, of blood poisoning from a cut he received when performing surgery, while with the Communist Party of China's Eighth Route Army in the midst of the Second Sino-Japanese War....
...Virtually unknown in his homeland during his lifetime, Bethune finally received international recognition when Chairman Mao Zedong of the People's Republic of China published his essay entitled In Memory of Norman Bethune (in Chinese: 紀念白求恩), which documented the final months of the doctor's life in China. Almost the entire Chinese population know...

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Quote: Originally Posted by Colpy

I'm a traitor?

How do you figure?

I support our traditional allies, those that share democratic values.........

I dislike the greatest mass murderers on earth.

I guess if that makes me a traitor....I am.

But I don't know how that could be so.....

Seems to me those that would ignore the alliances we entered into with our eyes wide open, I'd say THEY are the ones who are engaging in dubious acts.....

Please, I beg of you, explain the accusation.

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

This is a striking symptom of something missing in the Harper government's policy toward China on other fronts, too. In our business relationship with China, public policy matters.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andem

Why would you advocate that Canada become involved in the International forum of countries which willingly support China in any way?

They were never a friend of the Western world, nor do they stand for any of the same kind of values..

Du weißt, als Deutsche, Völkermord kann nicht vergessen/bestritten werden, aber du sagst auf indirekter Weise das Gegenteil, daß Kanada det preisen soll.. also die chinesische Regierung soll verhimmelt werden

... Siehste wo ich herkomme?

I think Canada is absolutely in the right in everything it does in not being direct with the Chinese gov't.

Half of Vancouver and 20% of Toronto would be in an uproar if Canada actively promoted the Chinese government.

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Hi, Chris....

go and live there for a year! Then come back and tell us how brutal their present government really is. Oh, and please, take Colpy with you!

Btw...
are you also still mad with Nazi-Germany? What are you doing in their Capital anyway??? Eating Schnitzel and Bratkartoffeln??

Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Pardon me, Chris, I didn't see this post at first. Neither did I know you were referring to this China thread when we communicated earlier. Why not? What is wrong with that?Well, what can I say to that? They are a different people... they are Asians! Their culture, their language is different than ours. Does that mean they are not as human as we are?
I have an article here you should read, Chris. You need to get your head out of the old century and embrace the 21st with open arms and even more open mind!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle3723595.ece
Lieber Christ, bitte, lege mir keine Worte in den Mund! Nichts von dem habe ich gesagt! Du hast so Deine eigene Idee und rennst damit los. Ich halte Dir Deine Jugend zu Gute, Du musst noch etwas reifen.Ja, vom Frisoer!If that is your opinion.... fine, I respect that.Who talks about promoting? I didn't! Why not just be decent and civil with them? Which we were, only Harper seems to have a little tick. He...

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Quote: Originally Posted by dancing-loon

Dealing with China

PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA
Head of State Hu Jintao
Head of government Wen Jiabao
Death penalty retentionist
Population 1,331.4 million
Life expectancy 72.5 years

Growing numbers of human rights activists were imprisoned, put under house arrest or surveillance, or harassed. Repression of minority groups, including Tibetans, Uighurs and Mongolians, continued. Falun Gong practitioners were at particularly high risk of torture and other ill-treatment in detention. Christians were persecuted for practising their religion outside state-sanctioned channels. Despite the reinstatement of Supreme People’s Court review of death penalty cases, the death penalty remained shrouded in secrecy and continued to be used extensively. Torture of detainees and prisoners remained prevalent. Millions of people had no access to justice and were forced to seek redress through an ineffective extra-legal petition system. Women and girls continued to suffer violence and discrimination. Preparations for the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing were marked by repression of human rights activists. Censorship of the internet and other media intensified....

details here:
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STATE OF ISRAEL
Head of State Shimon Peres (replaced Moshe Katzav in June)
Head of government Ehud Olmert
Death penalty abolitionist for ordinary crimes
Population 7 million (Israel); 3.9 million (OPT)
Life expectancy 80.3 years (Israel); 72.9 years (OPT)
Under-5 mortality (m/f) 6/5 per 1,000 (Israel); 23/18 per 1,000 (OPT)
Adult literacy 97.1 per cent (Israel); 92.4 per cent (OPT)
The human rights situation in the Israeli Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) remained dire. Israeli forces killed more than 370 Palestinians, destroyed more than 100 (20,000) Palestinian homes and imposed ever more stringent restrictions on the movement of Palestinians. In June, the Israeli government imposed an unprecedented blockade on the Gaza Strip, virtually imprisoning its entire 1.5 million population, (300 million) subjecting them to collective punishment and causing the gravest humanitarian crisis to date. Some 40 (8000) Palestinians died after being refused passage out of Gaza for urgent medical treatment not available in local hospitals. Most Gazans were left dependent on international aid for survival but UN aid agencies complained that the Israeli blockade made it difficult for them to provide the much needed assistance. In the West Bank, the Israeli authorities continued to expand illegal settlements and build a 700-km fence/wall in violation of international law. Impunity remained the norm for Israeli...

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REPUBLIC OF IRAQ
Head of State Jalal Talabani
Head of government Nuri al-Maliki
Death penalty retentionist
Population 30.3 million (about 1/40 the size of China)
Life expectancy 57.7 years
Under-5 mortality (m/f) 109/102 per 1,000
Adult literacy 74.1 per cent
Thousands of civilians, including children, were killed or injured amid continuing sectarian and other violence. All sides involved in the fighting committed gross human rights violations, some of which amounted to war crimes and crimes against humanity. Many civilians died as a result of bomb attacks by groups opposed to the Iraqi government and the US-led Multinational Force (MNF), while others were victims of sectarian killings by Shi’a and Sunni armed groups. Hundreds of people were abducted, tortured and murdered, with their bodies left in the street or found by their families at morgues. The increasingly sectarian nature of the violence caused hundreds of thousands of people to flee their homes, swelling the growing numbers of Iraqi refugees in Syria, Jordan and other states to 2 million and increasing the number of those internally displaced within Iraq to more than 2 million. This added to the growing humanitarian crisis. Iraqi security forces also committed gross human rights violations, including unlawful killings, rape and other torture, and arbitrary arrests and detentions. The MNF killed civilians and held more than 25,000 detainees...

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Quote: Originally Posted by MikeyDB

Earth as One

Stop confusing the issues here!

RED = BAD

YELLOW = BAD

MOSLEM = BAD

Simple stuff really.......

Quote: Originally Posted by Andem

Nazi Germany doesn't exist anymore, I live in the Federal Republic.

By becoming warm and friendly with the Chinese government, we are essentially giving them our approval, which is why I think Harper shouldn't get too close.

A perfect anology to my comparison with Nazi Germany is the fact that IBM had close relations with the regime and has been condemned ever since.

Why should Canada or any other western country, for that matter, be buddy-buddy with China when everybody knows exactly whats going on

This has nothing to do with culture or the Chinese people.

If you ask me, I've got no problem with a relationship between Canada and the Republic of China (Taipei), a western/human-rights-friendly administration.