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April 30th, 2008, 01:53 PM
Canada’s C-51 Law To Outlaw 60% of Natural Health Products
Don’t Let Big Pharma Do This To Canada
Global Research, April 30, 2008
canadafreepress.com
A new law being pushed in Canada by Big Pharma seeks to outlaw up to 60 percent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children. The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on April 8th, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada’s Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating consequences on the health products industry.
Among the changes proposed by the bill are radical alterations to key terminology, including replacing the word “drug” with “therapeutic product” throughout the Act, thereby giving the Canadian government broad-reaching powers to regulate the sale of all herbs, vitamins, supplements and other items. With this single language change, anything that is “therapeutic” automatically falls under the Food and Drug Act. This would include bottled water, blueberries, dandelion greens and essentially all plant-derived substances.
The Act also changes the definition of the word “sell” to include anyone who gives such therapeutic products to someone else. So a mother giving an herb to her child, under the proposed new language, could be arrested for engaging in the sale of unregulated, unapproved “therapeutic substances.” Learn about more of these freedom-squashing changes to the law at the Stop51.com website: http://www.stopc51.com
New enforcement powers allow Canadian government to seize your home or business
At the same time that C-51 is outlawing herbs, supplements and vitamins, it would grant alarming new “enforcement” powers to the thugs enforcement agents who claim to be “protecting” the public from dangerous unapproved “therapeutic agents” like, say, dandelion greens. As explained on the http://www.Educate-Yourself.orgwebsite ((http://educate-yourself.org/cn/canadian...), the C-51 law would allow the Canadian government’s thugsenforcement agents to:
• Raid your home or business without a warrant
• Seize your bank accounts
• Levy fines up to $5 million and a jail terms up to 2 years for merely selling an herb
• Confiscate your property, then charge you storage fees for the expense involved in storing all the products they stole from you
C-51 would even criminalize the simple drying of herbs in your kitchen to be used in an herbal product, by the way. That would now be categorized as a “controlled activity,” and anyone caught engaging in such “controlled activities” would be arrested, fined and potentially jailed. Other “controlled activities” include labeling bottles, harvesting plants on a farm, collecting herbs from your back yard, or even testing herbal products on yourself! (Yes, virtually every activity involving herbs or supplements would be criminalized...)
There’s more, too. C-51 is the Canadian government’s “final solution” for the health products industry. It’s a desperate effort to destroy this industry that’s threatening the profits and viability of conventional medicine.
Natural medicine works so well—and is becoming so widely used—that both the Canadian and American governments have decided to “nuke” the industries by passing new laws that effectively criminalize anyone selling such products. They simply cannot tolerate allowing consumers to have continued access to natural products. To do so will ultimately spell the destruction of Big Pharma and the outdated, corrupt and criminally-operated pharmaceutical industry that these criminally-operated governments are trying to protect.
Join the rally to protest C-51
On May 9th, 2008, Canadian citizens will be gathering at the Calgary Federal Court to protest C-51 and help protect their access to natural health products. Call 1-888-878-3467 to learn more, or visit the action page of Health Canada Exposed at: www.stopc51.com
Canada’s C-51 Law To Outlaw 60% of Natural Health Products
Don’t Let Big Pharma Do This To Canada
Global Research, April 30, 2008
canadafreepress.com
A new law being pushed in Canada by Big Pharma seeks to outlaw up to 60 percent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children. The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on April 8th, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada’s Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating consequences on the health products industry.
Among the changes proposed by the bill are radical alterations to key terminology, including replacing the word “drug” with “therapeutic product” throughout the Act, thereby giving the Canadian government broad-reaching powers to regulate the sale of all herbs, vitamins, supplements and other items. With this single language change, anything that is “therapeutic” automatically falls under the Food and Drug Act. This would include bottled water, blueberries, dandelion greens and essentially all plant-derived substances.
The Act also changes the definition of the word “sell” to include anyone who gives such therapeutic products to someone else. So a mother giving an herb to her child, under the proposed new language, could be arrested for engaging in the sale of unregulated, unapproved “therapeutic substances.” Learn about more of these freedom-squashing changes to the law at the Stop51.com website: http://www.stopc51.com
New enforcement powers allow Canadian government to seize your home or business
At the same time that C-51 is outlawing herbs, supplements and vitamins, it would grant alarming new “enforcement” powers to the thugs enforcement agents who claim to be “protecting” the public from dangerous unapproved “therapeutic agents” like, say, dandelion greens. As explained on the http://www.Educate-Yourself.orgwebsite ((http://educate-yourself.org/cn/canadian...), the C-51 law would allow the Canadian government’s thugsenforcement agents to:
• Raid your home or business without a warrant
• Seize your bank accounts
• Levy fines up to $5 million and a jail terms up to 2 years for merely selling an herb
• Confiscate your property, then charge you storage fees for the expense involved in storing all the products they stole from you
C-51 would even criminalize the simple drying of herbs in your kitchen to be used in an herbal product, by the way. That would now be categorized as a “controlled activity,” and anyone caught engaging in such “controlled activities” would be arrested, fined and potentially jailed. Other “controlled activities” include labeling bottles, harvesting plants on a farm, collecting herbs from your back yard, or even testing herbal products on yourself! (Yes, virtually every activity involving herbs or supplements would be criminalized...)
There’s more, too. C-51 is the Canadian government’s “final solution” for the health products industry. It’s a desperate effort to destroy this industry that’s threatening the profits and viability of conventional medicine.
Natural medicine works so well—and is becoming so widely used—that both the Canadian and American governments have decided to “nuke” the industries by passing new laws that effectively criminalize anyone selling such products. They simply cannot tolerate allowing consumers to have continued access to natural products. To do so will ultimately spell the destruction of Big Pharma and the outdated, corrupt and criminally-operated pharmaceutical industry that these criminally-operated governments are trying to protect.
Join the rally to protest C-51
On May 9th, 2008, Canadian citizens will be gathering at the Calgary Federal Court to protest C-51 and help protect their access to natural health products. Call 1-888-878-3467 to learn more, or visit the action page of Health Canada Exposed at: www.stopc51.com
Not so newbie now
Posts: 151
Location: 950 Snowupthearse Rd. Canadian Shield Ontario
Location: 950 Snowupthearse Rd. Canadian Shield Ontario
April 30th, 2008, 03:10 PM
"A new law being pushed in Canada by Big Pharma seeks to outlaw up to 60 percent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children. The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on April 8th, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada's Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating consequences on the health products industry.
At the same time that C-51 is outlawing herbs, supplements and vitamins, it would grant alarming new "enforcement" powers to the enforcement agents who claim to be "protecting" the public from dangerous unapproved "therapeutic agents" like, say, dandelion greens. As explained on the www.Educate-Yourself.org website ((http://educate-yourself.org/cn/canadian ...), the C-51 law would allow the Canadian government's enforcement agents to:
• Raid your home or business without a warrant
• Seize your bank accounts
• Levy fines up to $5 million and a jail terms up to 2 years for merely selling an herb
• Confiscate your property, then charge you storage fees for the expense involved in storing all the products they stole from you"
This all sounds a little too weird to be true, but there's going to be a rally in Calgary:
"On May 9th, 2008, Canadian citizens will be gathering at the Calgary Federal Court to protest C-51 and help protect their access to natural health products. Call 1-888-878-3467 to learn more, or visit the action page of Health Canada Exposed at: http://www.stopc51.com/c51/what_you_can_do.asp "
If you're in Calgary and have a video camera, they are looking to pay someone to film the rally:
"NaturalNews is looking to hire someone with a good video camera to film the event. We'll gladly pay you to video tape this and send us the resulting file"
Full story here: http://www.naturalnews.com/023121.html
"A new law being pushed in Canada by Big Pharma seeks to outlaw up to 60 percent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, even while criminalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children. The law, known as C-51, was introduced by the Canadian Minister of Health on April 8th, 2008, and it proposes sweeping changes to Canada's Food and Drugs Act that could have devastating consequences on the health products industry.
At the same time that C-51 is outlawing herbs, supplements and vitamins, it would grant alarming new "enforcement" powers to the enforcement agents who claim to be "protecting" the public from dangerous unapproved "therapeutic agents" like, say, dandelion greens. As explained on the www.Educate-Yourself.org website ((http://educate-yourself.org/cn/canadian ...), the C-51 law would allow the Canadian government's enforcement agents to:
• Raid your home or business without a warrant
• Seize your bank accounts
• Levy fines up to $5 million and a jail terms up to 2 years for merely selling an herb
• Confiscate your property, then charge you storage fees for the expense involved in storing all the products they stole from you"
This all sounds a little too weird to be true, but there's going to be a rally in Calgary:
"On May 9th, 2008, Canadian citizens will be gathering at the Calgary Federal Court to protest C-51 and help protect their access to natural health products. Call 1-888-878-3467 to learn more, or visit the action page of Health Canada Exposed at: http://www.stopc51.com/c51/what_you_can_do.asp "
If you're in Calgary and have a video camera, they are looking to pay someone to film the rally:
"NaturalNews is looking to hire someone with a good video camera to film the event. We'll gladly pay you to video tape this and send us the resulting file"
Full story here: http://www.naturalnews.com/023121.html
Super Genius
Posts: 1,110
Location: Canada
Location: Canada
May 1st, 2008, 08:29 PM
If big pharma says this is what we want then it dont matter what party is in power, what big pharma wants, big pharma gets.
This happened in europe a while back.
Quoting s_lone
You're assuming that one party is different form the other.....they are, but in name only.
WTF...?
I hope the opposition sends this bill down the drain... it sounds pretty fishy to me.
I hope the opposition sends this bill down the drain... it sounds pretty fishy to me.
If big pharma says this is what we want then it dont matter what party is in power, what big pharma wants, big pharma gets.
This happened in europe a while back.
Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins and Herbs
'The Codex Alimentarius is a threat to the freedom of people to choose natural healing and alternative medicine and nutrition. Ratified by ... all » the World Health Organization, and going into Law in the United States in 2009, the threat to health freedom has never been greater.
This is the first part of a series of talks by Dr. Rima Laibow MD, available on DVD from the Natural Solutions Foundation, an non-profit organization dedicated to educating people about how to stop Codex Alimentarius from taking away our right to freely choose nutritional health.'
Some important information and background here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34&q=nutricide
http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/nocodexgenocide.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...34&q=nutricide
http://www.nocodexgenocide.com/nocodexgenocide.html
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,489
May 1st, 2008, 08:40 PM
The best bet would be a challenge to human rights saying it goes against religious practices.
The industry does need regulating though, but this is overkill. Herbs a freaking dangerous to buy off the shelf, you never know if your getting what you think you are, or something that looks similar, dried with alcohol (for speed), improperly stored etc in the drive for a quick buck.
If you think there aren't just as many evil heartless corporations willing to harm people for a dollar in natural medicine, your quite naive. I know people who sold faulty herbal supplements for a quick buck, they are the reason my mother grows her own.
The best bet would be a challenge to human rights saying it goes against religious practices.
The industry does need regulating though, but this is overkill. Herbs a freaking dangerous to buy off the shelf, you never know if your getting what you think you are, or something that looks similar, dried with alcohol (for speed), improperly stored etc in the drive for a quick buck.
If you think there aren't just as many evil heartless corporations willing to harm people for a dollar in natural medicine, your quite naive. I know people who sold faulty herbal supplements for a quick buck, they are the reason my mother grows her own.
Genius
Posts: 785
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 1st, 2008, 08:51 PM
I guess people will just have to start using the word 'don't' within a few words of the 'useful' word. The kids taught me that a long time ago, 'don't do this' automatically means that something means 'that thing should be done'.
Whatever happened happened to that little thing called a 'petition'. That little document introduced by just a few legal voters that made it mandatory for any proposed bill to be taken right to the all the voters before it could be passed. That was put in place to stop Govt abuses concerning legislation that was not popular with the majority of the voters.
I guess people will just have to start using the word 'don't' within a few words of the 'useful' word. The kids taught me that a long time ago, 'don't do this' automatically means that something means 'that thing should be done'.
Whatever happened happened to that little thing called a 'petition'. That little document introduced by just a few legal voters that made it mandatory for any proposed bill to be taken right to the all the voters before it could be passed. That was put in place to stop Govt abuses concerning legislation that was not popular with the majority of the voters.
Genius
Posts: 785
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 1st, 2008, 08:57 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
That is why you look only for the 'knowledge', then you hunt for the ingredient via other means, like growing or making your own, like you can with colloidal silver. If you are too lazy to do that, well tisk, tisk, see you in the happy hunting ground.
I know people who sold faulty herbal supplements for a quick buck, they are the reason my mother grows her own.
Genius
Posts: 785
Location: Red Deer AB
Location: Red Deer AB
May 2nd, 2008, 11:06 AM
Big Pharma isn't just concerned about their bottom line (profits for their share-holders), it is also about control of the only available 'method of treatment'. Since I have never heard of 'phage' on this site I have to assume nobody has a clue as to what it is and how its implementation is a threat to big Pharma. You certainly won't get any info on it from any of their sites, nor will you see them actually using this method to fight any parasite, they would rather you die that let you find out every single parasite that exists and ever will exist had a natural enemy that will stop it cold. The only 'hard part' is having a database that shows the relationship between parasite and it's killer.
Since sheeple don't ever revolt against anything this is an example that predates the current topic but it is the very same method that is used to deny a 'easy solution' to some very complex conditions.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...BoyErgPZ5rS2AQ
Big Pharma isn't just concerned about their bottom line (profits for their share-holders), it is also about control of the only available 'method of treatment'. Since I have never heard of 'phage' on this site I have to assume nobody has a clue as to what it is and how its implementation is a threat to big Pharma. You certainly won't get any info on it from any of their sites, nor will you see them actually using this method to fight any parasite, they would rather you die that let you find out every single parasite that exists and ever will exist had a natural enemy that will stop it cold. The only 'hard part' is having a database that shows the relationship between parasite and it's killer.
Since sheeple don't ever revolt against anything this is an example that predates the current topic but it is the very same method that is used to deny a 'easy solution' to some very complex conditions.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...BoyErgPZ5rS2AQ
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,489
May 2nd, 2008, 11:11 AM
You know you can do that with "tradtional" pharmaceutical products too eh.
Quoting MHz
That is why you look only for the 'knowledge', then you hunt for the ingredient via other means, like growing or making your own, like you can with colloidal silver. If you are too lazy to do that, well tisk, tisk, see you in the happy hunting ground.
You know you can do that with "tradtional" pharmaceutical products too eh.
Knows Too Much
Posts: 2,489
May 2nd, 2008, 11:16 AM
Why don't people who make claims about natural products have to test their claims? Its not like herbal supplements aren't billion dollar industries designed to take the money of people in need.
Just because something is natural doesn't mean its good for you, or does what you say it does.
Which is the problem, if you are selling a herb and people can do what they wish with it, thats fine.
But the big herbal companies don't do that, they sell "This herb is all natural and will boost your immune system a cure lung problems".
Why? Because if you say that, people may believe you, and then give you money.
Herbs are big money, and its not about helping people anymore than Pharmaceutical companies are about helping people.
Don't forget at one point Pharmaceutical companies WERE about helping people, about making medicines to cure things like Polio and reduce suffering with things like insulin. Built largely on the work of Altruistic doctors and scientists, often for free.
Then it became big money. Well congratulations, herbal healing is big money now too. And its time they either stopped making claims all togethor, or validated those claims like everyone else.
There ARE people who trust herbal vendors, and die from it.
Quoting Lester
It's more than likely that big Pharma sees it as a threat to their profits-"you know Gee we have to go through years and years of testing and mother nature doesn't" wah wah
Why don't people who make claims about natural products have to test their claims? Its not like herbal supplements aren't billion dollar industries designed to take the money of people in need.
Just because something is natural doesn't mean its good for you, or does what you say it does.
Which is the problem, if you are selling a herb and people can do what they wish with it, thats fine.
But the big herbal companies don't do that, they sell "This herb is all natural and will boost your immune system a cure lung problems".
Why? Because if you say that, people may believe you, and then give you money.
Herbs are big money, and its not about helping people anymore than Pharmaceutical companies are about helping people.
Don't forget at one point Pharmaceutical companies WERE about helping people, about making medicines to cure things like Polio and reduce suffering with things like insulin. Built largely on the work of Altruistic doctors and scientists, often for free.
Then it became big money. Well congratulations, herbal healing is big money now too. And its time they either stopped making claims all togethor, or validated those claims like everyone else.
There ARE people who trust herbal vendors, and die from it.
May 2nd, 2008, 11:24 AM
http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/trypt.html This was sold as a natural food supplement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP This is available right now, and can have many of the exact same side effects as pharmaceutical anti-depressants, without anyone watching or paying attention to the 'patient' because it's self prescribed and the dosage is not chosen specifically for that person. It's a 'supplement' but it's dangerous, and it ticks me off that these companies can market it without any controls.
http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/trypt.html This was sold as a natural food supplement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HTP This is available right now, and can have many of the exact same side effects as pharmaceutical anti-depressants, without anyone watching or paying attention to the 'patient' because it's self prescribed and the dosage is not chosen specifically for that person. It's a 'supplement' but it's dangerous, and it ticks me off that these companies can market it without any controls.
