Super Genius
Posts: 1,061 
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 25th, 2008, 06:38 PM
Now I am pointing it out to you.
Quoting karrie
Oppressed people don't usually know they're oppressed. The fact that you have family there is irrelevant in negating my experience but my experience still makes sense in the context of your opinion since you have an emotional investment in your community, where I do not. All I have is my experience with how my native friend was treated and as I said, she wasn't the first to notice the prejudice - that is typical of oppressed people. So while my friend would have said everything is fine, we her three white friends, would have said they were not. Since apparently we were more able to know what being treated normally was like then she was; we noticed the prejudice first and pointed it out to her.
How many native relatives do you have living in Alberta? When your number tops 15, then you can talk to me about who's coming from a place of opinion, and who's coming from a place of experience.
Now I am pointing it out to you.
April 25th, 2008, 06:39 PM
Quoting Scott Free
Now I am pointing it out to you.
Bigotry and prejudice... yes, you've done a fine job of pointing out its existence, and most importantly, illustrating its formation. It was a neat lesson. Thanks Scott.
Now I am pointing it out to you.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,061
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 25th, 2008, 06:45 PM
So if I'm so wrong what would you recommend I do about my experience?
Am I to pretend I didn't see the things I saw in Alberta? Or pretend that it wasn't almost everyone I encountered that exhibited a dislike for my native friend?
What point is it that you think I'm missing?
Quoting karrie
This strikes me as sarcastic.
Bigotry and prejudice... yes, you've done a fine job of pointing out its existence, and most importantly, illustrating its formation. It was a neat lesson. Thanks Scott.
So if I'm so wrong what would you recommend I do about my experience?
Am I to pretend I didn't see the things I saw in Alberta? Or pretend that it wasn't almost everyone I encountered that exhibited a dislike for my native friend?
What point is it that you think I'm missing?
Genius
Posts: 768 
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 25th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Indigenous would infer that natives evolved here, they did not. There are piss tanks and dope addicts from all races and all walks of life, the last Job I was on a Native was in charge (Superintendent because he is the sharpest knife in the drawer) he went to powwows every weekend, he has a great house and family and lives on the reserve in cold lake. I also have two greatnephews and one greatneice that are half and half they are bright and articulate and I love them dearly,drunken indian is a stereotype. I have never been a racist and never will be, different cultures fascinate me to no end. The residential schools were from an antiquated era that is far behind us. On the otherhand don't natives already get counselling for drug abuse? free education? housing?they get lots of perks the rest of us don't. So on that point I agree with Albertabound they should not receive any counselling.
Indigenous would infer that natives evolved here, they did not. There are piss tanks and dope addicts from all races and all walks of life, the last Job I was on a Native was in charge (Superintendent because he is the sharpest knife in the drawer) he went to powwows every weekend, he has a great house and family and lives on the reserve in cold lake. I also have two greatnephews and one greatneice that are half and half they are bright and articulate and I love them dearly,drunken indian is a stereotype. I have never been a racist and never will be, different cultures fascinate me to no end. The residential schools were from an antiquated era that is far behind us. On the otherhand don't natives already get counselling for drug abuse? free education? housing?they get lots of perks the rest of us don't. So on that point I agree with Albertabound they should not receive any counselling.
April 25th, 2008, 06:51 PM
That, and the fact that you probably haven't seen 'the majority' of Alberta. You've seen a handful of the people who populate Alberta. But, your handful of bad apples become your defining factor. They become 'them' when you discuss Albertans in general, just as the OP used a broadstroke to discuss all those who received settlements in terms of those who've drank themselves to death or done nothing with their money.
Quoting Scott Free
The point that I think you're missing? I went over that way back... the issue of those who treat us poorly standing out in our minds, while those who don't fade away and don't register. So if I walked past 60 people in a day, and 3 treated me badly, it might seem like everyone I saw that day treated me badly. "Those____ are all a rude bunch of ____."
This strikes me as sarcastic.
So if I'm so wrong what would you recommend I do about my experience?
Am I to pretend I didn't see the things I saw in Alberta? Or pretend that it wasn't almost everyone I encountered that exhibited a dislike for my native friend?
What point is it that you think I'm missing?
So if I'm so wrong what would you recommend I do about my experience?
Am I to pretend I didn't see the things I saw in Alberta? Or pretend that it wasn't almost everyone I encountered that exhibited a dislike for my native friend?
What point is it that you think I'm missing?
That, and the fact that you probably haven't seen 'the majority' of Alberta. You've seen a handful of the people who populate Alberta. But, your handful of bad apples become your defining factor. They become 'them' when you discuss Albertans in general, just as the OP used a broadstroke to discuss all those who received settlements in terms of those who've drank themselves to death or done nothing with their money.
April 25th, 2008, 06:55 PM
Quoting Lester
What strikes me from seeing all the programs in place is that the only true solution would be to force people to attend the existing ones. And frankly, that's not a solution at all. That's just government nannying, stripping people of their rights. I don't know where in the bouts of alcoholism and drug abuse I've seen, someone could draw that line for someone else and essentially say 'we're locking you up in a program now.'
I have never been a racist and never will be, different cultures fascinate me to no end. The residential schools were from an antiquated era that is far behind us. On the otherhand don't natives already get counselling for drug abuse? free education? housing?they get lots of perks the rest of us don't. So on that point I agree with Albertabound they should not receive any counselling.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,678
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
April 25th, 2008, 07:07 PM
The comment in red.....I'll educate you there:
The comment in blue....... educate yourself before you start spewing anymore bullshyte.
Quoting Lester
Indigenous would infer that natives evolved here, they did not. There are piss tanks and dope addicts from all races and all walks of life, the last Job I was on a Native was in charge (Superintendent because he is the sharpest knife in the drawer) he went to powwows every weekend, he has a great house and family and lives on the reserve in cold lake. I also have two greatnephews and one greatneice that are half and half they are bright and articulate and I love them dearly,drunken indian is a stereotype. I have never been a racist and never will be, different cultures fascinate me to no end. The residential schools were from an antiquated era that is far behind us. On the otherhand don't natives already get counselling for drug abuse? free education? housing?they get lots of perks the rest of us don't. So on that point I agree with Albertabound they should not receive any counselling.
The comment in red.....I'll educate you there:
Quote:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/ab...alschools.html Eleven hundred students initially attended 69 schools across the country. In 1931, at the peak of the residential school system, there were about 80 schools operating in Canada. They were in every territory and province except Newfoundland, Prince Edward Island and New Brunswick. There were a total of about 130 schools from the earliest in the 19th century to the last, which closed in 1996.
The comment in blue....... educate yourself before you start spewing anymore bullshyte.
Genius
Posts: 768
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 25th, 2008, 07:15 PM
As far as Natives blowing all their dough on drugs and booze, I know a few whites that have done the same thing (one guy I knew blew eighty grand on dope in six months)They shouldn't have given people that kind of money if they don't know how to handle it, maybe financial counselling would have been a better idea, help them start a business maybe- but it is about free will and they were entitled to the money, so who are we to tell them how to spend it. I can't think of any solution that would be acceptable or appropriate.
As far as Natives blowing all their dough on drugs and booze, I know a few whites that have done the same thing (one guy I knew blew eighty grand on dope in six months)They shouldn't have given people that kind of money if they don't know how to handle it, maybe financial counselling would have been a better idea, help them start a business maybe- but it is about free will and they were entitled to the money, so who are we to tell them how to spend it. I can't think of any solution that would be acceptable or appropriate.
Genius
Posts: 768
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 25th, 2008, 07:21 PM
Quoting gerryh
What, you googled it ten minutes ago and now your an expert. anyway it was a question not a statement.
The comment in red.....I'll educate you there:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/ab...alschools.html
The comment in blue....... educate yourself before you start spewing anymore bullshyte.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/ab...alschools.html
The comment in blue....... educate yourself before you start spewing anymore bullshyte.
Mighty Intellect
Posts: 1,678
Location: Alberta, Canada
Location: Alberta, Canada
April 25th, 2008, 07:28 PM
Quoting Lester
Considering my heritage and my wifes heritage..... I knew about res schools a LONG time ago.... and your comment concerning the school's themselves was not a question, it was a statement. Your other comments are typical uneducated, bigoted BS.
What, you googled it ten minutes ago and now your an expert. anyway it was a question not a statement.
Genius
Posts: 768
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 25th, 2008, 07:37 PM
That is not the question in Blue you will notice there are question marks, does that not denote a question? as far as residential schools go I will apologize for that as I thought such a thing would have been gone in the fifties. There is native blood in my family as well gerry and I take offence at being called a bigot.
That is not the question in Blue you will notice there are question marks, does that not denote a question? as far as residential schools go I will apologize for that as I thought such a thing would have been gone in the fifties. There is native blood in my family as well gerry and I take offence at being called a bigot.
April 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM
Quoting Lester
Race issues are just one of those subjects where it's almost impossible to talk, from either side, without setting people's teeth on edge in some way shape or form.
That is not the question in Blue you will notice there are question marks, does that not denote a question? as far as residential schools go I will apologize for that as I thought such a thing would have been gone in the fifties. There is native blood in my family as well gerry and I take offence at being called a bigot.
Genius
Posts: 768
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
Location: Ardrossan, Alberta
April 25th, 2008, 07:48 PM
race means nothing to me, it's the character of people that's important. If someone wants to take cheap shots because they're a hothead, fine go ahead.
Quoting karrie
I'm not here for a fight Karrie, I'm here to discuss and understand.
Race issues are just one of those subjects where it's almost impossible to talk, from either side, without setting people's teeth on edge in some way shape or form.
race means nothing to me, it's the character of people that's important. If someone wants to take cheap shots because they're a hothead, fine go ahead.
Knows No Bounds
Posts: 2,837
April 25th, 2008, 10:46 PM
I fixed your post for you, it had some typos that were making your message unclear.
Quoting Scott Free
Oppressed people don't usually know they're oppressed. The fact that you have family there is irrelevant in negating my OPINION but my OPINION still makes sense in the context of your EXPERIENCE since you have an emotional investment in your community, where I do not, BUT DO HAVE AN EMOTIONAL INVESTMENT IN MY FRIEND. All I have is my OPINION with how my native friend was treated and as I said, she wasn't the first to notice the prejudice - that is typical of oppressed people. So while my friend would have said everything is fine, we her three white friends, would have said they were not. Since apparently we were more able to know what being treated normally was like then she was; we noticed the prejudice first and pointed it out to her.
Now I am pointing it out to you.
Now I am pointing it out to you.
I fixed your post for you, it had some typos that were making your message unclear.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,061
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 25th, 2008, 11:17 PM
I can not negate my experience with your experience nor will I prefer yours to mine. I am also suspicious because not only does your position contradict my own but it also sounds like some multicultural, Oprah feel good, PC propaganda where I am to forget my experience and take on a new attitude based on wish thinking: "I wished everyone had been nice to my native friend in Alberta so I will ignore that most were not and say that they were bad apples and that I only, against all odds, ran into bad apples but that counter to my experience, most if not all Albertans are really very enlightened people with not a trace of racism in them (counter to scientific findings)" completely outrageous and total BS!
What's more you have no argument that would persuade me to interpret my experience differently than I have! Your only argument is about my assumptions and methods of gaining my opinion, where by the way, you are in error.
I will also point out that you fingered me as a "bad apple" because I conveyed my experience in Alberta and my opinion of the majority of people there. So you are condemning me the very same way you accuse me of condemning people in Alberta! If the people in Alberta don't want to be accused of being racist f**ks then I would suggest they stop acting like racist f**ks. You can accuse me of generalizing about Albertans all you want because it is true! Based on my experience Albertans by and large are racist bigots. I think it is probably due to their culture but I don't know.
Really karrie, about all you can convince me off is that some Albertans aren't racist f**ks (which I know anyway); that some are not bad apples (which I know anyway) or that you have some kind of handicap where you can't recognize hyperbole and it makes you fly off the handle.
Quoting karrie
I disagree. My experience was based on those people I interacted with not the people I passed on the street.
The point that I think you're missing? I went over that way back... the issue of those who treat us poorly standing out in our minds, while those who don't fade away and don't register. So if I walked past 60 people in a day, and 3 treated me badly, it might seem like everyone I saw that day treated me badly. "Those____ are all a rude bunch of ____."
That, and the fact that you probably haven't seen 'the majority' of Alberta. You've seen a handful of the people who populate Alberta. But, your handful of bad apples become your defining factor. They become 'them' when you discuss Albertans in general, just as the OP used a broadstroke to discuss all those who received settlements in terms of those who've drank themselves to death or done nothing with their money.
That, and the fact that you probably haven't seen 'the majority' of Alberta. You've seen a handful of the people who populate Alberta. But, your handful of bad apples become your defining factor. They become 'them' when you discuss Albertans in general, just as the OP used a broadstroke to discuss all those who received settlements in terms of those who've drank themselves to death or done nothing with their money.
I can not negate my experience with your experience nor will I prefer yours to mine. I am also suspicious because not only does your position contradict my own but it also sounds like some multicultural, Oprah feel good, PC propaganda where I am to forget my experience and take on a new attitude based on wish thinking: "I wished everyone had been nice to my native friend in Alberta so I will ignore that most were not and say that they were bad apples and that I only, against all odds, ran into bad apples but that counter to my experience, most if not all Albertans are really very enlightened people with not a trace of racism in them (counter to scientific findings)" completely outrageous and total BS!
What's more you have no argument that would persuade me to interpret my experience differently than I have! Your only argument is about my assumptions and methods of gaining my opinion, where by the way, you are in error.
I will also point out that you fingered me as a "bad apple" because I conveyed my experience in Alberta and my opinion of the majority of people there. So you are condemning me the very same way you accuse me of condemning people in Alberta! If the people in Alberta don't want to be accused of being racist f**ks then I would suggest they stop acting like racist f**ks. You can accuse me of generalizing about Albertans all you want because it is true! Based on my experience Albertans by and large are racist bigots. I think it is probably due to their culture but I don't know.
Really karrie, about all you can convince me off is that some Albertans aren't racist f**ks (which I know anyway); that some are not bad apples (which I know anyway) or that you have some kind of handicap where you can't recognize hyperbole and it makes you fly off the handle.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,061
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 25th, 2008, 11:21 PM
Quoting Zzarchov
Your too dumb for this thread but thanks for playing anyway.
I fixed your post for you, it had some typos that were making your message unclear.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,061
Location: BC
Location: BC
April 25th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Most people in BC are definitely racist.
Quoting gerryh
It can be very bad here too, I don't dispute that.
Personally...I found more racists and bigots in BC than I have in Alberta.
Most people in BC are definitely racist.
