Clever Clogs
Posts: 519 
March 13th, 2008, 03:15 PM
Once again our Prime Minister is showing just how unsuited he is to running a real democracy. The opposition has raised justified concerns over a very serious issue of the conservatives attempting to buy the vote of a terminally ill Chuck Cadman and Harpers response has been to use the courts to attack them.
Just as with Mulroney misusing the courts to obtain $2.1 million form the taxpayers under false pretexts, Harper is misusing the legal system to further his own selfish interests and is suing the Liberals for $2.5 million.
Shame on you Mr. Harper, stop acting like a fascist and let our Parliment work the way it's supposed to.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...dman-suit.html
Once again our Prime Minister is showing just how unsuited he is to running a real democracy. The opposition has raised justified concerns over a very serious issue of the conservatives attempting to buy the vote of a terminally ill Chuck Cadman and Harpers response has been to use the courts to attack them.
Just as with Mulroney misusing the courts to obtain $2.1 million form the taxpayers under false pretexts, Harper is misusing the legal system to further his own selfish interests and is suing the Liberals for $2.5 million.
Shame on you Mr. Harper, stop acting like a fascist and let our Parliment work the way it's supposed to.
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...dman-suit.html
Clever Clogs
Posts: 519
March 13th, 2008, 03:39 PM
There's no doubt in my mind that Harper knew about the true nature of the offer and it had nothing to do with offering a dying man a chance to run as a conservative in the next election if he cast the deciding vote to bring a government down. Cadman was already doing a great job representing his constituents and the only real questions he would have had is what was going to happen to his family after his passing. The conservatives tried to play on this concern and should take responsibility instead of acting once again as if they are above questioning.
Guess I'm going to get sued now too, what a joke we have for a government.
Quoting lone wolf
big surprise, we are
Who do you suppose is going to pick up the tab for Harper's lawyer?
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Harper doesn't have a leg to stand on, his version of facts are ridiculous. Cadman was in the terminal stages of cancer and had made his feelings about the direction the conservative party was going by running as an independent after the party stabbed him in the back.
The Conservatives maintain that two representatives from their party met with Cadman ahead of the vote, but he said they only offered him the party's nomination to run for re-election in his Surrey, B.C., riding, and funds for the campaign.
There's no doubt in my mind that Harper knew about the true nature of the offer and it had nothing to do with offering a dying man a chance to run as a conservative in the next election if he cast the deciding vote to bring a government down. Cadman was already doing a great job representing his constituents and the only real questions he would have had is what was going to happen to his family after his passing. The conservatives tried to play on this concern and should take responsibility instead of acting once again as if they are above questioning.
Guess I'm going to get sued now too, what a joke we have for a government.
March 13th, 2008, 03:40 PM
I have to admit to not paying the attention I should be pertaining to this, but, two things strike me right off the get go.
Declaring something on your website as truth during an investigation, IS libel if it isn't proven to have happened, and the Liberals should know that.
I can't say I like Harper, but, it's well within his rights to sue for for libel if it's occurred.
I have to admit to not paying the attention I should be pertaining to this, but, two things strike me right off the get go.
Declaring something on your website as truth during an investigation, IS libel if it isn't proven to have happened, and the Liberals should know that.
I can't say I like Harper, but, it's well within his rights to sue for for libel if it's occurred.
Genius
Posts: 995
March 13th, 2008, 04:26 PM
Quoting Tonington
Don't hold your breath.
If the Liberals lose, they will pay the legal fees.
March 13th, 2008, 04:36 PM
Well I could be wrong, but my understanding is that in most cases, when you win your lawsuit, the lawyers take their cut from the winnings.
When I won my small claims case, all the costs associated with going to court were awarded as well. Of course, I can't get blood from a turnip, at least not yet...
This isn't a case of Parliamentary privilege, if it were, Harper wouldn't be able to sue in the first place.
Well I could be wrong, but my understanding is that in most cases, when you win your lawsuit, the lawyers take their cut from the winnings.
When I won my small claims case, all the costs associated with going to court were awarded as well. Of course, I can't get blood from a turnip, at least not yet...
This isn't a case of Parliamentary privilege, if it were, Harper wouldn't be able to sue in the first place.
Clever Clogs
Posts: 519
March 13th, 2008, 10:45 PM
Harper didn't keep his word, he threatened to name Dion, Ignatief and others in the suit but wussed out. As it stands the suit only names the Liberal Party and I bet once the heat of the Cadman bribery scandal has cooled he'll drop it. This is just more dirty tricks from a conservative party that has a very long and ugly past in this regard. Mulroney used the same tactic to cheat Canadians out of $2.1 million.
Mulroney will probably walk away from his wrong doings and I bet Harper will get away with his involvement in trying to bribe a dying MP.
Harper didn't keep his word, he threatened to name Dion, Ignatief and others in the suit but wussed out. As it stands the suit only names the Liberal Party and I bet once the heat of the Cadman bribery scandal has cooled he'll drop it. This is just more dirty tricks from a conservative party that has a very long and ugly past in this regard. Mulroney used the same tactic to cheat Canadians out of $2.1 million.
Mulroney will probably walk away from his wrong doings and I bet Harper will get away with his involvement in trying to bribe a dying MP.
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Location: Saint John, N.B.
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March 13th, 2008, 11:11 PM
Something here simply does not add up.
I was impressed when Hockey Boy actually had the cojones to repeat his accusations outside the house.........
I am NOT impressed by people that use the courts to settle arguments.
BUT, all that aside, the accusations simply don't make any sense..........
Quoting Kreskin
Exactly.
Bribe a dying man with a life insurance policy? It's preposterous to contend Cadman was offered a life insurance policy because it would be impossible to underwrite. Why would they offer something that doesn't and can't exist?
Something here simply does not add up.
I was impressed when Hockey Boy actually had the cojones to repeat his accusations outside the house.........
I am NOT impressed by people that use the courts to settle arguments.
BUT, all that aside, the accusations simply don't make any sense..........
Clever Clogs
Posts: 519
March 14th, 2008, 10:30 AM
This suit shows just how unbalanced our political world has become in Canada. Millions of dollars were spent by the conservatives to run a nationwide media campaign to smear the character of Stephane Dion. It was especially intense in Quebec and had a significant effect on Liberal support in that province.
Now the Liberals put one item about the PMs involvement in the Cadman bribery scandal on their WEBSITE- how many people say it anyway- and the PRIME MINISTER resorts to unprecedented legal action to stop an opposition. Harper says the Liberals have attacked his character, but their actions are a pale imitation to the slick and expensive character assassination that was carried out on Dion with the intention of robbing Canadians of any effective opposition. It was merely one aspect of an overall campaign. People complain about Dions performance but he's been operating with both arms tied behind his back. Now that Harper has had some of the same negative media attention turned his way he takes the immediate step of thinking first of his priorities and once again sacrificies the needs of our democratic system.
Canadians have a very serious choice in the next election, we can take the cheap, easy path offered by the conservative party that leds down a slippery slope into a modern fascist state, or remember just what this country is about and reject the desires of a few to rule the many.
This suit shows just how unbalanced our political world has become in Canada. Millions of dollars were spent by the conservatives to run a nationwide media campaign to smear the character of Stephane Dion. It was especially intense in Quebec and had a significant effect on Liberal support in that province.
Now the Liberals put one item about the PMs involvement in the Cadman bribery scandal on their WEBSITE- how many people say it anyway- and the PRIME MINISTER resorts to unprecedented legal action to stop an opposition. Harper says the Liberals have attacked his character, but their actions are a pale imitation to the slick and expensive character assassination that was carried out on Dion with the intention of robbing Canadians of any effective opposition. It was merely one aspect of an overall campaign. People complain about Dions performance but he's been operating with both arms tied behind his back. Now that Harper has had some of the same negative media attention turned his way he takes the immediate step of thinking first of his priorities and once again sacrificies the needs of our democratic system.
Canadians have a very serious choice in the next election, we can take the cheap, easy path offered by the conservative party that leds down a slippery slope into a modern fascist state, or remember just what this country is about and reject the desires of a few to rule the many.
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Location: In the bush somewhere near Sudbury
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March 14th, 2008, 11:39 AM
Craig Oliver reported on CTV news: "In Canadian politics, libel suits are often used to intimidate the opposition." Unless I miss my guess, isn't tying up the Courts with vexatious litigation a waste of the Court's valuable time? No wonder there's no justice in this freakin' country. We have too many drama queens hogging the floor.
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Craig Oliver reported on CTV news: "In Canadian politics, libel suits are often used to intimidate the opposition." Unless I miss my guess, isn't tying up the Courts with vexatious litigation a waste of the Court's valuable time? No wonder there's no justice in this freakin' country. We have too many drama queens hogging the floor.
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March 14th, 2008, 12:37 PM
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Quoting Kreskin
If he's seriously going to Court, he should be shutting his big mouth and not telling the world what he should be saying before a judge. Edited tapes? Does he (or Dion) not realize radio stations have the real thing?
The Liberals are making a serious allegation. He's responding in a serious way. Let them play it out to see where it goes.
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March 14th, 2008, 12:53 PM
Additionally by filing a lawsuit, Mr. Harper can refuse to answer any questions by stating that it is before the courts.
Quoting Kreskin
Any insurance company will underwrite the policy IF they are paid for it. The premium would be in excess of the million dollars and would then be paid out by someone other than the Conservative Party.
Bribe a dying man with a life insurance policy? It's preposterous to contend Cadman was offered a life insurance policy because it would be impossible to underwrite. Why would they offer something that doesn't and can't exist?
Additionally by filing a lawsuit, Mr. Harper can refuse to answer any questions by stating that it is before the courts.
